I stopped reading after you said Jokic was elite on defense. You are an embarrassment and your arguments are an embarrassment as well.Originally Posted by stevenash
Data proves otherwise.
Data proves Jokic is elite on defense.
You have not disproved any of this.
Now focus Thom.
Disprove this.
You haven't yet.
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
More efficient?
Really.
Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
ISAAH HARTENSTEIN
Question?
How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?
Answer,
When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.
Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times.
The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM
That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
That wasn't a MVP type pass.
MVP's don't choke like that.
Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
Not very effecient.
Know what's effecient?
Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
That's a 12:0 ratio
That's how math works.
!2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.
There's a word that describes that performance.
FLAWLESS
(Perfect comes to mind too)
But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.
Steals?
That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
That's right? Zero.
How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.
OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.
Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
I just did.
What can you counter with?
That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
That's what you said the other day.
That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.
What can you counter me with?
That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
Oh wait...
This is why I don't debate you anymore.
You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.
You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.
Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
My opinions are backed with facts.
Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
That's one of my problems with you.
Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
There's a word for that, it's called class.
When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.
Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
Not you, not me, the NBA
Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
That's why he's the MVP favorite.
Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.
Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.
Rk Player Tm Opp MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS +/- GmSc 1 Nikola Jokić DEN MEM L 40:11:00 11 16 0.688 2 4 0.5 2 3 0.667 3 8 11 12 2 1 0 3 26 0 33.2 2 James Harden BRK @ SAS W 37:08:00 13 24 0.542 4 8 0.5 7 7 1 1 9 10 11 0 1 3 3 37 18 33 3 Joel Embiid PHI LAC L 36:32:00 15 25 0.6 3 3 1 7 10 0.7 5 8 13 6 0 1 5 4 40 -6 31.5 4 DeMar DeRozan CHI @ MIL L 38:27:00 9 18 0.5 0 3 0 17 18 0.944 1 5 6 3 0 0 1 0 35 1 28.9 5 Ja Morant MEM @ DEN W 37:26:00 15 26 0.577 2 6 0.333 6 8 0.75 3 3 6 6 2 0 6 1 38 -3 27.8 6 Jusuf Nurkić POR @ BOS W 37:51:00 9 16 0.563 1 1 1 10 13 0.769 6 11 17 6 1 1 5 4 29 20 27 7 Dejounte Murray SAS BRK L 37:11:00 8 20 0.4 1 3 0.333 8 8 1 4 8 12 10 1 0 1 3 25 -15 25.2 8 Rudy Gobert UTA DET W 32:18:00 8 11 0.727 0 0 8 11 0.727 4 10 14 1 0 4 2 4 24 -5 24 9 Fred VanVleet TOR @ WAS W 39:01:00 6 17 0.353 4 11 0.364 5 5 1 1 0 1 12 2 2 1 1 21 8 22.6 10 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC @ CHO L 33:14:00 10 23 0.435 1 3 0.333 8 9 0.889 2 3 5 6 1 1 1 3 29 -10 22.5
Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
I won't accept, don't do business with you.
Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.
Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.
Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
Intelligent facts that you can back up.
Can you do that?
Shut up. You are unintelligent.
Jokic can't even cover guards, Embiid is elite defensively.
