View Poll Results: What grade book would try to pull this?

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  1. #1
    Frank
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    What grade book would do something like this?

    An overnight baseball game between Milwaukee and Arizona with listed pitchers as D BUSCH and D DAVIS.

    A bet is made on the game and 2 hours later an email is sent saying:

    Dear customer

    Your wager on baseball milwaukee at arizona for Monday June 30 has been cancelled due to a spelling error for the milwaukee listed pitcher, a new contest will be available for wagering shortly.


    A new number is posted with the pitcher name D BUSH.

    It is not the same number that I originally bet and the number that I had is not available anywhere else.

    They obviously did not want that action and came up with an excuse to void the wager.

    D BUSH is the only player on the Brewers roster with the name BUSH so it couldn't have been any sort of confusion.


    What grade book do you think would try to do something like this?

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    SIA used to list a Jake Peavey, but they never voided any bets over it (sorry if I give them ideas here). The only other MLB player with a similar name is Brian Buscher (3B twins). Obvious shenanigans here.

    Now, it's possible that the software won't let them edit the pitcher's name without voiding all bets, but then they should have just used a game note. I'd be curious to see what happened to bets on the other side and bets that were "Action". If I bet that overnight as action (not that I ever would intentionally), and then got the price changed for the same pitchers.. wow. If they didn't update the price on "Action" wagers, they have absolutely no grounds to void your bet- and if they did, that's probably even worse.

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    hope you name the book after the poll

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    This should be a valid claim

    There are dozens of times where text errors may occur where its obvious what was meant without any doubt. They simply should have this noted in their general rules about team names (and pitcher names) where it is clear the intent. In Fact, where team names are derived from nations that may, perhaps, not even use letters in their language - such as Asia, this lame excuse could be claimed for any event wheer the line manager may not want his position.

    Please, name the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlyn View Post
    There are dozens of times where text errors may occur where its obvious what was meant without any doubt. They simply should have this noted in their general rules about team names (and pitcher names) where it is clear the intent....
    Excellent post.

    Unfortunately in this shot taking world a guy will see a misspelled name and load up a bet. If he wins, no problem. If he loses he claims the wrong pitcher pitched and demands the wager canceled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John View Post
    Excellent post.

    Unfortunately in this shot taking world a guy will see a misspelled name and load up a bet. If he wins, no problem. If he loses he claims the wrong pitcher pitched and demands the wager canceled.
    Do they void all bets in Japanese or Korean baseball or Pakistani or Indian cricket? If they can spell English names how do they do with foreign names. This is the lamest excuse I ever heard John.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John View Post
    Excellent post.

    Unfortunately in this shot taking world a guy will see a misspelled name and load up a bet. If he wins, no problem. If he loses he claims the wrong pitcher pitched and demands the wager canceled.

    There doesn't need to be a rule for this, its common sense.

    And yes I will name the book after I get more opinions.

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    I happen to think its perfectly within reason to cancel the action. Listed pitchers means listed pitchers. If misspelled pitchers were a common occurance with the book and the action was not cancelled in certain instances, then I would certainly question their intentions. However, it seems that this is a fairly isolated event and I have no problem with them cancelling the action since the misspelling could provide advantage to those who are looking to take shots. Just as I don't agree with a book's ability to take shots, I don't agree with players taking shots either. It is the appropriate course of action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    I happen to think its perfectly within reason to cancel the action. Listed pitchers means listed pitchers. If misspelled pitchers were a common occurance with the book and the action was not cancelled in certain instances, then I would certainly question their intentions. However, it seems that this is a fairly isolated event and I have no problem with them cancelling the action since the misspelling could provide advantage to those who are looking to take shots. Just as I don't agree with a book's ability to take shots, I don't agree with players taking shots either. It is the appropriate course of action.
    It came back with a new number though.

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    Every time I think of something like this happening. I can't help but to remember this case involving Sportsbook.com back in 2007.

    9/11/2007 11:19 PM
    sportsbook.com (SBR rating D+) and sister Jazette Sportsbooks tell players that an error in Sunday's pitcher listing will cost them their winning bets. Players have reported a turnaround of $20,000 in their accounts.

    Player: So I bet (BET ID=*********) the Sunday Night Baseball game on September 9th, 2007 between the Cleveland Indians and the Anaheim Angels. This is how they listed the game: Indians(Cleveland) Laffey Angels(Anaheim) JefWeaver. Now at the time, I didn't even realize that you guys had listed Jeff Weaver instead of Jared Weaver. I mean why would anyone pay attention to that since Jeff Weaver is not even on the team anymore? Obviously they meant Jared Weaver. Anyway, so the Indians won and I got my money. Now it's Monday and sportsbook.com took away my winnings and no-actioned my bet because now they are saying that they listed the wrong pitcher! You can't be serious right? I can MAYBE understand if Jeff Weaver WAS ACTUALLY ON THE ANGELS. But he's not and obviously they meant to say Jared Weaver, who is actually on the Angels. Basically, they trying to no action my bet for a TYPO mistake that they made. Obviously I'm pretty upset about this. Like I said, I can understand if Jeff Weaver was on the Angels and they made the mistake of listing him. If that was the case, then, I agree, all bets should be no actioned. But this is a case where Jeff is not even on the Angels and it was a honest typo mistake on their part. There is no way this bet should have been no actioned. Their response was that they had the wrong line because they capped the game with Jeff Weaver pitching, which is absolutely ludicris. He's not even on the Angels, how can they cap the game based on a pitcher that is not even on the team? I am forwarding you an email that they sent me. Can you do anything to help me?

