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    wagerweb opinions

    anybody got any problems with wagerweb??.. i used them last year with no major problems other than mayb a little longer than wanted wait for payout but posd to have fixed that..just curious if i should stay with them or if there are any better books out there...

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    Word on the street is that WagerWeb hired Jamie from BetonSports. If he's working over there now, that's not a good thing.

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    Yes is working over there I dont know who he is but I spoke to him. He can be found on live chat at their web site. Who is he?

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    First off, Welcome to the SBR forum sir

    WagerWeb has a few outstanding complaints levied against them in 2008. However, here is the one dispute that stood out the most. My advice would be to play at a top tier book like BetJamaica or ThePig.

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    Their lines are bad. If you win they will cut your limits - possibly in the middle of a rollover. They have also had an increasing tendency to confiscate players' winnings. They have lies on their website about payout methods they offer. They have been slow-paying with the methods they actually do support lately.

    You talk about using them last year. They have gotten much worse since then.

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    Wagerweb has a lot of disputes involving identity fraud. They are very aggressive in these situations. If you played there before, and you open a new account (either to collect a bonus, or to circumvent player specific limits), they will catch you.

    I've looked at these situations very closely, and in each of these situations, they have been fair.

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    I received my same day payouts all on the same day. I received a wire in 3 or 4 days, and fed ex check in 3 business days. Besides the guy who reported the Neteller issue a month ago you haven't seen people complain about slow payments.

    Yes, you could find better odds, but I think they give good bonuses. Sometimes you sacrifice one thing for another.


    They have good racebook payout limits and the rewards program is good.

    I personally think Jamie is great at what he does and is one of the reasons why they get my business. This is my experience.

    Mudcat seemed to have summarized the 4 complaints or so that have been posted over the last year about Wagerweb.

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    Jamie was a friendly gentlemen at BOS but not player-friendly when it came to the kind of sharp player disputes BOS and WW had. Maybe that page has been turned.

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    robmpink probably work there..

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    peace robmpink.

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    In 2008, I won about $40,000 from WagerWeb, went to collect and they refused to pay - you can read the whole story on this website - trust me! Get out of this awful sportsbook. The people that run this place are fools - if the people that run this place used to work at BOS - that should tell you how pathetic they are. How much money does BOS owe the public? Also, if you ever win and have to deal with anybody in management of WagerWeb it is one of the worst experiences you will ever go through - horrible people to work with. Funny part is they think they are experts - I know someone who doesn't know anything about sportsbetting that won over $200,000 from BOS three years ago - it's a great story -

    If you don't care about my opinion, maybe you will listen to SBR - read BIGBOYDAN's "advice" above, an employee of SBR, he is telling you the books you should be playing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmpink View Post
    Besides the guy who reported the Neteller issue a month ago you haven't seen people complain about slow payments.

    Flat-out wrong. I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to soft peddle WW's sleaziness but I certainly have seen those complaints. They are slow-paying right now.

    Anyone who signs up believing WW's published claim they do Moneybookers payouts will wait indefinitely - it doesn't get any slower than that - and they are slow-paying by other methods RIGHT NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post
    Flat-out wrong. I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to soft peddle WW's sleaziness but I certainly have seen those complaints. They are slow-paying right now.

    Anyone who signs up believing WW's published claim they do Moneybookers payouts will wait indefinitely - it doesn't get any slower than that - and they are slow-paying by other methods RIGHT NOW.
    I agree - Wager Web has been in the wrong when it comes to payout options. They list Moneybookers as an option, but won't pay out that way on demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post
    Flat-out wrong. I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to soft peddle WW's sleaziness but I certainly have seen those complaints. They are slow-paying right now.

    Anyone who signs up believing WW's published claim they do Moneybookers payouts will wait indefinitely - it doesn't get any slower than that - and they are slow-paying by other methods RIGHT NOW.
    I'm not trying to peddle anything. I don't care about neteller, Moneybookers, whatever. I have no experience w/ it.

    I can say that wire, **/**, and fed ex were delivered quickly.

    Personally, play there or don't play there. No skin off my back.

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    Their MLB lines are 20 cents and crap. You can find some values on the 5-inning lines, but not many. Don't get too much of your roll in there. Definitely tougher to deal with in '08 than '07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmpink View Post
    I can say that wire, **/**, and fed ex were delivered quickly.
    Maybe they have been at times in the past but they are slow paying right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post
    Maybe they have been at times in the past but they are slow paying right now.
    Within the past couple of months, no problem with the methods I noted. I didn't get a payout in June or July so I can't speak for this time.

    I can honestly tell you I feel that if I had the opportunity to make a withdrawl today using the methods I mentioned there wouldn't be a problem. Hey anything is possible and lets say I had a problem, I would be right here passing it along to everyone.

