When will Joe Paterno get his 300th win?

Originally Posted by WvGambler

Chalky,

Covering up a crime is illegal. You don't have the right to know someone is raping kids, and then police it yourself. It's called being an accomplice. Penn State, Joe included, knew of Sanduskys crimes and tried to police them on their own.

How is this hard to get?

If he is in fact seen as covering it up. That is a stretch. His sole responsibility is to take it to his superiors, that is it. He did that. Should he have done more? You are goddamn right - but believe me when I say he was not going to spend night 1 in jail. Accomplice liability is a stretch. Accessory too.

With all that said, even if you want to say he is criminally liable - it is still outside the purview of the NCAA.

Does it really hurt the ayers? Not really. The memories of the glory, the ttriumph, the trophies ect. It's not a big deal. It would have been nice if people in power would have given half as much effort defending 9 year old boys as a lot of apologists feel for paterno or former players ect. I mean is lavarr Arrington gonna survive the stripping of wins? Is Larry Johnson? Ect. I think so

The fans who are up in arms over this just shows how widespread the problem is.

To Penn St maybe football just really is more important than child rape. At least they're not trying to pretend it isn't.

I want to be clear, I am not a penn state fan, never have been, could not care less if that exists or not. However, I do watch ESPN, and have an understanding of the issue, and it is outrageous how ridiculous this has become.

Originally Posted by cyptomcat

Freeh Report found emails showing that he was influential in deciding not to report Sandusky. He was part of the conversation that let a rapist go unreported and enabled him to use Penn State to attract more victims and rape them in their facilities.

I used to respect Paterno, but I lost it before all this scandal hit. It was during the Ohio State scandal when Paterno was giving excuses for Tressel covering up the violations that I lost my respect for it. This scandal hit not too long after that.

For what its worth, Joe Paterno never used email to my knowledge. However, he may have dictated messages to his secretary or someone else who used email. I would like to see the emails with Joe Paterno's name on them though. I could care less about the penalties the NCAA imposed on Penn State because I don't have a dog in that race ----- WAR EAGLE!!!!!


Julie Henderson

I have Espn, stayed in a holiday express, and still know the most ridiculous aspect is that paterno and ccompany were cool with Sandusky bringing kids to molest to bowl games, flying with the team, staying in the same hotel and they didn't do shit about it. Day after day as he brought kids to campus.

Year 2107 they will over turn this ruling

This may be the most ridiculous of all of the "blame Joe" nonsense that has come out since the Boards "Cover Our Ass Freeh" report came out. Freeh was hired by the Board to dig up and place as much blame on Joe as possible to help fend off the Paterno family's wrongful termination suit. But the most absurd slide of all in this BS is the one that says "after 1998 Joe failed to closely monitor Sandusky's behavior". First, that might be because Sandusky left PSU in 1999. But more over, Joe Paterno was a football coach, not a law enforcement official, or a Child Welfare Department employee, or anybody who was in any position to know what Sandusky was doing much less "monitor" his behavior. The alleged notes that claim to say that Joe wanted to be kept informed of the 1998 investigation led to him being informed that the charges were dropped and Sandusky was cleared. So what a reporter is saying is Joe should have confronted Sandusky and said "even though you don't work here any more, and you have been cleared of the charges against you, I am going to monitor your private life behavior?" Ridiculous. It was also made clear that Sandusky was given emeritous status and access to PSU by The President of the University, not by Joe Paterno and it was part of a retirement package, not because he was connected to the football program. Nobody knows what, if anything, Joe discussed with Tim Curley until Curleys trial.

Joe Paterno's job was coaching the football team, not "watching" Jerry Sandusky when he was on campus. Joe had no way of knowing when Sandusky was on campus much less have the time to follow him around "watching" him. If the university has suspicions, they should have had security watch him. How can you say that after the 1998 incident (where Sandusky was cleared) that Joe never said "get away from PSU football?". Sandusky quickly decided to retire in 1999. You don't think Joe was behind that and that was his way of saying "I don't care if you were cleared, I don't want you around my program"? Freeh said he could not draw any conclusions about that. Also don't overlook several other facts. The incident in the shower in 2001 took place at 9:30 at night. Long after the Lash Building was closed. Where was security? Joe was no longer there to "watch" him. How do you know Joe was "OK" with Sandusky having an office right next to him? Sandusky was given office space by Graham Spanier as part of his retirement package. Another important fact left out by Freeh was that Tim Curley and Graham Spanier told Sandusky not to bring any more kids on campus and took away his keys to the locker room after the 2001 shower incident. Mike McQueary testified at the Curley/Schultz hearing that he saw Sandusky around campus after 2001 but he never saw him on campus with a child after that. I am not in denial about anything. I am just not willing to drink the Freeh Report coolaide. Especially when he states that the cornerstone of his investigation was a conversation between Joe and Curely that he admits he knows nothing about other than a vague reference in an email. He never talked to either party so he has no way of knowing what Joe said. Is Joe guilty of poor judgement, probably; he is guilty of making a mistake, probably. But is he guilty of knowingly "enabling" or "allowing" Sandusky to molest children? No way in hell. Is he "complicit" in the crimes of a former employee? No way in hell. And no bogus report by anybody is ever going to change that.