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    It's a good thing the Molina brothers don't pitch.. I can't keep them all straight

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveteamer View Post
    It came back with a new number though.
    That is actually the common procedure when relisting a game, at least in Vegas sportsbooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rake922 View Post
    It's a good thing the Molina brothers don't pitch.. I can't keep them all straight

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    Exactly BBD. This presents the opportunity for either side to take a shot after the outcome of the game. Since it was no-actioned in a timely manner previous to the start of the contest, this is the only fair course of action. I see absolutely no problem with it.

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    the Weaver thing is a little different if you are not following baseball too closely, since he did play for the team like a month earlier

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    That is actually the common procedure when relisting a game, at least in Vegas sportsbooks.

    It was not a pitching change.

    The name was spelled incorrectly....D BUSCH instead of D BUSH

    There is no confusion since he is the only BUSH on the roster.

    Its not like its Kyle and Kurt here


    And BBD.......Sportsbook is a D- book

    These type of antics happen at D- books

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    The game was relisted. It is the same procedure as a pitching change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Exactly BBD. This presents the opportunity for either side to take a shot after the outcome of the game. Since it was no-actioned in a timely manner previous to the start of the contest, this is the only fair course of action. I see absolutely no problem with it.

    The bet was cancelled 20 hours before the game.

    They put up a new number that was not the number I had.

    I ended up betting the same game at a 10 cent worse number at a different book.

    The outcome was the same.

    A fair course of action is not cancelling a bet where both parties knew who was pitching and the bookmaker no longer wanted the action at the previous number.

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    The reason Sportsbook.com is a D- book, along with their past payout issues, is the fact that they didn't do exactly what was done in your circumstance. They didn't cancel the action previous to the start of the game. Instead, they took a shot at the players. Would you rather let the book freeroll against you? Or would you rather have them cancel the action and let you place your wager in a fair betting environment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    The bet was cancelled 20 hours before the game.

    They put up a new number that was not the number I had.

    I ended up betting the same game at a 10 cent worse number at a different book.

    The outcome was the same.

    A fair course of action is not cancelling a bet where both parties knew who was pitching and the bookmaker no longer wanted the action at the previous number.
    When you say "number" I assume you mean the betting number on the game. You mean the line changed. Of course the line changed. That's what lines do. You at least have the option of betting the game again. I hope you realize that you don't HAVE to bet the side again since you're not getting the overnight line anymore. What do you propose they do? They can't change your ticket once its submitted. They can only cancel the action. What do you think is fair that doesn't allow either side to take a shot?

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    I just looked at my pending wagers at this book.

    A bet I made just last night NYY with CHAMBRLAIN

    I just sent them an email.

    Now not one single person can tell me they are not sure who is the listed pitcher here.

    We will see what they decide to do here since the number i have is also 10 cents better than what they currently have.

    Also in a womens tennis match, this morning, which I did not bet, they misspelled Agnieszka Radwanska.

    It was spelled Agniezka Radwanska.

    I am sure everyone knew what was meant.

    I wonder if they voided all those wagers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    When you say "number" I assume you mean the betting number on the game. You mean the line changed. Of course the line changed. That's what lines do. You at least have the option of betting the game again. I hope you realize that you don't HAVE to bet the side again since you're not getting the overnight line anymore. What do you propose they do? They can't change your ticket once its submitted. They can only cancel the action. What do you think is fair that doesn't allow either side to take a shot?

    What I propose they do is not cancel wagers that they do not want due to technicalities. Boths sides know what was meant.

    If a book lists a team as Clevland Indians, and takes heavy action on one side of the game, is it OK in your eyes if they cancel all wagers and put up a different number if its before the game?

    This gives books ways to get out of games they don't want.

    Everyone knows what team that is.

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    are we talking about sportsbook.com here, frank?

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    Ignore the case of voiding the bet for the time being. If the player had bet Action, and received the new (worse) price with the spelling change, does anybody disupte that he'd have a valid complaint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by picoman View Post
    are we talking about sportsbook.com here, frank?

    No

    But i hope this book isn't going to start resorting to these type of things


    My bet was not an action bet but yes they definately would have a valid complaint which would bring up a whole new issue

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    So who is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Richard View Post
    So who is it?

    I know...just tell us who it is or stop bitching about it.

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    I was waiting to hear back from them about how they would handle my NYY bet before I posted the name of the book.




    Dear Customer,

    An incorrectly spelt name is different to an incorrect name, and as you stated there is only one Bush on the team. Based on this we made the decision to adjust customers accounts.

    After checking the outcome of the game your wager would have been refunded as the total was 9. We assumed as it did not make a difference in your account for the wager was already cancelled and refunded that your account was fine. We apologize for making this assumption.

    Your wager listed below will not be cancelled.

    We apologize for the late response.

    Regards,
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    WSEX misspells pitchers names and tennis players constantly.

    Cancelling wagers for misspelled words is a big deal if it is obvious to everyone what the intent is

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcowley View Post
    Ignore the case of voiding the bet for the time being. If the player had bet Action, and received the new (worse) price with the spelling change, does anybody disupte that he'd have a valid complaint?
    If he has Action it wouldnt matter if they listed the pitcher as George W Bush. But if there is a real change of pitcher there will be a change in price.

    Its a fair complaint for the .10. The player has a fair gripe. Since he bet listed he should have kept the price just as those who bet Action would of and probably did.

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    SBR John is right; a simple misspelling of a pitcher's name isn't a reason for a Book to change its lines or cancel bets. If the team name is misspelled, ie Chicano Bears, can a bet be voided too? It comes down to the line being right, and the bettors understanding whom their betting.

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    Agreed. Glad this one looks like a one-time blip.

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