[erickvivar]

"I was with Bet Phoenix before SBR knew who they were and put them in the review and ranking. Back then they were not a scam even though nobody on sbr knew who they were or heard of them. Right now they are still not a scam. A no name book a couple of years ago puts in a name now and is ranked B+ here. They have treated players fairly. I don't play at books just because they are supported or sponsored by sbr. I play at books because I have read reviews from not just sbr but many other website to see if a book a positive or have had many good experience.

Back up your claim. I am not trying to fight with you but you made a post with no proof. I hate when people say something and other believe it just because a person says it without no proof.

Anyways back to the topic
Yes it does suck that you have to go with ** if you are black listed."

Great post, and a very fair statement. SBR is just like any other site, they make money out of the books paying them, and there is nothing wrong about it, so yeah, they will move to the tree that gives them a nice shade.

[RonPaul2008]

Not impossible at all, they will get you a xxxxx for 2k inside of 10 days and you won't be charged a thing (free once a month).

[RonPaul2008]

none of these problems with heritage. cheesy books like bet phoenix, bet jamaica, sportsjam should be avoided like the plague.

BetJamaica is as safe as they come. What is your problem with them?

[wisky]

been that way at betjam for a while. one ** one ** per 7 days

But BETJM allows a 2500.00 withdrawal via **

[ClimbSomeRocks]

I was paid via ** within 48 hours. Cost me a 30$ fee but well worth it imo

[RickySteve]

I'll give you 50c on the dollar for your balance and save you from this scam book.

[jimmy007oc]

I just request paid out yesterday @ BP, then i got my money today, within 24 hours. Nothing wrong w/ there payment IMO.

[liamalan]

Out from BetPhoenix since 1 year,: i was right!!!!

[Monte]

I'll give you 50c on the dollar for your balance and save you from this scam book.

Of course you would, but that is not the point...what does B+ mean again?
Not the hassle that Betphx puts many ppl through, i think.

[Fishhead]

Not impossible at all, they will get you a check for 2k inside of 10 days and you won't be charged a thing (free once a month).

Requested two this way........neither arrived in 10 days or less from time of request.

In day NINE of my 3rd payout currently and doubt seriously that it will arrive by tommorrow.

[Thremp]

Lets see some things that changed:

1) Market to pros. Now people have 45s delays and $100 limits....
2) -105.... What happened to that? I consider that straight up thievery. -105 is not a promotion. It would be akin to saying that any book could deal -110 to people and then one day flip the switch to -120. Completely ridiculous, but somehow -110 has been so ingrained into everyone's mind that anything beyond that is a deal.
3) Restricting withdrawal policies. No xfers. Limiting cashouts per week. Neteller payouts consistently being reduced (4k - 3k - 2.5k)

For SBR involvement. Check frontpage, check forum. I'm sure I can gather up factual evidence of a half dozen people being slow paid. It appears contacting SBR is one of the few ways to actually get paid.

[sq764]

why are they rated high? all i see is complaints about them

[IrishTim]

The next Pinnacle, ladies and gentlemen.

[Fishhead]

The next Pinnacle, ladies and gentlemen.

Meaning what, they will not be serving the U.S. punter soon?

[hockey216]

have them mail you a xxxxx

[RonPaul2008]

Requested two this way........neither arrived in 10 days or less from time of request.

In day NINE of my 3rd payout currently and doubt seriously that it will arrive by tommorrow.

Got one very recently inside of 10 days...either way, you will get it and it won't be terribly long.
Been slowly been lowering my balance since wager delay/limit cut/line set juice change and have not had a problem with the free payouts at all.

[katstale]

Got a xxxx in the works now. Usually arrives in 1 to 2 days. yes, I would love occasional Neteller withdraw, but I can live with the alternative payouts. They still offer some of the most opinionated lines around--whether 105 or 110. If my limits were higher I would be wagering huge there every day. Never been concerned abt their bankroll. We spar over other things, but Richard has been helpful and I owe him a few drinks. Dinner too, if my limits could creep up!! lol

Disclaimer: I am on delay, no bonus and limits.

[ForgetWallStreet]

Got a xxxx in the works now.

That's great for you, but they don't do these for anyone else.

[RonPaul2008]

How does one get a xxxx from them and what if the max and the fee?

[katstale]

I have no idea if my situation is different from others. I am not wiring to USA. Usually 4k max per xxxx and fees seem to be around $50. Checks won't work for me due to non-existent mail service

[John Dough]

Not impossible at all, they will get you a xxxxx for 2k inside of 10 days and you won't be charged a thing (free once a month).

This has been my experience as well. Will likely request another one on Monday (waiting for 30 days to have passed).

[magynuck]

i wish i only had a 45 sec delay and could bet a $100 a game
i would be happy to pay $200 for **

[Absolutelyonfire]

If you win 20K here, it will take you at least 6 months to pull your balance out, and you'll give back 10% in fees in the process. How is this not considered a slow pay?

took me 4 months to get close to 20K out of them. Will never go back. BP is a joke when it comes to withdrawals. They also cut my limits to $500 per game maximum and then have the nerve to call me asking me to re-deposit funds

[katstale]

Oh man, I beg them once a week for $500 a game max wager lolol guess I am not so special after all.

[ForgetWallStreet]

Oh man, I beg them once a week for $500 a game max wager lolol guess I am not so special after all.

Yes, you are. You can get xxxxx and have limits 5x higher than those of other winners.

[katstale]

Yes, you are. You can get xxxxx and have limits 5x higher than those of other winners.

My limit is 250 a game. Is that 5x higher than most? I did hear of some $100 limits but didn't hear of the $50 limt. If I am the only one who can get xxxxx--then I accept my exceptionality.

As for your assertion to my winning ways--I will neither confirm nor deny. I can, however, see the Pacific beach in between wagers.

[austin]

book charging for moneybookers withdrawals and imposing withdrawal limits??? they are gradually becoming another betus

[Doug]

Meaning what, they will not be serving the U.S. punter soon?

I highly doubt that, Fishhead.

US must be the 90% of there players, right ?

[Eagle1958]

I have withdrawn 4 times in 1 week at wagerweb using **. Only had to use 4 different names and there were no problems at all.

[sq764]

Yes. $100 a pop, $200 max, takes about a month for it to arrive at your door from the time of request. Fun times.



Why are the rules of their processors so much different from those of literally every other book I play at?

holy s hit are you serious??

[LVHerbie]

Requested two this way........neither arrived in 10 days or less from time of request.

In day NINE of my 3rd payout currently and doubt seriously that it will arrive by tommorrow.

Fishhead, what was the time frame on the first two?

Need to a cashout but will be traveling in a couple weeks so I guess I will eat the ** fees as it doesn't sound like you can trust the 10 day time frame...

[MBENZ]

Where is Richard lately?Couldn't shut him up when they first came on the scene,now he is nowhere to be found.I will not deposit there again after my last fiasco with them and from reading lately I'm glad I got out.

[betphoenix]

I am here MBENZ...how can I help you?

[Money]

ive gotten a ** and a ** from the for the max the past two days. both received a day after requested. I will continue to play with bp. so far has been nothing but good to me.

[MBENZ]

I am here MBENZ...how can I help you?

You can't,been there,done that.