[Hareeba!]

Your inability to understand where others come from is a constant theme in this forum. Instead you take your specific situation and try to apply it to others as the absolute final word on the subject.

I do understand others have very different approaches.

All I can do is relate my own experiences doing what I do which is traditional sports betting rather than arbing, trading and whoring. It is certainly becoming apparent to me however that we are very much in the minority around here.

If what I say doesn't apply to you then don't let it worry you. I'm sorry if it bothers you. It shouldn't. But I have very strong opinions on a number of issues and I'm not going to back away just because it doesn't fit with anyone else's view of the world.

[donjuan]

I do understand others have very different approaches.

All I can do is relate my own experiences doing what I do which is traditional sports betting rather than arbing, trading and whoring. It is certainly becoming apparent to me however that we are very much in the minority around here.

If what I say doesn't apply to you then don't let it worry you. I'm sorry if it bothers you. It shouldn't. But I have very strong opinions on a number of issues and I'm not going to back away just because it doesn't fit with anyone else's view of the world.

There is a lot more to a market based strategy than "arbing, trading and whoring" but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

[bigdog3580]

I think there are more than 3, IMO

[Hareeba!]

There is a lot more to a market based strategy than "arbing, trading and whoring" but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

and I wouldn't expect you to understand that I do but would much prefer to pursue a handicapping approach

[donjuan]

If you understand that, you are willfully misrepresenting what it is. Or you're ignorant of it. Which is it?

[Hareeba!]

If you understand that, you are willfully misrepresenting what it is. Or you're ignorant of it. Which is it?

no idea what you mean now

[ApricotSinner32]

Some of the dumbest shit i've ever heard. Pinny/Betfair are the sharpest in the industry. To find rogue numbers you must play at slow moving books. Seriously the fact that you have people believing this is sad.

[ApricotSinner32]

Now can you win betting at pinnacle if you have a good strategy? Sure but to say that you can only win playing at the books that are the sharpest is dumb.

[jjgold]

If you win a $500 bet at 5 Dimes your limits are cut to $50 in tennis

USA books want no part of it because they lack liquidity

[ApricotSinner32]

Nah you would have to win a lot before that would happen. 20k minimum i'd say. Maybe quicker if they see you picking off slow moving lines.

[Hareeba!]

Now can you win betting at pinnacle if you have a good strategy? Sure but to say that you can only win playing at the books that are the sharpest is dumb.

Too much emphasis on "sharp" books in this discussion.
The simple fact is that a punter optimises his position by making his bets at the best prices available.
Another simple fact is that most of the time that means betting at Betfair, Pinnacle and Matchbook (currently at least) for tennis.
I sometimes find better odds elsewhere but mostly it comes down to those nominated by the OP.

[Hareeba!]

Nah you would have to win a lot before that would happen. 20k minimum i'd say. Maybe quicker if they see you picking off slow moving lines.

LOL ... NFI
I never won anywhere near $20k at 5D before suffering severe limits.

[roanildinho]

hareeba thats why u have readbet, how are the shops in aussie?
are thre books on every corner

[Hareeba!]

hareeba thats why u have readbet, how are the shops in aussie?
are thre books on every corner

Readbet for tennis? LOL

No. This isn't the UK with bookies on every corner.
There are live bookies on racecourses.
Other than that there are TABs in most towns and suburbs and several pubs.
The corporate bookies only work on phones and the internet.

[goblue12]

Sportsbook.com used to be uber profitable.

They've tightened up considerably since the start of the season.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Hareeba

You are right in suggesting that betfair and pinnacle are in another class to these books. But by the same token these lesser books are much easier to beat. If you are pounding smaller events where the book can't get a lot of action on both sides what do you expect to happen in this climate? I expect to get shown the door by these books but I'm going to bleed them slowly. I could get banned tomorrow if I wanted but that would do me no good at all.

[Duff85]

Betdaq has volume issues
Nice set up but has not grown much

Some of you do not mind 40 cent lines though on -200 favs

Squares coming out in this thread

I am a Pro

Look under my name

JJ Gold speaks the truth... I think.

[igor 11]

Dafabet,Sbobet have good odds and high limits on tennis.William Hill,Ladbrokers,Bet365,Paddypower,Unibet have lot of options that I like to play ,but low limits.

[Hareeba!]

Dafabet,Sbobet have good odds and high limits on tennis.William Hill,Ladbrokers,Bet365,Paddypower,Unibet have lot of options that I like to play ,but low limits.

