[thealfa]

I am using Bet Phoenix. It's B+. I don't know yet what an A+ sportsbook is. I am thinking of using one of the A+. Does it mean it has ALL the sports, not just U.S. sporting events? Bet Phoenix has some European sports but not all. Bet Phoenix don't seem to put many of the "easily winnable" bets, like the favorite is really a favorite and the underdog is really an underdog, if Bet Phoenix do, it's usually pretty high moneyline on the favorite because it's a guaranteed win like from what I've seen with them with boxing (-1700 for Eric Morales, and +2200 for a nobody). In NFL, NBA, and NHL, there seem to be not 1 dominant team.

[Hareeba!]

imho there are only 2 worthy of being rated A+

the key elements are:
1. safety of funds and fast payouts, preferably fee free
2. odds comparable with the best in the market on a wide range of events
3. high (or no ) staking limits

the top two qualifiers are BetFair and Pinnacle

[lukahh]

A+ means they are good&safe AND they advertise on this site. BetPhoenix do advertize, but they're not that good.

If i were you i'd definitely try one of the A+ instead of BP.

[Bongo]

I was wonderin same thing guess A/B is the safest.

[thealfa]

yeah I just lost $400 using Bet Phoenix. My observation is if the sporting event has an inferior underdog with no chance of winning, everyone already knows who will win, therefore Bet Phoenix does not have it available for me to bet on an easy bet. I'm just making assumption. So now that i lost all my deposits, it's time to move on to the next sportsbook.

A+ means they are good&safe AND they advertise on this site. BetPhoenix do advertize, but they're not that good.

If i were you i'd definitely try one of the A+ instead of BP.

[Hareeba!]

yeah I just lost $400 using Bet Phoenix. My observation is if the sporting event has an inferior underdog with no chance of winning, everyone already knows who will win, therefore Bet Phoenix does not have it available for me to bet on an easy bet. I'm just making assumption. So now that i lost all my deposits, it's time to move on to the next sportsbook.

If you are even half serious about your betting you don't have just one account.

You should have at the very least three and one of them must be an exchange.

[Rollins08]

Betphoenix has had alot of complaints here. A+ is the only way to go. Payouts will be fast and safe, and if you have a dispute it can be resolved quickly.

[Stefan]

... A+ is the only way to go. Payouts will be fast and safe, and if you have a dispute it can be resolved quickly.

Don't give too much on ratings. The experience of other users is more important than a rating. I know a lot of bookies with a B or C rating where the payouts are as fast and safe as the payouts of A rated bookies.

[Eagle1958]

Ratings depend upon the amount of money the book spends/gives to the rating organization, in this case SBR. The more they give, the higher their rating. A lot of these lower rated books are safer and pay faster than the A+ books. But they refuse to pay extortion, hence their lower ratings.

[increasedodds]

To me A+ means been around 10+ years, can process large withdrawals in one day or less and I'd feel comfortable having 6-7 figures there.

The list:

Pinnacle
Greek

[Legions36]

I am using Bet Phoenix. It's B+. I don't know yet what an A+ sportsbook is. I am thinking of using one of the A+. Does it mean it has ALL the sports, not just U.S. sporting events? Bet Phoenix has some European sports but not all. Bet Phoenix don't seem to put many of the "easily winnable" bets, like the favorite is really a favorite and the underdog is really an underdog, if Bet Phoenix do, it's usually pretty high moneyline on the favorite because it's a guaranteed win like from what I've seen with them with boxing (-1700 for Eric Morales, and +2200 for a nobody). In NFL, NBA, and NHL, there seem to be not 1 dominant team.

Yeah u need multiple books just like Hareeba said if u want to be +. With any A book your money is safe for sure and any of the SBR rated books are a must have.

[thealfa]

Makes sense. I counter my bet. If I place a bet for a team on 1 sportsbook, I place a bet for the other team on another sportsbook so I don't lose completely. The 3rd sportsbook is where you lost me. Pllease explain.

If you are even half serious about your betting you don't have just one account.

You should have at the very least three and one of them must be an exchange.

[Hareeba!]

Makes sense. I counter my bet. If I place a bet for a team on 1 sportsbook, I place a bet for the other team on another sportsbook so I don't lose completely. The 3rd sportsbook is where you lost me. Pllease explain.

so you're just an arber ?

even more applicable then

the more books you have at your disposal the better chance of finding the best price

and exchanges will more often than not be the best

[robertg]

i can't define A+, because i have accounts at all the A+ books, and I can't help it my 3 fovorite books are Heritage B+, Youwager B, and my local (unrated)but always on time in cash with no fees!

