SBR I-Pad Casino Promo - How do you interpret this rule?

Originally Posted by Cheme82

How can you interpret clear intent from ambiguous wording? Being able to read minds (which is the only way to do what you are suggesting) is not admissible proof.

Ok, let me be clearer. I've seen many situations like this in many arenas - someone writes something of which the intent is clear to them, but sometimes people can interpret things in a way which you, the writer, would never have expected when you wrote it. That's just the way things work, no matter how something is written, it's always going to be possible someone is going to find some wording loophole (which perhaps no one else would have ever thought of) to turn things to their advantage.

If we are to believe that anyone thought that Lou meant it the way Phats claims he thought it was (that there was one prize for Pros and one separate prize for Non-Pros) - when has any promotion on SBR ever worked in that fashion where Non-Pros got a separate prize just for them? I've never seen that in all the SBR Promotions that have been done and is something which is completely in-congruent with their strategy of trying to get everyone to turn Pro. As such, the intent of what this promotion was advertising was entirely clear to me (and to apparently nearly everyone else). Yes, as I said, if one looks deep enough they can always find a wording loophole to turn to their advantage (many lawyers wouldn't be in business if that weren't the case). But this is not a courtroom nor were the rules for this promotion written up over several weeks by some large legal contingent. Common sense should prevail.

Originally Posted by DrStale

Reading it the way it is written would make it appear that phats is the one in the right here. You can't argue with the wording. Making it worse is that rather than admit his mistake Lou gets combative. This isn't a guy taking a shot, if I were in his position i'd be rightfully annoyed as well.

There was no mistake, get a clue. Shame on you cheme82 for siding with this clown. You cant be serious....

Originally Posted by ArunSh

If we are to believe that anyone thought that Lou meant it the way Phats claims he thought it was (that there was one prize for Pros and one separate prize for Non-Pros) - when has any promotion on SBR ever worked in that fashion where Non-Pros got a separate prize just for them?

Actually, if you read what Lou wrote, there were 2 separate prizes. If a Non-Pro would have won a promo first, they would have won the 10K casino points. Then a Pro could have won the same promo and got the I-Pad. So there were 2 SEPARATE PRIZES that could both be won on the same promo, the problem is Lou NEVER said that once a Pro wins a promo, a NON-PRO cannot then win.

Also, how am I suppose to know how previous promotions worked? This was the first time I tried a casino promotion. I read the rules and read through the entire thread, and then started playing because "1st Non-Pro to win each promo will receive 10K casino points w/ 10x rollover" was clear enough to me.

Originally Posted by convick

There was no mistake, get a clue. Shame on you cheme82 for siding with this clown. You cant be serious....

Work on your reading comprehension then get back to me. Whether the meaning was clear or not, the wording certainly makes it appear that pahts could have/should have won the casino prize.

I just realized that I really dont give a shit about this situation!


Lou just give the guy like 5000 casino rollover points and be done with it. He will only win around 2000 points from that amount and he will still be a nonpro and wont be able to use the points anyway. ORRRRRR he will actually pony up $200 and become a pro which is the reason why you do these type of promotions.


Just next time Lou, can you give a bonus to the guys who actually lost points in the promotion instead of the winners who really dont need a bonus anyway?

Originally Posted by Phats1313

Actually, if you read what Lou wrote, there were 2 separate prizes. If a Non-Pro would have won a promo first, they would have won the 10K casino points. Then a Pro could have won the same promo and got the I-Pad. So there were 2 SEPARATE PRIZES that could both be won on the same promo, the problem is Lou NEVER said that once a Pro wins a promo, a NON-PRO cannot then win.

Actually the 2nd rule in Lou's original post stated: 2. For grading purposes, the winner of each promo will be the first user that posts their game history/that they've won in this thread.

You weren't first. If you had been you would've won 10k pts. However you simply weren't.

I'm not sure why there's a debate here?

Dude, you cant use the points anyway!!


Here is an idea!! Why dont you become a pro in the next 2 days and in turn Lou will give you the 10,000 rollover points that you think that you deserve! That is actually a great deal for you and sort of helps the forum as well I guess

Originally Posted by DrStale

Work on your reading comprehension then get back to me. Whether the meaning was clear or not, the wording certainly makes it appear that pahts could have/should have won the casino prize.

Yeah guy, you telling me to work on my reading comprehension when you were the idiot that started a thread about a trivia question you didnt understand...

Originally Posted by shari91

Actually the 2nd rule in Lou's original post stated: 2. For grading purposes, the winner of each promo will be the first user that posts their game history/that they've won in this thread.

You weren't first. If you had been you would've won 10k pts. However you simply weren't.

I'm not sure why there's a debate here?

So according to that rule I he had been first then no iPad would have been given, only points. Then Lou came in and said he would have also given an iPad even after a winner had already posted. The sole point here is that the rules were ****** up.