I use SBO but their limits for tennis are way below what I'd like to see and their h2h odds just don't measure although they are competitive on sets betting

Those UK books are okay for a short while but will limit the guts out of you if you show any talent at all

[jjgold]

Hareeba

You are right in suggesting that betfair and pinnacle are in another class to these books. But by the same token these lesser books are much easier to beat. If you are pounding smaller events where the book can't get a lot of action on both sides what do you expect to happen in this climate? I expect to get shown the door by these books but I'm going to bleed them slowly. I could get banned tomorrow if I wanted but that would do me no good at all.

Pounding events at lesser known books???

Good strategy very few lesser known books are taking serious bets on tennis and the juice is highway robbery

[chachi]

JJ - your slip is showing ...

If you know where to look and what lines to check, you can generally beat Pinny/SBO on dogs and get a couple hundred on a ticket a piece, by doing the rounds of four or five books which act similarly you can spread a grand or 1500 at better overall average odds with minimal effort.

I for one prefer best price over single big ticket, but maybe that's just me

[jjgold]

Chachi name me 3 books with better dog prices than Pinnacle or Berfair

[CanuckG]

Chachi name me 3 books with better dog prices than Pinnacle or Berfair

Bodog(sometimes), Matchbook....uhhh

[jjgold]

For the most part rarely
Matchbook doing no juice tennis promo but not much volume

[shari91]

For the most part rarely Matchbook doing no juice tennis promo but not much volume

This is what you're failing to grasp. For someone like you, who doesn't bet tennis or even Betfair regularly, you'd actually save by shopping around.

I've checked one shitty Aussie book: Sportingbet vs Betfair on the Petkovic match

Sportingbet's price: $2.60

Betfair: best price $2.66 with $687 available to trade at this second

With a $2000 bet at Sportingbet, your profit is $3200 if she wins. At Betfair, less the 5% commission, your profit is $3154.

First Aussie book I checked. And this is during a Slam.

And I'm confident if you start looking at the UK and Asian ones, other offshores, etc... you'll find better as this book is quite shocking during Slams.

[chachi]

Chachi name me 3 books with better dog prices than Pinnacle or Berfair

Ok, right here, right now here are five examples, some only 0.1 or 0.15 but a few 0.75 or > 1pt difference

Chela is 6.5 at a couple of Eurobooks (365 included) against 6.4 at Pinny
Soderling is similarly 3.7 vs 3.55
Soderling first set winner is 2.75 vs 2.69
Soderling 3-0 is 12 v 11.25
Soderling 3-1 is 10 v 8.6

Plenty of similar differences on Murray's match but cant be bothered to go through them all

[shari91]

And now the price has just dropped to $2.64.

[horja1]

Soderling first set winner is 2.75 vs 2.69

Betjamaica has Soderling +195 (2.95) for first set ... If I remember right, a few hours ago it was actually +250 (3.50) same as for match winner

[chachi]

Yeah Greek has some nice odds on Nadal line or two at the moment as well ... JJ is running the race with blinders on and doesn't know it

[jjgold]

Ok, right here, right now here are five examples, some only 0.1 or 0.15 but a few 0.75 or > 1pt difference

Chela is 6.5 at a couple of Eurobooks (365 included) against 6.4 at Pinny
Soderling is similarly 3.7 vs 3.55
Soderling first set winner is 2.75 vs 2.69
Soderling 3-0 is 12 v 11.25
Soderling 3-1 is 10 v 8.6

Plenty of similar differences on Murray's match but cant be bothered to go through them all

I do not look at all that stuff

Match odds only, the other type bets are gimmick bets and I would be careful betting them

[chachi]

FFS JJ ... 'to win 1st set' or 'to win 3-1' are far from gimmick bets and are regularly/always offered by Pinny/etc

"I would be careful betting them"

thanks - funniest post I have read in a long time, you are indeed quite the pro sticking to vanilla match odds

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Long odds correctscores betfair is usually the best.

Matchbook is very worthwhile atm cos they have a no commission deal. Hopefully they'll grow for tennis, even with regular commission they're much better than betfair (and no premium charge).


As for the others, they'll all limit. Almost all my bets are at pinnacle now.

[Domestic]

Pinny or bust, I fully agree JJ.

[chachi]

JJ goes on about books he can't use or never has used, pretends match odds are all that matter, and states correct score bets are something to avoid, and somehow that equates to being considered the Oracle of SBR ... scary

[jjgold]

Chachi I cannot use those books but am an expert on them all


I have a clue.........Berfair/Pinnacle/Matchbook for tennis or be square...its on my wall

God Bless Chachi