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why was hollywood sportsbook upgraded?
07/30/2010 01:16 PM CST Hollywood Sportsbook upgraded from D- to D+
hollywood is sister site of sportsbook.com last i checked, and they still have not returned players funds they stole 3 years+ ago
i guess the even more surprising news was that they were upgraded when there was no news and/or indication why afte no movement in ratings for 3 years
Last edited by SBR Jonelyn; 01-14-15 at 04:47 PM.
I also found that curious.
is it possible for sbr to give us their opinion on this upgrade?
this I dont understand about SBR, if a book havent pay players funds they should be a F
probably they paid somebody of their customers, otherwise no reason to do it.
Hollywood should be a B- book, as should most Jazette books. They are under new management and offering great promotions these days.
3 years is a long time in this business.
I guess 3 years is a long time if you're 15. Sportsbook.com will remain an F Book until they pay back what they stole.
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Strange they would upgrade just the one family member. I don't think Hollywood even claims to be independent of the other Jazzette books (like Brobury claims).
d+ is not that good anyway
New management that claims they're going to make it right
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You didn't get the promo e-mail from "Roberto C." about their new management etc?Originally Posted by Peep
Boy it must be fun only playing at the A+ shops then.
You need to have a short memory in this business.
It is fun only playing at A+ books. And you need to have a LONG memory in this biz.
If you want to bonus-whore and weak-number scrounge, do it. But please don't whine about getting stiffed later. And don't selfishly encourage others to deposit at these lowlife places all because you want to improve your own chances of getting paid later.
Actually I'll go as low as B- (ie MatchBook). As far as memory, I prefer long term (can't afford to make the same mistakes twice).
3 years ago people were saying the same thing about jazette as it had been about 3 years since they'd ripped anyone off.
If you like betting into sharp lines, but know you will be paid if you win, then there is no point in even having this subforum. Just deposit at matchbook and greek and be on your way. If this is what you do why do you even read this subforum? What do you care who is D or D-?
I do not encourage people to deposit into these shops so that I have a better chance of getting paid. I say nice things about shops that don't get the credit they deserve (SBG/Royal, Jazette, BetOnline), and I hammer those that suck. I have nothing good to say about WagerWeb, and I was one of the first guys to attack Phoenix about their slow paying. Why would I hammer Phoenix on the forum if I wanted posters to deposit so I could get paid?
So many things change over a year or two. There are some new shops that haven't stiffed anyone but have had issues (Phoenix), and there are some old shops that have stiffed 3+ years ago but have had 3 straight solid years. I prefer the latter.
There is always the chance of getting stiffed. All I do is tell people my experiences at different books. When I say 'everyone should be playing at Book X', it is just a way of saying 'this is an underrated book'. I don't really care if other posters post up at Book X.
Very good point mathdotcom. In the long run always having the best line available + the added advantage of nice welcome bonuses will make it easier for you to win. Your risk of getting stiffed is slightly higher than if you were only using TheGreek, but the extra edge for the player would make up for that.. I think....
Are you swedish by the way mathdotcom?
All books in the Sportsbook.com Group maintain a low rating due to their history of unjust confiscations from winning players, including those that bet correlated parlays and played at multiple skins. Some mgt. is motivated to right as many wrongs as they can and give players a fair shake, but unfortunately to date although they've at times expressed interest to, the clearance was never given to reverse the confiscations.
We don't receive many payout complaints from the group but as I said, their low mark is maintained due to their past. The black eye will stay there until they revisit the cases.
Trixtrix, if you have a specific issue and want to log your complaint so it is on file, please write to us at help@sportsbookreview.com.
lou, i'm not understanding what you're saying, you seem to be indicating that all sb.com skins will receive a low grade until they right their past wrongs, which is exactly what my sentiments are.
but my main question is: why was hollywood sportsbook rating alone UPGRADED this wknd? are they still part of sb.com group? did they right any wrongs sb.com collectively (and hollywood took part in) done in the past?
if the answers to the above questions are yes and no, then why do they alone deserve the upgrade from D- to D+? exactly what did they do to deserve this upgrade?
as for my complaint, it is the 4k hollywood took from me for parlays 3 years ago. they never made right for the thefts and now they alone are being upgraded? that does not seem fair to me.
i only played at hollywood at the time b/c i had an acct back when hollywood was an independent book and was highly rated by sbr, after their conversion to sb.com group, i kept the acct thinking management will be able to make their own decision b/c they care about the hollywood rep (apparently not), i did not trust the other groups in sb.com b/c of their low ratings and my previous dealings w/ them. so now that it appears that hollywood alone is getting the undeserved upgrade, again.
note back in the day independent sb.com skins like sportsbetting.com and betusa.com reversed the upper management decision and returned players funds from the parlay fiasco. hollywood NEVER did. so why do they deserve this upgrade now after sitting on their asses for 3 years and still sitting on their asses?
Chopsticks we are not Swedish
Hollywood has been around for a long time, much longer then 3 years (over a decade). The book has new management in place.
Ive been playing with SB since the late 90's without a single payout issue. In saying that, Trix I am sorry to hear you got twisted up with them. I wounder if the Brits owned them then? You have to love the fact they all turned coat when things got ugly and ran for Piccadilly Circus to sweat it out over espresso, well minus one unfortunate soul.