[QUOTE=ttwarrior1;15464784]This may be the most ridiculous of all of the "blame Joe" nonsense that has come out since the Boards "Cover Our Ass Freeh" report came out. Freeh was hired by the Board to dig up and place as much blame on Joe as possible to help fend off the Paterno family's wrongful termination suit. But the most absurd slide of all in this BS is the one that says "after 1998 Joe failed to closely monitor Sandusky's behavior". First, that might be because Sandusky left PSU in 1999. But more over, Joe Paterno was a football coach, not a law enforcement official, or a Child Welfare Department employee, or anybody who was in any position to know what Sandusky was doing much less "monitor" his behavior. The alleged notes that claim to say that Joe wanted to be kept informed of the 1998 investigation led to him being informed that the charges were dropped and Sandusky was cleared. So what a reporter is saying is Joe should have confronted Sandusky and said "even though you don't work here any more, and you have been cleared of the charges against you, I am going to monitor your private life behavior?" Ridiculous. It was also made clear that Sandusky was given emeritous status and access to PSU by The President of the University, not by Joe Paterno and it was part of a retirement package, not because he was connected to the football program. Nobody knows what, if anything, Joe discussed with Tim Curley until Curleys trial.

Joe Paterno's job was coaching the football team, not "watching" Jerry Sandusky when he was on campus. Joe had no way of knowing when Sandusky was on campus much less have the time to follow him around "watching" him. If the university has suspicions, they should have had security watch him. How can you say that after the 1998 incident (where Sandusky was cleared) that Joe never said "get away from PSU football?". Sandusky quickly decided to retire in 1999. You don't think Joe was behind that and that was his way of saying "I don't care if you were cleared, I don't want you around my program"? Freeh said he could not draw any conclusions about that. Also don't overlook several other facts. The incident in the shower in 2001 took place at 9:30 at night. Long after the Lash Building was closed. Where was security? Joe was no longer there to "watch" him. How do you know Joe was "OK" with Sandusky having an office right next to him? Sandusky was given office space by Graham Spanier as part of his retirement package. Another important fact left out by Freeh was that Tim Curley and Graham Spanier told Sandusky not to bring any more kids on campus and took away his keys to the locker room after the 2001 shower incident. Mike McQueary testified at the Curley/Schultz hearing that he saw Sandusky around campus after 2001 but he never saw him on campus with a child after that. I am not in denial about anything. I am just not willing to drink the Freeh Report coolaide. Especially when he states that the cornerstone of his investigation was a conversation between Joe and Curely that he admits he knows nothing about other than a vague reference in an email. He never talked to either party so he has no way of knowing what Joe said. Is Joe guilty of poor judgement, probably; he is guilty of making a mistake, probably. But is he guilty of knowingly "enabling" or "allowing" Sandusky to molest children? No way in hell. Is he "complicit" in the crimes of a former employee? No way in hell. And no bogus report by anybody is ever going to change that.

You mean to tell me that pile of shit paterno didnt know what was going on? get the fukk out of here. that pile of shit was probably whacking his old prick while sandusky was banging those little children

wait I can't read all that.. but I got 1 paragraph in and got two sentiments...

1)he couldn't have known what was going on-he didn't follow him around

2) of course he knew...he forced him out in 1999 from coaching


both of those arguments suck and hence make the rest not read-able

u have to admit, one hell of post i made

Do you know what your mom, dad, sisters, brothers , co workers , kids are always doing??? i mean all of them, not just one.

Was joe supposed to put hidden cameras around.

Wouldn't 1st or 3rd mile or whatever know before paterno??? or even the police??? Give me a break. I need to send that to espn. An eye opener

yes he forced him out, so how is joe supposed to know wtf sandusky was doing from 99 to 2012??????

Originally Posted by ttwarrior1

yes he forced him out, so how is joe supposed to know wtf sandusky was doing from 99 to 2012??????

if he forced him OUT...

he only did enugh to get him off the team payroll/staff photo

he didn't force him OUT of campus ( he could have)
he didn't force him OUT of little kids butt holes ( he let maybe another 200 get molested possibly)
he didn't force him OUT from attending PSU bowl traveling with the team
he didn't force him OUT of his office on campus where he plied kids with alcohol and raped them

most importantly he didn't start the process to put sandusky behind bars and OUT of the public for 10-15 years......

he might have tried to get him OUT of his legacy story, but after that he didn't give a flying fok


at least after it came out he admitted...


I wish I did MORE......

why the need for people to defend him and say he did enough when the guy HIMSELF said he didn't do enough?

if it was your family member getting raped you wouldn't be protecting paterno

guy was more powerful than a mafia boss in that area...

Ttwarrior you fat fuk

Dont bring your copy and paste shit into my thread you pedo supporter.