    My experience w/ WW hasn't always been sunshine and lollipops, but most of the problems were with soccer lines not being posted and other small things.

    Also, I'm not a "sharp" player so I have less to worry about.
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    Wagerweb is awful - it is unanimouos (except for one person).....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!! View Post
    Wagerweb is awful - it is unanimouos (except for one person).....
    Such an in depth review. All five of us.

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    With so many books not paying...

    Wagerweb does one thing right, pays its players within 24-48hrs. In this current environment you have to appreciate that (well unless your WWS) Plus, they have tons of betting options.

    On the flip side; they offer a .20 line in baseball. I can't post-up until football for that simple fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmpink View Post
    I can honestly tell you I feel that if I had the opportunity to make a withdrawl today using the methods I mentioned there wouldn't be a problem. Hey anything is possible and lets say I had a problem, I would be right here passing it along to everyone.

    I don't know how to make it any clearer to you. Wager Web is in slow pay mode using those methods RIGHT NOW. People have been waiting for weeks.





    Quote Originally Posted by St.Aquinas View Post
    Wagerweb does one thing right, pays its players within 24-48hrs.

    If they did that, there would only be 9 things wrong with them, not 10. But they don't do that. They are in slow pay mode right now.



    You guys think I'm lying? With Justin's help I could prove it to you. You guys interested in the truth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post
    I don't know how to make it any clearer to you. Wager Web is in slow pay mode using those methods RIGHT NOW. People have been waiting for weeks.








    If they did that, there would only be 9 things wrong with them, not 10. But they don't do that. They are in slow pay mode right now.



    You guys think I'm lying? With Justin's help I could prove it to you. You guys interested in the truth?

    Why wouldn't you post what you think is the truth? As far as I know there was a problem with the Neteller and Moneybookers thing. Usually people post there slow pay experiences.

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    I'm not aware of any slow-pay complaints against Wagerweb right now. They did have an issue with Moneybookers - they refused to pay out in that method, despite their website listing that as available. They did, however, offer to pay the player in numerous other methods.

    From a player's perspective, it's a pain in the butt to move money around. I don't want to take a ** withdrawal when I expect my money to stay in moneybookers. Wager Web needs to either make this a reasonable payout method, or remove it from its site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    I'm not aware of any slow-pay complaints against Wagerweb right now. They did have an issue with Moneybookers - they refused to pay out in that method, despite their website listing that as available. They did, however, offer to pay the player in numerous other methods.

    From a player's perspective, it's a pain in the butt to move money around. I don't want to take a ** withdrawal when I expect my money to stay in moneybookers. Wager Web needs to either make this a reasonable payout method, or remove it from its site.
    I concur with your statement. Maybe Mudcat could let the cat out of the bag with the slowpays. He did mention in an earlier reply to me that other methods besides Neteller and Moneybooker have been slow paid. I haven't heard of any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    I don't want to take a ** withdrawal when I expect my money to stay in moneybookers. Wager Web needs to either make this a reasonable payout method, or remove it from its site.
    A very good point, Justin. It just comes across as being outright decietful when a book has a claim on their website that is not at all truthful. In my viewpoint, it basically comes down to the fact that they are either lying and simply don't care, or for some reason are unable to change their website, for months on end it would appear, which makes one wonder how incredibly incompetent the book in question is.

    I don't have an account at WW, so have no issues of my own, but it bothers me when books don't address a situation like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmpink View Post
    Why wouldn't you post what you think is the truth? As far as I know there was a problem with the Neteller and Moneybookers thing. Usually people post there slow pay experiences.

    I have repeatedly posted what I know is the truth. WW is slow-paying right now. I talk to many players all the time and at least two of them have been waiting for weeks for cheques.

    A better question would be why you are working so hard to soft-peddle/spin/defend them. Even if they did pay promptly they are so crappy in so many other ways, they are not worth any neutral player's loyalty.

    Here is my question for you: if it is proven that they are currently slow-paying, will you come here and admit they suck and stop defending them?

    It is not true at all by the way that people usually post their slow-pay experiences. They often avoid any public discussion of it while it is happening. Very common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    I'm not aware of any slow-pay complaints against Wagerweb right now. They did have an issue with Moneybookers - they refused to pay out in that method, despite their website listing that as available. They did, however, offer to pay the player in numerous other methods.

    From a player's perspective, it's a pain in the butt to move money around. I don't want to take a ** withdrawal when I expect my money to stay in moneybookers. Wager Web needs to either make this a reasonable payout method, or remove it from its site.

    Well they are slow-paying by methods other than Moneybookers/Neteller right now. I would start by asking you a simple, small favor. You obviously have contacts there. Ask them if they are slow-paying right now.