I wish Hollywood Sportsbook well and I hope they prove everyone wrong. That goes for all the SB books.
One last comment. Lou you never commented on the upgrade you just danced around it like always. You could have said something like, Hollywood has been complaint free for one year or something... It makes us all wonder why anyone should care about ratings like Chop attested to.
Almost any Sportsbook.com Group book with an independent decision maker is better than the D- default rating the group gets. Brobury and BetUSA each come to mind as books that have their own people handling CS and vow to make the final call on any disputes. BetUSA is where we point players who say SBR, I love the software, or this promo, or a type of line they offer. Is there a brand where I will be ok? They have credited accts right away after Sportsbook.com staff snags someone's earned bonus. When a player had 4 Sportsbook.com books and was up on the house, and main sportsbook.com did a sweep, BetUSA put the money back same day.
Hollywood just put an office back together with some of the folks who were there before the lease are back. Former VIP Group mgr is manning the day-to-day. The D+ acknowledges step 1 but is still on the blacklist. We are researching old player cases they can revisit. Anyone who has anything they felt was unfair over the last few years are urged to contact us. Hopefully this is the first of multiple upgrades.
who gives a shit what this book is rated.
I do because SB.com robbed me in '07. There were many others, BTW.
Last edited by HedgeHog; 08-02-10 at 06:05 AM.
My problem is with obvious shills promoting shit-books as if they are legit. Such is the case with SB.com. I hope they're paying you well.
As far as the Hollywood brand goes, this is an iconic brand that has been in business for 12 years or so and was A rated for most of those years..however yes the book was sold to Sportingbet.com for big money in 2006 before the passage of the UIEGA……Sportingbet went after the 2 best brands available in the US market at the time ….. sportsbook.com and Hollywood…… Sportingbet publicly traded on the London Stock Exchange, would not pay 8X earnings in cash for poorly run or “thieving” brands…
The sale was a testament to how both these brands were managed regardless of your personal opinions. Simple truth ………whether you believe it or not.
What most people don’t know and some think they know, is that the same owners who sold it for millions///… quietly bought it back for pennies on the dollar rather than let it get cast off to jazzette when the law went into effect a few months later…. And good for them ….. Of course at the time, they were prohibited from, and nervous about, making public statements about the buyback and just preferred to remain tight lipped as I am sure you can appreciate and let SB.com staff run the day to day stuff. But some might say the owners made a mistake by doing that, but the reality is that SB did a fine job for over 4 years…
But HW always maintained a separate CS staff and continues to do so and its financial strength has never been in doubt….nor is it now…
However, in April the owners decided to bring in a veteran independent management team to revive the brand to its former glory.
Our aim here now is to offer a new entertaining site with lots of bonuses and contests and a unique loyalty program ……..all completed.
And as far as any past confiscations as a result of SB decisions, we are sorry and honestly can’t do anything about it now… but we can assure you that nothing like that will ever happen again.
Anyway I hope that explains a little further
So if you have a sportsbook.com (or jazette accounts elsewhere) you are welcome to play with HollyWood and get your bonuses without risking having anything confiscated even if we win and have cashed out big with Sportsbook.com (or other jazette books)?
HW:
Sb/jazette stole money from your players, you did not pay it back. Until you do so you are thieves. The idea that you can't pay those players back if you own the book is absurd. I'm less inclined to play at your book now than when I knew jazette owned it.
"And as far as any past confiscations as a result of SB decisions, we are sorry and honestly can’t do anything about it now… but we can assure you that nothing like that will ever happen again. "
LOL!
of course
About the only truth you told is that Hollywood was good back in the day. I know this because I had an account with you then--and you were an A or B Book no question. Then Sportsbook.com became your "Daddy" and you went down the drain with them. Unfortunately I had an account with SB.com already when they took you over. SB.com stole 9k from me stating multiple account violation (like it's my fault they acquired you), free play violation (that damn free $10 bet you offered) and correlated parlay abuse.
Indirectly, you were partly responsible for my loss, and it turns my stomache that SBR is giving you a free pass with the rate upgrade to D+. It also makes me sick that you speak so highly of your prick parent company. You really want to make amends? Then send me my 9 grand and I'll gladly shut up. Bottom line is that when you sleep with shit, you eventually start to smell.
well said
its just a slap in the face to even let this guy come on here and post the BS he just posted.
So anyone who has nothing but good things to say about a book = paid shills? Huh?
Hedgehog, how come when a book treats you well, pays you quickly, and doesn't screw with you in any way, you never come on here and tell us about that? I imagine it is because that's just how you think all books should operate. Well, I agree with you, but that's just not the reality.
All I hear from you are complaints, and I would be a lot poorer if I stayed away from your hate list of books. Meanwhile, posters who deposited at books I have always thought to be underrated (SBG, Jazette) would be a lot richer as a result. Do I think there is a 0% chance they will ever stiff in the future? No. All I do is post about books that I have had positive experiences at and you jump all over me.
Whiners who expect offshore books to operate as efficiently as N. American corporations should turn off their computers and move to Vegas.
I have no problems with the concept of risk vs reward as far as Books are concerned. SB.com is a D- Book, but with easy to beat lines. What I do have a problem with is when you try to promote them as a B level Book as you did in a previous post. Play their at your own risk, but don't make them out to be a reliable out. They aren't. Study their history, junior.
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