[JELLYBEAN]

I never understood how so many of you can't find a good local to get you into a few books. Anybook starting up now trying to take post up is basically going to steal ur money. My locals pay me on monday mornings. Without getting into it to in depth, a good local will give you anything you want if ur a good client. Sharps get treated the same everywhere. If your a regular guy ur local will give you reduced juice or any other option any of these offshores are offering. And yes, most locals use one of the pay per head services so you will be able to bet online and have a zillion betting options. And I repeat, there are plenty on good honest bookmakers all over. Not hard to find. Give up on these post up scams, NONE of them every sat and wrote business in the old days. They are all CON-ARTISTS.

My 2 cents

take care

[bigboydan]

I've been playing with my locals mainly ever since [iSBRFORUM]Pinnacle[/iSBRFORUM] cut off U.S. players, however I do respectfully disagree that all offshore books are bad news. I feel that books like Pinnacle, BookMaker, TheGreek, and Wsex will treat there players very fairly.

[cinpls081]

Bigboydan I think you are missing the point. At some point they all become "bad." Maybe its not even there fault IMO. US Government has a lot to do with it good books become bad in a hurry.

Also these places don't want real action anymore come on, capped at 100, 200 500 dollars? Locals pay if you want to play for 50 or 100 just play staight plays with locals. You don't get ml's etc but who cares at then end of the day at least you get paid if you win.

[LT Profits]

And if the local gets busted, you are shit out of luck! I'd much rather play with an A rated offshore book than an ILLEGAL local. Think about it:


In most states, if you are placing bets with A rated books that are operating legally within their countries, no one is breaking any laws no matter what the US Government wants you to believe. In most states, placing bets online is not illegal.

[junkman773]

Here is a little info about this. I have both local and off shore accounts but always play bigger local. Just the way I like to do it.

The legality of Internet gambling can appear to be a complex issue for residents of the United States and for good reason. It is. There are disagreements regarding what the law actually says and until those are cleared up, the picture is always going to be a bit cloudy. To better understand the legality question, it's best to look back at some history of anti-gambling legislation.
The Interstate Wire Act of 1961
For a number of years the United States argued against the legality of Internet gambling by citing the Interstate Wire Act, which was passed to prohibit sports gambling between states by using the telephone or other wire-containing devices. As the Internet had yet to be invented, a number of legal experts questioned if the law pertained to the Internet or not.
The other question that arose from the Wire Act was if it pertained to all forms of gambling or just wagering on sporting events.
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In 2002, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a ruling in Louisiana that dismissed a lawsuit brought by two Internet gamblers against credit card companies after running up debts by placing bets on casino games. In the dismissal, the court ruled the Wire Act was only pertinent to sporting events.
The United States Justice Department saw things differently, however, and claimed the Wire Act related to all forms of Internet gambling. The U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Louisiana agreed. In dismissing a 2004 case against the Justice Department brought by the operators of Casino City, a website that serves as a portal to gambling sites, the court stated, "The government's interest is specifically directed towards the advertising of illegal activity, namely Internet gambling..." The 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals upheld the dismissal.
The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006
Just before taking recess in 2006, Congress passed the SAFE Port Act, which was written to increase security of U.S. Port, but attached to the SAFE Port Act was the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, which prohibits Americans from using ************, electronic funds transfers, or checks to to finance Internet gambling activity.
It's important to note, the act deals only with how Internet gambling accounts are funded, not the actual betting. After passage of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, Lawrence Walters, an Internet gambling law attorney, appeared on PBS' NewsHour show and stated, "The bill has no impact on the individual player's activity. The bill is centered on restricting certain financial transactions, requiring that banks identify and block transactions going through their servers and their systems, and requiring that the actual sites, the Internet gambling sites, stop and block these transactions."Keith Whyte, the executive director of the National Council of Problem Gambling, appeared on the same show as Walters and agreed with his statement, saying "The bill is interesting, in that it doesn't make gambling on the Internet illegal. It makes funding your wager on the Internet illegal. The financial transaction is what is criminalized here, not necessarily the state of play."
More Legislative Action
In 2007, Rep. Barney Frank introduced the Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act, seeking to legalize Internet gambling, and Rep. James McDermott introduced the Internet Gambling Regulation and Tax Enforcement Act, which some called a companion bill to the one introduced by Rep. Frank. Rep. McDermott's bill deals with how to regulate online betting sites and how to collect a tax on all wagers made.
In November, 2007, McDermott announced that an independent account firm had estimated the United States could take in $3.1 billion to $15.2 billion in revenue by regulating Internet gambling in the first five years, and between $8.7 billion and $42.8 billion in the first 10 years. McDermott gave those figures in submitted testimony to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
The World Trade Organization
In 2003, the country of Antigua and Barbuda filed a complaint with the World Trade Organization against the United States on the basis that the government's ban on Internet gambling violated their rights as W.T.O. members and the organization ruled in favor of Antigua and Barbuda. The United States appealed the ruling and the World Trade Organization has upheld the original ruling on more than one occasion, most recently on March 30, 2007.
On June 19, 2007, the country filed a claim against the United States with the WTO seeking $3.4 billion USD in trade sanctions, as well as a request for authorization to ignore U.S. patent and copyright laws.
On December 21, 2007, the WTO awarded Antigua and Barbuda $21 million in trade sanctions, which will allow the country of 80,000 the right to penalize U. S. trademark and copyright laws.
The United States admitted that its stand on Internet gambling was in violation of the WTO, but claimed Antigua should receive less than $1 million.
Further complicating things, at least as far as the WTO was concerned, was that the U.S. allows Internet betting on horse racing within the country, and Antigua's trade sanctions will be allowed to continue until the U.S. allows Americans to bet with foreign gaming operators, or eliminates off-track wagering on the Internet.
The U.S. has also made some minor trade concessions to some countries, as well as the European Union, to exclude gambling services from a previously signed agreement in 1994 by revising the original agreement.
Summary
The safe answer to the question regarding the legality of Internet gambling is to say that it is currently illegal, even though that is using a pretty generous interpretation of the law. Still, no arrests have been made in the United States for merely placing bets online.
With the WTO ruling of Dec. 21, 2007, it's highly unlikely that anything will change in the U.S. in the near future, as there is no longer any incentive to make any type of concessions to the gambling sector.