    Either they will confirm what I say or we will catch them lying to SBR. I don't know that catching them lying to SBR will do much good in a practical sense but it would be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post
    Well they are slow-paying by methods other than Moneybookers/Neteller right now. I would start by asking you a simple, small favor. You obviously have contacts there. Ask them if they are slow-paying right now.

    Either they will confirm what I say or we will catch them lying to SBR. I don't know that catching them lying to SBR will do much good in a practical sense but it would be fun.
    Mudcat,

    Do you know of a specific slow-pay issue? If there is, I want to know about it. Either fill out a complaint form, or PM me. I do have contacts there, and if there is a problem, I can confirm or disaffirm it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post

    It is not true at all by the way that people usually post their slow-pay experiences. They often avoid any public discussion of it while it is happening. Very common.
    And even afterwards, because it's very easy with a few details to link accounts to forum persona's.

    (For the record, I have no contemporary experience with WW)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcat View Post
    I have repeatedly posted what I know is the truth. WW is slow-paying right now. I talk to many players all the time and at least two of them have been waiting for weeks for cheques.

    A better question would be why you are working so hard to soft-peddle/spin/defend them. Even if they did pay promptly they are so crappy in so many other ways, they are not worth any neutral player's loyalty.

    Here is my question for you: if it is proven that they are currently slow-paying, will you come here and admit they suck and stop defending them?

    It is not true at all by the way that people usually post their slow-pay experiences. They often avoid any public discussion of it while it is happening. Very common.
    Ok, hopefully this could answer your questions. I'll be as elementry as possible. #1 The reason why I defend WagerWeb. This is due to my good experience with them. Lets say you played at a c or d book and a poster creates a post asking if anyone likes them. You played with them and had a good experience. Chances are you would post your experience. This is what I did. Pretty simple.

    #2 You know of two people being slow paid via check. That is great, but vague. Possibly there is more to the story. It seems you thought Justin was able to supply some info to back up your claims, but that wasn't the case. Really if you show me an e-mail from your pal Pierre and Byron saying they are being slow paid it means nothing. For all we now they could have had multiple accounts at the same isp and it is being looked at.

    #3 I can't argue that they have great odds the best betting menu, etc. As I mentioned in an earlier post I like them because of #1 great bonus, #2 rewards club (I get $2 for every $100 bet in sports, $1 for every $125 in the casino, and maybe $6.50 for every $100 bet on horses). This can be redeemed for freeplay funds. I get 3 free payouts a month. That money is deducted from real money and put in the freeplay balance. Many books eliminated real money bonuses two years ago and shifted everything to free play. It was a way to offset the industry getting slammed. When I went back to WW last September I was pissed that the bonuses were freeplay. It changed from the prior year. I remember when I played in casino tournaments the prior year and won a couple. The winnings $1,500, $900 was real money. So yeah things aren't the same but this is what the books are doing now. If I'm getting a 30% reload when I deposit, it kind of takes the sting out of 20 cent baseball lines. If I'm playing let it ride in the casino for 5 hours with $5 hands with a total of $100,000 played, I look forward to getting $800 in free play money the next day, especially if I lost. Why would I play at betjam and betcris where I could get a casino bonus on my losses only? Also, why would I play horses at thegreek and bet jam to have a 300-1 cap max or $600 max winnings on pick 3's and 4's? At wagerweb the payout max is almost comparable if not more with Cris on pick 3's and 4's.

    Hopefully you have a better sense of why I like it. Until I hear/see more reports of slow pays with some facts I will feel the same way.

    Like the majority of gamblers, I don't usually end up in the black. I have my streaks and win, but usually the books make out. If I am going to play, why wouldn't I play at the place where I get the best bang for my buck? The bonuses, horse payouts, and rewards club extend my gambling funds. Why would I play at 5 Dimes, The Greek, etc and get about 1/10th the extras that I get? I could bank on it there are many satisfied players like me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santo View Post
    And even afterwards, because it's very easy with a few details to link accounts to forum persona's.

    (For the record, I have no contemporary experience with WW)
    No, I agree with Mudcat and you on this. Taking a more diplomatic approach is the best. Obviosly he has more gambling buddies than I do, but you can't always believe everything you hear.

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    Wagerweb SUCKS! I have never seen a "player" be so passionate about defending a sportsbook - you are a very good employee of Wagerweb......

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    Quote Originally Posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!! View Post
    Wagerweb SUCKS! I have never seen a "player" be so passionate about defending a sportsbook - you are a very good employee of Wagerweb......
    Do you know what a player even is, scammer? Maybe if you actually tried playing at a book instead of scamming you would understand.

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