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Two questions...

1. Yield vs. ROI
I'm assuming its a personal preference, but since there is a difference in ROI and Yield, curious as to what is most commonly preferred to measure performance.

I know some may say they are the same thing...but they're not.

ROI is the %age your bankroll has increased from its initial starting bank

Yield is how many times you had to re-invest your say 100 to get to the 300, and the resulting %age profit made from re-investing.

Is one preferred over the other?

2. Yield

Another question, on Yield

I use a formula of [(aw - ab) / ab] x 100%
aw = amount won
ab = amount wagered/risked

But if you risked $1250 to win say $1190, is your Yield still negative?

Ex. 1190-1250 = -60
-60/1250 = -0.048 or -4.8%

So is Yield really -4.8% or did I forget something?
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Thanks for the input. Yes - also following units won/loss.

Regarding Yield though, is the below correct as although it shows I won, thus making profit, the yield is negative???

Thanks in advance for the advice/help.

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I use a formula of [(aw - ab) / ab] x 100%
aw = amount won
ab = amount wagered/risked

But if you risked $1250 to win say $1190, is your Yield still negative?

Ex. 1190-1250 = -60
-60/1250 = -0.048 or -4.8%

So is Yield really -4.8% or did I forget something?
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What I'm seeking (if it exists) is just one formula to use to calculate the yield since I'll be building this out in a spreadsheet and then into a program (the goal). In my research I keep seeing
[(aw - ab) / ab] x 100% , but I soon realized it doesn't take into account the above scenario where the amount won (aw) is less than the amount bet (ab)
I don't want to have to keep changing the yield formula (aw-ab) or (ab-aw).., so I assumed there should just be one simple formula that addresses the above???

Can anyone in here lend a hand to look at my spreadsheet to offer some feedback that the calculations are correct? Yes - I've got yield, ROI, units, etc.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sportsguy_USA View Post
Looking for some help to validate the calculations.

Can you help me here, then I'll spread some Karma. If not..well..don't post.
If you think about it a bit longer, you'll understand that this is the best help you could hope for

ROI / Yield is a means to an end not an end in itself.
Also, how sure are you that you even have what you must have to even deserve ROI/Yield?
Some call it edge/positive expectation. After all, without it where all this ROI/Yield would come from.

So how sure are you?and where this confidence is coming from?
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Quote Originally Posted by Sawyer View Post
None. Most preferred stat is Total Units Won. You don't pay the bills with your yield stat. A bettor with %4 yield may make profit then a bettor with %12 yield..Total Units Won; your total profit matters most.
You must be kidding.

Two tipsters:

a) 100 unit profit with 5% yield.

b) 75 unit profit with 15% yield.

Are you saying you prefer tipster "a" cause he has won more units? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard...
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Quote Originally Posted by Raizen View Post
You must be kidding.

Two tipsters:

a) 100 unit profit with 5% yield.

b) 75 unit profit with 15% yield.

Are you saying you prefer tipster "a" cause he has won more units? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard...
First of all, I don't "prefer" any tipster. At the end of the month, when eveluating my performance, I consider total units won more then yield because as I said, you don't pay the bills with yield/roi. You may have a very sexy ROI by making very few bets but a high-volume tipster can come up with more profit. It's all about money won. Not about stats like yield/win rate etc.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sawyer View Post
First of all, I don't "prefer" any tipster. At the end of the month, when eveluating my performance, I consider total units won more then yield because as I said, you don't pay the bills with yield/roi. You may have a very sexy ROI by making very few bets but a high-volume tipster can come up with more profit. It's all about money won. Not about stats like yield/win rate etc.
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September,

You placed 50 bets. All odds are 2,00 (+100/EVEN). Your win rate is %60. You risked 1 unit on each game.

Total unit risked 50. (You win 30 bets and lost 20)
Your net profit is +10 units. It makes %20 return.

October,

You placed 80 bets. You won %58.75 of these 80 bets, 47-33.

Total unit risked 80. You won 47 bets, lost 33. Odds are +100 again in order to make the calculation easy.
Your net profit is +14 Units.

Total Unit risked 80, Net Profit +14 Units. It's %17.5 yield but you made more profit then previous month.

If 1 unit is 1000$,

In September, you had %60 WIN RATE and %20 YIELD. Looks sexy, isn't it? But your net profit is 10,000$.

In October, you had a lower win rate and a lower yield, %58.75 and %17.5 yield..Your net profit is 14,000$.

Which one you prefer?

To have %20 yield but to make only 10k?
Or to have %17.5 yield but making 14k.

We're paying the bills with Total Units won, The Real money. Not with yield or win rate stats..

Of course, yield gives you a picture about a specific tipster about his productivity and style but there's no need to exaggerate it so much.

Have a great Saturday everyone!
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