Kentucky derby thread thoughts and predictions . Keep it going only derby picks

Originally Posted by Draynay

With Constitution out no horse going into the Derby has passed Wildcat Red and considering it took an all out effort from a horse Pletcher called one of the best 3 year old horses he has ever had .... good luck passing him. Cairo Prince was in the Florida Derby for a workout and lost by just 3 lengths. He has won everything else on 3 different tracks and has one of the best trainers in the world. Good luck beating Cairo on Derby Day. Maybe you need to watch his Holy Bull again.....

I think you may be forgetting about General A Rod who did in fact pass WildCat Red. I am also looking at the pedigree and WildCat REd handling the Derby distance.

As far as watching to Holy Bull again, yeah it was amazing. But his Florida Derby was equally impressive in the other direction.

Originally Posted by Heppy10

When do the pps come out for the KD?

Here are the early version. Obviously there is still stuff to come (post draw, Midnight Hawk running this weekend)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...5/dby0503y.pdf

Cairo Prince loses to the best two 3 year old horses running by a couple of lengths after a 9 week layoff and he is suddenly not good enough ? You can't be serious. There is nothing wrong with his Florida Derby and he is set up nicely to run away with the Derby. Keep him off your ticket and let me know how that works for you.

Originally Posted by BGboothA

Here are the early version. Obviously there is still stuff to come (post draw, Midnight Hawk running this weekend)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...5/dby0503y.pdf

Awesome thanx man, who you liking so far?

2 things jump right out at you..... Wildcat red is inches from being undefeated and Cairo is a monster. It is going to be very very hard to get by Wildcat Red the first Saturday in May.... the Florida horses clearly stand out for sure.

Cairo for the win.....

I think Cairo Prince is interesting too but in the future see him being a Grade 1 miler, maybe 9 panels on a speed favoring track like the spa or monmouth which puts the Haskell in play.

Kentucky Derby

Cairo Prince o/u 4th
Wildcat Red o/u 8th

Originally Posted by mikemca

I think Cairo Prince is interesting too but in the future see him being a Grade 1 miler, maybe 9 panels on a speed favoring track like the spa or monmouth which puts the Haskell in play.

Kentucky Derby

Cairo Prince o/u 4th
Wildcat Red o/u 8th

give me cairo prince to finish worse then 4th

Originally Posted by TonyP

give me cairo prince to finish worse then 4th

will use him in a few supers though

Originally Posted by mikemca

I think Cairo Prince is interesting too but in the future see him being a Grade 1 miler, maybe 9 panels on a speed favoring track like the spa or monmouth which puts the Haskell in play.

Kentucky Derby

Cairo Prince o/u 4th
Wildcat Red o/u 8th

Wildcat Red who no one has been able to get by except one horse not in the race and who would be favored to win if the race was a mile is going to suddenly spit the bit with the lead at the top of the stretch and let 7 horses go by him...... you have to be kidding. Cairo Prince has done nothing but win and facing 3 of the best in the Florida Derby and him finishing right behind them after a 9 week layoff sets him up perfectly for the Derby. He is the only horse in the race that has been really good at 2 and 3. If you think there are 3 horses better than him.... where have they been hiding for 2 years ?

Originally Posted by Draynay

If you think there are 3 horses better than him.... where have they been hiding for 2 years ?

1. Samraat
2. California Chrome
3. Hoppertunity/Tapiture
4. General A Rod (at this distance)
5. Intense Holiday

Will all be on my ticket before WildCat Red. And don' get me wrong, I think WildCat red is going to own a mile the rest of the year, but the Derby distance....I just don' think he handles the distance or the pace that I think he will be facing.

Originally Posted by TonyP

give me cairo prince to finish worse then 4th

He is a tricky read but one thing I am sure of is that he was not 100% wound up for his last race.

Originally Posted by Draynay

Wildcat Red who no one has been able to get by except one horse not in the race and who would be favored to win if the race was a mile is going to suddenly spit the bit with the lead at the top of the stretch and let 7 horses go by him...... you have to be kidding. Cairo Prince has done nothing but win and facing 3 of the best in the Florida Derby and him finishing right behind them after a 9 week layoff sets him up perfectly for the Derby. He is the only horse in the race that has been really good at 2 and 3. If you think there are 3 horses better than him.... where have they been hiding for 2 years ?

General A rod didn't pass him in the Gulfstream Park Derby?There is a huge difference between a mile and 1 1/4 and I'm not so sure he would be favored at a mile unless it was at GP maybe.
His races that you are enamored with ,he and 2 or 3 others ran 1-2 or 1-2-3 around the track and if you look even deeper when they entered the stretch hardly anyone improved positions in the whole field.

Finaly have my laptop connected to a flat screen hd tv with a hdmi cable thought you might get a laugh out of that Mike

As a 3 year old Wildcat Red has been as tough as any horse can be.... There aren't many horses better than him and he will be tough to get by in mid stretch.... the only horse I see doing it is Cairo Prince.

Now 2 of the 3 horses you have been touting Draynay out of the Derby. #GamblingGods

Ouch! Cairo Prince out of the Derby.

Changes a few things for some people....