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[cinpls081]

"LT Profits And if the local gets busted, you are out of luck! I'd much rather play with an A rated offshore book than an ILLEGAL local. Think about it: "

It is just as illegal to play online. I have NEVER heard of a player getting in trouble for playing the games.

YOU GET PAID MUCH FASTER WITH A LOCAL. That is the problem. I am owed 5 digits now from a book I would settle for 5K today. Its to much stress. It's honestly not there fault but in the end its just a matter of when you will lose all you have in some offshore account.

ALSO THEY DON'T TAKE ACTION anymore. you can't get down on anything anymore. 500 a game is not action I'm sorry.

Also when you are capped at 2500 a check. The industry is a mess end of story.

[LT Profits]

Well thats why I specified A books, especially the ones that don't mind sharp action. I never feel my money is in jeopardy there, and if the biggest problem is getting paid in $2,500 chunks, I could live with that.

As for the law, a lot of legal minds agree that PLACING a bet is not ilegal unless specifically stipulated in the laws of your locality, while BOOKING a bet is always ilegal.

[cinpls081]

its only a matter of time until the entire industry is shut down. Tell the guys who ran WSEX that betting offshore is legal. They are basiclly in jail for life. I'm talking about jail time. Also online there is always a record on the street its cash money. ITS much safer at this point and time playing with a local. 2500 dollar. i do a lot of hedging to make $$ 2500 ML bet is really nothing and they all limit you to any real dollar amounts its a waste of time betting with anyone online. There are plenty of soft lines but they don't allow you to unload. Pinny was the best 50K limits on all games. not that I was betting that but you knew they were taking on the sharps. These books are all small time now. They want the guy playing parlays and making square 100 dollar bets. hell they limit you if you win.

[DAWGPEN]

If I could find a legitimate local I would be as happy as a pig in shit!

[JELLYBEAN]

[QUOTE=bigboydan;760446]I've been playing with my locals mainly ever since [iSBRFORUM]Pinnacle[/iSBRFORUM] cut off U.S. players, however I do respectfully disagree that all offshore books are bad news. I feel that books like Pinnacle, BookMaker, TheGreek, and Wsex will treat there players very fairly.[/QUOTE


You just made my point. All of the books you mentioned with the exception of WSEX all are OLD SCHOOL BOOKMAKERS who have been in the trenches for years before they went offshore. Post up to these books with again the exception of WSEX is second to there REAL BUSINESS.

take care and Stick to a locals

[JELLYBEAN]

If I could find a legitimate local I would be as happy as a pig in shit!

