Maybe when you go over there you'll get the itch to train again? lolOriginally Posted by str
Very good point Mike. The new system I would think might very well help the "all others" selection by eliminating some of those mentioned that ordinarily might have started.
Oh my, it seems like I might venture over to Laurel this weekend.
Lol.
My buddy and I cashed a whole lotta tickets on you back in the mid '70's all the way thru the '80's.
Consistent was the word!
Mr. Brown, that is as high a compliment as you ever could have paid me. I thank you.Maybe when you go over there you'll get the itch to train again? lol
My buddy and I cashed a whole lotta tickets on you back in the mid '70's all the way thru the '80's.
Consistent was the word!
I was such a big proponent of the horse player when I started doing well enough to have a voice that could be heard. Not coming from a horse family but a gambling family, I always was the young voice in a room filled with older people and always telling anyone that would listen that we are only as good as our worst story in the eyes of the player. Few wanted to listen but when Frank De. bought the tracks he too was of the same mindset.
Watching trainers consistently have 18% winners and place percentages and 5-6% show percentages , especially when the trizacta or triple was launched was disgraceful IMO and while not being able to FIX that problem, I most certainly opened peoples eyes to the fact that it existed, and as a result, at least slowed it somewhat. ( It never slowed Leather down though).
I took tremendous pride in running to form and while that thought process might have cost me to lose horses that I might have been able to keep and win with down the road, it was the only way to play the game IMO. Winning the % title as many times as I did but not the training title was fine with me. When Frank De. owned Laurel he made a big deal about that, giving the leading trainer a trophy and the leading % trainer a 1,000.00 check at several meets.I still have my picture of Mr. De. presenting it to me and it meant more to me than I could ever properly put into words.
Thanks again Mr. Brown ! It would be an honor to meet you at the races one day.
% Totals 177,407 1 99 1,190 1% - - 2 99 1,360 1% - - 3 99 1,216 1% - - 4 99 789 0% - - 5 99 1,118 1% - - 6 99 913 1% - - 7 19 7,426 4% - - 8 99 1,438 1% - - 9 11 12,010 7% - - 10 78 1,873 1% - - 11 19 7,165 4% - - 12 99 486 0% - - 13 26 5,465 3% - - 14 65 2,252 1% - - 15 48 3,002 2% - - 16 8 14,906 8% - - 17 9 14,041 8% - - 18 93 1,575 1% - - 19 90 1,631 1% - - 20 8 15,427 9% - - 21 9 13,653 8% - - 22 94 1,554 1% - - 23 99 1,394 1% - - 24 6/5 65,525 37% - - Totals 177,407
With the conclusion of Friday wagering, the field – the 24th or “all others” option – was the 6-5 favorite. Next was the Pletcher foursome, all of them at single-digit odds: Verrazano (7-1), Revolutionary (8-1), Shanghai Bobby (8-1), and Violence (9-1). They were followed by Goldencents (10-1), Itsmyluckyday (21-1), and Flashback (22-1).
that was thelive pool at this moment in post #28..granted it will change a ton its early.. I dont think any of these horses run this weekend at all. (except field horses)
but still the pot will get much bigger..I think field will dip to EVEN money..which trust me is HORRIBE value, dont believe all the chatter in this thread that with the new system the FIELD here in pool on should be 1/9..case that is not true.
If I was into having money tied up for 3 months I would be all over the field here. Bet only 5 or 6 from this list even make the derby.
If I was into having money tied up for 3 months I would be all over the field here. Bet only 5 or 6 from this list even make the derby.
you would lose that bet...
I was reading on DRF that the "Field" option has won the Derby 6 of last 14....Not that great at the low odds IMO. I believe there is a few big races today but Im still looking. Just woke up. GLthat was thelive pool at this moment in post #28..granted it will change a ton its early.. I dont think any of these horses run this weekend at all. (except field horses)
but still the pot will get much bigger..I think field will dip to EVEN money..which trust me is HORRIBE value, dont believe all the chatter in this thread that with the new system the FIELD here in pool on should be 1/9..case that is not true.
Maybe but this year especially seems more wide open than it usually is. My top 3 picks for the derby right now arent on the list so...you would lose that bet...
always a great time of year..Maybe but this year especially seems more wide open than it usually is. My top 3 picks for the derby right now arent on the list so...
FUTURE WAGER
The first of three pools of the Kentucky Derby Future Wager will run from February 10-12, Churchill Downs said on Wednesday. The second pool will take place March 2-4 and the third pool will be from March 30-April 1. There also will be a single-pool Kentucky Oaks Future Wager from March 2-4. Both the Kentucky Derby Future Wager and Kentucky Oaks Future Wager will feature win and exacta betting.