[thealfa]

what's the name of your local (unrated?)

i can't define A+, because i have accounts at all the A+ books, and I can't help it my 3 fovorite books are Heritage B+, Youwager B, and my local (unrated)but always on time in cash with no fees!

[thealfa]

what's an arber?
finding the best price in what? all sportsbooks have the same prize money/payout amount, don't they? or close enough? are you talking about fees?

the person that said above to open 2 or more accounts with different sportsbooks for serious betting has not given me much explanation. He's hiding something.

so you're just an arber ?

even more applicable then

the more books you have at your disposal the better chance of finding the best price

and exchanges will more often than not be the best

[thealfa]

exchanges?
example: I open 3 accounts: bet phoenix, pinnacle, greek

I place these bets:

Bet Phoenix: Knicks vs. Bulls, for Knicks (Knicks will lose, so I lose)

Pinnacle: I counter my bet against my bet on Bet Phoenix, so for Bulls (Bulls wins, so I win, well sorta, but I just lost money on Bet Phoenix, not sure it's even called "breaking even")

Greek: which team do I bet? Whatever gut feeling I'm feeling?

You said atleast open 3 accounts. I don't know what the third is for? You said an exchange? If I chose Knicks for the 3rd sportsbook (Greek), then I'd lose 2x and just win 1x, therefore I still lose. Would 4 accounts be better off then? Lose 2, win 2? Technically breaking even?

Maybe you can explain better.

so you're just an arber ?

even more applicable then

the more books you have at your disposal the better chance of finding the best price

and exchanges will more often than not be the best

[Hareeba!]

exchanges?
example: I open 3 accounts: bet phoenix, pinnacle, greek

I place these bets:

Bet Phoenix: Knicks vs. Bulls, for Knicks (Knicks will lose, so I lose)

Pinnacle: I counter my bet against my bet on Bet Phoenix, so for Bulls (Bulls wins, so I win, well sorta, but I just lost money on Bet Phoenix, not sure it's even called "breaking even")

Greek: which team do I bet? Whatever gut feeling I'm feeling?

You said atleast open 3 accounts. I don't know what the third is for? You said an exchange? If I chose Knicks for the 3rd sportsbook (Greek), then I'd lose 2x and just win 1x, therefore I still lose. Would 4 accounts be better off then? Lose 2, win 2? Technically breaking even?

Maybe you can explain better.

you're real new at this game aren't you?
(either that or you're having us on)

Arber = arbitrage player, trying to make a few cents on each play by betting both sides

NO. All books do not offer the same odds. Otherwise arbing wouldn't be possible at all.

So the more books you have access to increases you chances of finding spreads between them

Exchanges generally will have better odds on offer than bookmakers.

Recommendation: work out what you are trying to achieve as first priority. Then learn how to achieve it before playing any more.

[eyeball]

Bookmaker is A+ and they have .20 baseball lines

[gangeriver]

Bookmaker is A+ and they have .20 baseball lines

I agree with you completely! just wondering why it is A+? ...it has 20 cent lines, doesn't offer free payout (offers free payout with points, well if I don't have enough points?) B2B transfer fee is $100 and A+
it may be a safe book but I think this is not enough to be A+
UK and asian books safer than bookmaker

[goblue12]

A+ books are the final boss.

If you can beat Pinny / CRIS / Olympic's lines you can win anywhere.

[jgilmartin]

I agree with you completely! just wondering why it is A+? ...it has 20 cent lines, doesn't offer free payout (offers free payout with points, well if I don't have enough points?) B2B transfer fee is $100 and A+
it may be a safe book but I think this is not enough to be A+
UK and asian books safer than bookmaker

Don't they offer one free payout per month via @.C.H. (not related to BetPoints)? Was the case quite recently.

There are other reasons they are A+ than just being safe:
- High limits
- One of the most tolerant books to winning players
- Early lines

You are right about the odds, though. IMO Pinnacle is really the only A+ book, but Bookmaker and Greek are A.

[thealfa]

I'm trying to achieve winning. But prediction is rough therefore I'll rely on "arbering".

you're real new at this game aren't you?
(either that or you're having us on)

Arber = arbitrage player, trying to make a few cents on each play by betting both sides

NO. All books do not offer the same odds. Otherwise arbing wouldn't be possible at all.

So the more books you have access to increases you chances of finding spreads between them

Exchanges generally will have better odds on offer than bookmakers.

Recommendation: work out what you are trying to achieve as first priority. Then learn how to achieve it before playing any more.