Where do you live..in the sticks?

[jackpot269]

Where do you live..in the sticks?

I live in the sticks I have a great local guy picks up what i owe every Tuesday you can set your clock by him!!!!!!!!!!!1

[bigboydan]

[QUOTE=JELLYBEAN;762894]

I've been playing with my locals mainly ever since [iSBRFORUM]Pinnacle[/iSBRFORUM] cut off U.S. players, however I do respectfully disagree that all offshore books are bad news. I feel that books like Pinnacle, BookMaker, TheGreek, and Wsex will treat there players very fairly.[/QUOTE


You just made my point. All of the books you mentioned with the exception of WSEX all are OLD SCHOOL BOOKMAKERS who have been in the trenches for years before they went offshore. Post up to these books with again the exception of WSEX is second to there REAL BUSINESS.

take care and Stick to a locals

I figured we were both on the same page in regards to old school books that have worked in the trenches previously sir. However even though Wsex isn't one of them, I still feel they treat there players fairly. But to each is own I guess.

[oddsmaker]

Just wondering, but doesn't it seem more likely to get in trouble gambling with the law via a local than an online merchant?

[coldhardfacts]

Just wondering, but doesn't it seem more likely to get in trouble gambling with the law via a local than an online merchant?

Good question. And I can tell you from personal experience (without getting into details) the answer is YES.

I've been stiffed by on-line places and I've been stiffed by locals - more by the latter. The key to either one is know whom your dealing with, don't let your credit balances get too high, and DON'T GET GREEDY.

[cinpls081]

oddsmaker, you aren't going to jail for making a 100 dollar bet with a bookie. I have never heard of a single person having to deal with it have you? Booking can get you in trouble. If you are dealing with a reputable local you will have no issues with the law or getting paid. MUCH EASIER THEN SPORTSBETTING . COM THey are both illegal but one has no paper trail....Cash money with a local...No limits etc.

[flyingillini]

"LT Profits And if the local gets busted, you are out of luck! I'd much rather play with an A rated offshore book than an ILLEGAL local. Think about it: "

It is just as illegal to play online. I have NEVER heard of a player getting in trouble for playing the games.

YOU GET PAID MUCH FASTER WITH A LOCAL. That is the problem. I am owed 5 digits now from a book I would settle for 5K today. Its to much stress. It's honestly not there fault but in the end its just a matter of when you will lose all you have in some offshore account.

ALSO THEY DON'T TAKE ACTION anymore. you can't get down on anything anymore. 500 a game is not action I'm sorry.

Also when you are capped at 2500 a check. The industry is a mess end of story.

I have a local and I also play offshore. I don't know where your getting your information but if I win and I want my money I get paid that same day. I request my funds and I receive it within 3-5 hours that same day. I do understand there are books that do not payout the same day but there are plenty that pay you the same day.

[topgame85]

The only real way to get in trouble for betting is if you start having large amounts of cash on hand and can't explain it to the IRS, I for example go to MD for the horse tracks and get at least a few signers a year so the feds/IRS know I gamble, don't worry about getting caught betting worry about getting audited and charged with Tax evasion/fraud that will screw you over 10 times worse look at Wesley Snipes! If they get you for that you can lose everything have back taxes and do some serious time in the FEDERAL PEN declare your winnings boys

[coldhardfacts]

oddsmaker, you aren't going to jail for making a 100 dollar bet with a bookie. I have never heard of a single person having to deal with it have you? Booking can get you in trouble. If you are dealing with a reputable local you will have no issues with the law or getting paid. MUCH EASIER THEN SPORTSBETTING . COM THey are both illegal but one has no paper trail....Cash money with a local...No limits etc.

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. I live in a southern state, and the cops got a warrant on me because they were investigating a bookie I was using and they witnessed a payout transaction. They found betting records (MY bets) and statistical data, and tried to make a case based on that - claiming that MY bets were bets I was taking and that I was a bookmaker. I was acquitted of bookmaking charges, but the judge (who was buddies with the prosecutor - they're all buddies, by the way, the cops, the defense lawyers, and the prosecutors) found me guilty of a bullshit misdemeanor. The whole thing was a HUGE hassle.