Betting for each pool will open at noon EST on Friday and close at 6:30 p.m. on Sunday, 30 minutes after the conclusion of betting. Each pool will feature 23 individual wagering interests and one mutuel field, or "all others," interest. All bets are $2 minimum wagers. No refunds will be made and if illness, injury, or other circumstance would prevent a horse from competing in either race, wagering on that betting interest will be suspended immediately.
The Kentucky Derby Future Wager, now in its 14th year, will lead to the 138th running of the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (G1) on May 5 at Churchill Downs.
Pool 1
# Wagering Interest ML Odds Final Odds
Kentucky Derby Future Wager Handle History
Year Pool 1 Pool 2 Pool 3 Total Handle 2011 $592,492 $376,699 $392,910 $1,362,101 2010 $466,048 $355,853 $310,154 $1,132,055 2009 $478,721 $380,420 $377,158 $1,236,299 2008 $439,379 $325,306 $291,835 $1,056,520 2007 $520,688 $379,613 $465,123 $1,365,424 2006 $552,627 $464,236 $454,743 $1,471,606 2005 $620,362 $511,655 $533,973 $1,665,990 2004 $536,958 $358,996 $386,224 $1,282,168 2003 $516,906 $391,002 $222,261 $1,130,169 2002 $577,889 $401,070 $524,847 $1,503,806 2001 $510,815 $372,961 $425,871 $1,309,647 2000 $465,454 $306,259 $387,206 $1,158,919 1999 $267,748 $178,811 $229,674 $676,233
Kentucky Derby Future Wager Payout History
Year Winner Pool 1 Payout Pool 2 Payout Pool 3 Payout Derby Payout 2011 Animal Kingdom $6.20 (f) * $9.40 (f) * $64.40 $43.80 2010 Super Saver $43.20 $51.20 $73.00 $18.00 2009 Mine That Bird $5.80 (f) * $11.80 (f) * $36.80 (f) $103.20 2008 Big Brown $8.60 (f) * $15.00 (f) $8.60 * $6.80 2007 Street Sense $22.80 $18.20 $15.40 $11.80 2006 Barbaro $40.20 $32.20 $20.80 $14.20 2005 Giacomo $52.00 $54.20 $103.60 $102.60 2004 Smarty Jones $5.60 (f) $10.80 (f) $23.60 $10.20 2003 Funny Cide $188.00 $120.80 $107.40 $27.60 2002 War Emblem $7.60 (f) * $16.00 (f) $24.00 (f) $43.00 2001 Monarchos $36.60 $13.00 $15.80 $23.00 2000 Fusaichi Pegasus $27.80 $26.40 $8.00 * $6.60 1999 Charismatic $10.20 (f) * $30.20 (f) $26.60 (f) $64.60
(f) - mutual field; * - favorite
This chart will help players understand the logic of why all others has been a decent play over the years. Over the years it has shown a very modest yet positive payoff. Some will point to the 1st year of existence when many players did not grasp the concept yet as the reason it has been able to show a profit. ( Do realize that this chart is a year old and last years winner I am almost positive was NOT in any field plays . If true, a -6.00 amount should be added to the total based on a 2.00 wager in each pool each year.
The bottom line though is if you are gaining interest in the game, a safe way to play and learn( always a dangerous mix) is to play the field pools and learn all you can each year.You won't get rich but you won't go broke either and can only improve your skills by following along. At least, that is the idea.
I will say that 6-5 as it currently stands is not much of a payoff and for me, I might be tempted to wait and play pool 2 and 3 which usually produce a much better price. Then again, you might have identified a longshot of your own by then.
Best of Luck.
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that was thelive pool at this moment in post #28..granted it will change a ton its early.. I dont think any of these horses run this weekend at all. (except field horses)
but still the pot will get much bigger..I think field will dip to EVEN money..which trust me is HORRIBE value, dont believe all the chatter in this thread that with the new system the FIELD here in pool on should be 1/9..case that is not true.
I think everyone but you realized the 1/9 was an exaggeration made to emphasize that 9-5 was an overlay.
IM on HHENOUGH 50-1!!HesHadEnough @ 50-1 is interesting, as is Dynamic Sky at 30-1.
But I just can't put anything down on these guys with so much racing to go. And this new point system makes it pure craziness to bet here, your basically betting on a horse that has to win 2 maybe 3 more major races in the next three months.
Just to get involved I put $5 on Den's Legacy, the angle is the 'other' Baffert horse. Not feeling it for Flashback anyway. WIth BB he might end up with another in the spotlight before May.
I actually think the field was a stronger bet this year than in the past because of the new points system for making it to the race. Whereas horses in the past had guaranteed spots because of purse winnings in prior races, this year it's based on recency and the last two rounds of prep races are worth more points - the new criteria for getting in the gate.
