Russia is controlling the entire Ukrainian region in Crimea without firing a single shot and that's making Russia look bad?Originally Posted by The Kraken
Obama easily winning
Making Putin look real bad
He knew putin wouldn't fire a shot. Now the world is against Putin. He's even being pressured by ruskies to get out of Crimea.
Putin
All while your president is wasting another 1 billion of your tax money to help Ukraine.
Thanks for the laugh Kraken!
Last edited by Russian Rocket; 03-05-14 at 10:58 AM.
Russian Rocket is an ambassador for the whole world he is well traveled don't doubt him.
Obama moron for giving money to anyone what an idiot
Russia is losing the PR battle. Now aid is flowing into Ukraine, something like a Billion from the U.S. And 15 billion from Europe. This will only strengthen the pro-west ukranian's.
Russia is controlling Crimea today but you have to see past your nose Rocket, the west is winning this battle.
do you think Russia ever worried about winning a PR war? Kraken, you've been watching too much of the American TV. The entire world doesn't live by the same rules or principals as US.Russia is losing the PR battle. Now aid is flowing into Ukraine, something like a Billion from the U.S. And 15 billion from Europe. This will only strengthen the pro-west ukranian's.
Russia is controlling Crimea today but you have to see past your nose Rocket, the west is winning this battle.
We're doing what's right for Crimea's people right now, we're also protecting our assets in that region and that's the bottom line here.
American TV isn't showing us everything that's for sure. The international community is nervous though if this gets let go without some sort of backlash who is to say Putin doesn't try to take all of Ukraine in three months?do you think Russia ever worried about winning a PR war? Kraken, you've been watching too much of the American TV. The entire world doesn't live by the same rules or principals as US.
We're doing what's right for Crimea's people right now, we're also protecting our assets in that region and that's the bottom line here.
Here are some facts on what we're doing over there, Kraken
Ukraine’s statement at the UN that ‘16,000 Russian soldiers had been deployed’ across Crimea sparked a MSM feeding frenzy that steadfastly ignored any hard facts that got in their way.
Especially unwelcome is the fact that the so-called ‘invasion force’ has been there for 15 years already.
The media many trust described in hysterical tones how the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was under a full-scale Russian invasion with headlines like: “Ukraine says Russia sent 16,000 troops to Crimea”, “Ukraine crisis deepens as Russia sends more troops into Crimea,” as well as “What can Obama do about Russia's invasion of Crimea?”.
Facts, and ardent statements by top Russian diplomats were totally ignored by the western ‘war press’.
Russian UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin pointed to the longstanding 25,000 troop allowance while FM Sergey Lavrov stressed the Russian military “strictly executes the agreements which stipulate the Russian fleet’s presence in Ukraine, and follows the stance and claims coming from the legitimate authority in Ukraine and in this case the legitimate authority of the Autonomous Republic Crimea as well.”
So here they are, the facts:
1) A Russian naval presence in Crimea dates to 1783 when the port city of Sevastopol was founded by Russian Prince Grigory Potemkin. Crimea was part of Russia until Nikita Khruschev gave it to Ukraine in 1954.
2) In 1997, amid the wreckage of the USSR, Russia & Ukraine signed a Partition Treaty determining the fate of the military bases and vessels in Crimea. The deal sparked widespread officer ‘defections’ to Russia and was ratified by the Russian & Ukrainian parliaments in 1999. Russia received 81.7 percent of the fleet’s ships after paying the Ukrainian government US$526.5 million.
3) The deal allowed the Russian Black Sea Fleet to stay in Crimea until 2017. This was extended by another 25 years to 2042 with a 5-year extension option in 2010.
4) Moscow annually writes off $97.75 million of Kiev’s debt for the right to use Ukrainian waters and radio frequencies, and to compensate for the Black Sea Fleet’s environmental impact.
5) The Russian navy is allowed up to
- 25,000 troops,
- 24 artillery systems with a caliber smaller than 100 mm,
- 132 armored vehicles, and
- 22 military planes, on Crimean territory.
6) Five Russian naval units are stationed in the port city of Sevastopol, in compliance with the treaty:
- The 30th Surface Ship Division formed by the 11th Antisubmarine Ship Brigade. Comprises the Black Sea Fleet’s flagship guard missile cruiser Moskva as well as Kerch, Ochakov, Smetlivy, Ladny, and Pytlivy vessels, and the 197th Landing Ship Brigade, consisting of seven large amphibious vessels;
- The 41st Missile Boat Brigade includes the 166th Fast Attack Craft Division, consisting of Bora and Samum hovercrafts as well as small missile ships Mirazh and Shtil, and 295th missile Boat Division;
- The 247th Separate Submarine Division, consisting of two diesel submarines – B-871 Alrosa and B-380 Svyatoy Knyaz Georgy;
- The 68th Harbor Defense Ship Brigade formed by 4 vessels of the 400th Antisubmarine Ship Battalion and 418 Mine Hunting Ship Division respectively.;
- The 422nd Separate Hydrographic Ship Division boasts the Cheleken, Stvor, Donuzlav and GS-402 survey vessels and hydrographic boats.
7) Russia has two airbases in Crimea, in Kacha and Gvardeysky.
8) Russian coastal forces in Ukraine consist of the 1096th Separate Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment in Sevastopol and the 810th Marine Brigade, which hosts around 2,000 marines.
9) Russian naval units are permitted to implement security measures at their permanent post as well as during re-deployments in cooperation with Ukrainian forces, in accordance with Russia’s armed forces procedures.
Authorities in the Ukrainian Autonomous Republic of Crimea – where over half the population is Russian – requested Moscow’s assistance after the self-proclaimed government in Kiev introduced a law abolishing the use of languages other than Ukrainian in official circumstances.
Last week, Russia’s Federation Council unanimously approved President Vladimir Putin’s request to send the country’s military forces to Ukraine to ensure peace and order in the region “until the socio-political situation in the country is stabilized.”
However, the final say about deploying troops lies with Putin, who hasn’t yet made such a decision, stressing that deploying military force would be a last resort.
Whether Russia cares or not doesn't change rhe reality, they are losing the PR battle and yes, it does matter.
I watch a little tv but not much. Doesn't matter, Americans disapprove of what putin is doing, europeans, ukranians, most of the free world disapproves and now even Russians are disapproving. And regardless of what you or putin may believe, it's a big deal.
Rocket, lets agree to revisit this issue in a month. I respect your opinion, just disagree. Lets see what time tells us
Obama approval rating hitting new lows http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...-in-key-areas/Obama easily winning
Could be John Kerry's diplomatic mastery or Obama's general vagitude ... or both.
Obama could look to France and take some pointers on self-assertion. Yes, it's come to that.
Regardless of what happens with U.S. and Russia Rocket will always be our friend on SBR end of story
Regardless of what happens with U.S. and Russia Rocket will always be our friend on SBR end of story
Hilarious as soon as Putin lost 1/4 of his money on currency decline everything calmed down
1/4?Hilarious as soon as Putin lost 1/4 of his money on currency decline everything calmed down
What's up with the green dildo?Regardless of what happens with U.S. and Russia Rocket will always be our friend on SBR end of story
And why the fuk are we giving them money?Russia is losing the PR battle. Now aid is flowing into Ukraine, something like a Billion from the U.S. And 15 billion from Europe. This will only strengthen the pro-west ukranian's.
Russia is controlling Crimea today but you have to see past your nose Rocket, the west is winning this battle.