Originally Posted by shari91

Actually the 2nd rule in Lou's original post stated: 2. For grading purposes, the winner of each promo will be the first user that posts their game history/that they've won in this thread.

You weren't first. If you had been you would've won 10k pts. However you simply weren't.

I'm not sure why there's a debate here?

Lou has already said there were 2 prizes for each promo that could both be won. So really it should say,

"For grading purposes, the WINNERS of each promo will be the first user that posts their game history/that they've won in this thread."

Also, "1st Non-Pro to win each promo will receive 10K casino points w/ 10x rollover."

After reading the rules, any logically minded person would then infer the 1st Pro to post a win would get the I-Pad, the 1st Non-Pro to post a win for each promo would win 10K casino points. 2 separate categories, Pros that post first win I-Pads, Non-Pros that post first win casino points.

Originally Posted by Phats1313

Lou has already said there were 2 prizes for each promo that could both be won. So really it should say,

"For grading purposes, the WINNERS of each promo will be the first user that posts their game history/that they've won in this thread."

And since he also said, "1st Non-Pro to win each promo will receive 10K casino points w/ 10x rollover."

After reading the rules, any logically minded person would then infer the 1st Pro to post a win would get the I-Pad, the 1st Non-Pro to post a win for each promo would win 10K casino points. 2 separate categories, Pros that post first win I-Pads, Non-Pros that post first win casino points.

WINNERS because there were 4 separate promos going on! Seriously pal.

And no he didn't say the quote above in the context you're stating. Please don't state things that aren't true. In that same sentence it says "the first non Pro to WIN the promo"... the 2nd rule tells you who is graded the winner: The FIRST PERSON TO UPLOAD THE WINNING HAND. That wasn't you.

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or what the deal is here but you're not getting the points. If you had won first, yes. You didn't = no.

"The sole point here is that the rules were ****** up."

that pretty much sums it up.

it's not that hard to write the rules correctly and i don't see why SBR can't just admit they were not clear

nobody is perfect.

mistakes happen.

it was a dumb promo for non pros anyways

they can only keep 5k in points right?

so why give em 10k?

they can win in the casino its not 100% for them to lose.

Originally Posted by shari91

WINNERS because there were 4 separate promos going on! Seriously pal.

And no he didn't say the quote above in the context you're stating. Please don't state things that aren't true. In that same sentence it says "the first non Pro to WIN the promo"... the 2nd rule tells you who is graded the winner: The FIRST PERSON TO UPLOAD THE WINNING HAND. That wasn't you.

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or what the deal is here but you're not getting the points. If you had won first, yes. You didn't = no.

Sigh , please read Cheme82's posts above. Going by what you are saying, if a non-pro would have won a promo first, then they would have been graded the winner and it would then be over for that promo. But as Lou stated in this thread, there were a potential two winners for each promo. He never stated in the rules that a non pro cannot win after a pro wins. Anyways, I'm not going to argue with you, you're SBR Forum's lackey girl anyways so it's your job to take SBRs side no matter what. Can we at least agree the rules were poorly written and SBR needs to do a better job in the future?

Anyways I'm out, be back on later.

Originally Posted by Phats1313

Can we at least agree the rules were poorly written and SBR needs to do a better job in the future?

Anyways I'm out, be back on later.

Yes. Hopefully in the future, all non-pros are excluded from these awesome promos.

Originally Posted by Phats1313

Sigh , please read Cheme82's posts above. Going by what you are saying, if a non-pro would have won a promo first, then they would have been graded the winner and it would then be over for that promo. But as Lou stated in this thread, there were a potential two winners for each promo. He never stated in the rules that a non pro cannot win after a pro wins. Anyways, I'm not going to argue with you, you're SBR Forum's lackey girl anyways so it's your job to take SBRs side no matter what. Can we at least agree the rules were poorly written and SBR needs to do a better job in the future?

Anyways I'm out, be back on later.

Again: The rule stated "For grading purposes, the winner of each promo will be the first user that posts their game history/that they've won in this thread."

The first user.

The. First. User.

I'm truly not sure what you're not understanding.

And for a guy with 108 posts who said he's never participated in a promo before, it seems you don't know too much about me. I've spoken out against SBR's policies, stuff ups, etc many times and I'll do so in the future I'm sure. However I can't back you in this one.

As others have said even if you were given the 10k in points, you couldn't do much with them. If you turned Pro tomorrow only 5k would carry over. So it's not about the points. The first person to post was the winner. You were not it. I don't see how that part is confusing.

Regardless, that's the beauty of discussion. Everyone's free to agree or disagree. But seriously you're not going to get these points. If I thought you were in the right I'd be advocating for you behind the scenes. I've done it many times before in cases ranging from getting guys unbanned to strangely worded trivia questions, etc and many posters will vouch for that. I simply can't do it here for you as I don't agree at all. Either way, good luck with your bets.