[thealfa]

which one? oh the name of the bookmaker, is BOOKMAKER?

Bookmaker is A+ and they have .20 baseball lines

[Hareeba!]

I'm trying to achieve winning. But prediction is rough therefore I'll rely on "arbering".

then you need a decent bankroll and several books, including the exchanges and the means to move funds around quickly ... if you're in the US you have a major problem on that score unless you live in Vegas

[thealfa]

Yeah I'm in the U.S. (Maryland). Did you not hear that online gambling is now legal in the U.S.? I think it just pass the 30 day mark, so now it's legal. I read it. I have to check again. Can anyone else confirm?

then you need a decent bankroll and several books, including the exchanges and the means to move funds around quickly ... if you're in the US you have a major problem on that score unless you live in Vegas

[Hareeba!]

Yeah I'm in the U.S. (Maryland). Did you not hear that online gambling is now legal in the U.S.? I think it just pass the 30 day mark, so now it's legal. I read it. I have to check again. Can anyone else confirm?

sports betting ?

yeah, I think you'd better check that !

[thealfa]

both allow U.S. customers right? Do they have ridiculous rules like "before withdrawing any funds you must have 10x rollover of your deposit"? Say, I put in $200, I must have that times 10=$2000? for me to withdraw any funds or it will be forfeited. Bet Phoenix is like this. It's almost like before you could even win and withdraw any money (so you get confident and trust the company), it would all be lost by then (by getting overconfident and betting on bad bets).

imho there are only 2 worthy of being rated A+

the key elements are:
1. safety of funds and fast payouts, preferably fee free
2. odds comparable with the best in the market on a wide range of events
3. high (or no ) staking limits

the top two qualifiers are BetFair and Pinnacle

[Hareeba!]

both allow U.S. customers right? Do they have ridiculous rules like "before withdrawing any funds you must have 10x rollover of your deposit"? Say, I put in $200, I must have that times 10=$2000? for me to withdraw any funds or it will be forfeited. Bet Phoenix is like this. It's almost like before you could even win and withdraw any money (so you get confident and trust the company), it would all be lost by then (by getting overconfident and betting on bad bets).

No!

If you are in the US you can't use either Betfair or Pinnacle.

And to the best of my knowledge there is no rollover requirement. Certainly not a multiple like you quote, but I find it not at all unreasonable if they require a x1 rollover if they've had to pay CC or e-wallet fees on your deposit and then give you a free payout.

[thealfa]

just found out myself, neither allowed U.S. customers.
I could go for the few A+ only: 5Dimes, Bet Jamaica, The Greek, Legends, Bookmaker, Diamond... they allow U.S. residents.

Anyone here with experiences with those 6 A+ sportsbooks?

imho there are only 2 worthy of being rated A+

the key elements are:
1. safety of funds and fast payouts, preferably fee free
2. odds comparable with the best in the market on a wide range of events
3. high (or no ) staking limits

the top two qualifiers are BetFair and Pinnacle

[Hareeba!]

just found out myself, neither allowed U.S. customers.
I could go for the few A+ only: 5Dimes, Bet Jamaica, The Greek, Legends, Bookmaker, Diamond... they allow U.S. residents.

Anyone here with experiences with those 6 A+ sportsbooks?

Yes, I've played at all of those bar Legends and to have them on the same rating as Betfair and Pinnacle is just pure laughable.

But beggars can't be choosers and you are probably best served out of those by 5D (but choose low juice rather than bonus) and Greek. Bookmaker and DSI have crap odds and low limits on anything non-US. BetJam is basically for recreational players but gives them a good ride.

But be warned that 5D will limit you very severely and put you on delay if you show any talent.

[thealfa]

OSGA (offshore gambling association) mentioned Bet Jamaica as having one of the best when it comes to horse racing.

Yes, I've played at all of those bar Legends and to have them on the same rating as Betfair and Pinnacle is just pure laughable.

But beggars can't be choosers and you are probably best served out of those by 5D (but choose low juice rather than bonus) and Greek. Bookmaker and DSI have crap odds and low limits on anything non-US. BetJam is basically for recreational players but gives them a good ride.

But be warned that 5D will limit you very severely and put you on delay if you show any talent.

[erickvivar]

It will depend on how much money they want to put here for advertisement. So dont read too much on those rates.

[leon]

Fast payouts,no limits,and many props makes a Book A+.

[thealfa]

i thought they trade banner ads?

It will depend on how much money they want to put here for advertisement. So dont read too much on those rates.