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A book that steals from its smartest 1% of its customers can go from deep red to deep black. Wageweb is using the same MO used by Sportsbook.com -- treat most people fairly, and screw hard the ones that are smart enough to beat you.Originally Posted by Eagle1958
If you got lucky and beat Wagerweb out of 20k, I think they would likely pay you. If you beat them with your brain, they didn't have a chance, and they figure this out, you're not as likely to get paid.
ah, i see you're dodging my questions again and reposting the same b.s, gee i wonder why. i'll repost my questions below in case you "missed" it.
no i might not be able to get my money back from wagerweb (and from the looks of your desperate shill attempt, wagerweb might need it more than i lol), but watching you flush wagerweb's reputation down the toilet does bring about a certain amount of satisfaction
1.) all parlays on the same game outcome are correlated to an extent, apparently you're as clueless in math as in shilling
2.) wagerweb has the software to block all parlays they wish to block, why did they/you choose NOT to do so?
3.) why did you confiscate my winnings 2 MONTHS after the fact?
4.) why did you repeatedly make up lies to justin?
5.) why did you not spell out the degree of correlation that apparently is prohibited in your t&c?
6.) why do you contend that i circumvented limits by wagering the max amount on first half and 2nd half parlays?
7.) why can you not provide proof that i was given a "warning"?
8.) why do you post on 11 threads in 4 months span as soon as you signed up on wagerweb?
9.) why do you repeatedly call me a cheat but cannot provide any proof w/ the exception of a vague reference to "breaking the rules?"
10.) why did you take my remaining balance after i complained to sbr? what rule did i break there?
11.) why do you brag about the fact that you're rated on osga, yet refuse to abide by osga decision to pay me 4k+ of my balance?
12.) why do you care so much about their rating, if wagerweb is indeed thriving as you say?
13.) why did you offer me a reload bonus if you're dissatisfied w/ my play?
14.) why did you take 9k (then 11k) from my acct when i won a net of 4k+ from my parlays?
15.) why isn't tom cowley available when you need him? he's much better at pwning books/shills than i
Last edited by trixtrix; 06-01-10 at 06:55 PM.
What's with all of this "why did you". I didn't do anything. I am only a small time gambler. Not a shill not anything else but a small time gambler from Wilkes Barre Pa. You brought this all upon yourself by trying to circumvent the rules. "Why didn't you" just play by the rules. Then there would be no problems. Other people on this site, JRod124, FranktheTank, Robmpink, and myself are always paid by wagerweb because we follow the rules. But I suppose they are all shills too. Everyone who can see that what you did was wrong are all shills. You can attack me personally all you want Trix but it doesn't bother me at all and I can sleep at night because I play honestly and because of this always gets paid when I win. Can you look in the mirror and say the same about yourself?
Why would you knowingly trap your customers?
lmfao, you stole 11k+ from me, call me a cheat, and then whines about my personal attacks? and wonder how i sleep at night? are you really that mentally retarded? how do YOU sleep at night knowing you work (whether directly/indirectly) that STEALS from their customers, HOW DO YOU SLEEP at night knowing you hold 11k+ that does not belong to you and try to unconsionably blame on the counterparty? way to try and twist that around duma$$
oh btw, i sleep fine on my king tempurpedic which i bought w/ my gambling winnings, that every other books aside from wagerweb and sportsbook.com were honourable enough to payout. i also sleep fine b/c i know i did nothing wrong. i also sleep fine w/ half million bankroll i made from gambling that shills like you will never ever make by shiilling for sh!t books.
i see, again you dodged all my questions posed to you. don't have any answers do you, so you have 3 people in thread that bets small time and did not get cheated by wagerweb?
awesome!, did you count how many people in this thread alone admit that wagerweb cheated them? i guarantee there more than 3 people, but let's ignore that along w/ the questions b/c that's what shill do, try and divert attention.
while we're at it, why don't you count how many posters in this thread are dissatisfied w/ wagerweb http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...m-players.html]
99% player satisfaction lol
Last edited by trixtrix; 06-01-10 at 09:50 PM.
1) Did you or did you not play correlated parlays? and 2) Are correlated parlays prohibited under Wagerweb's terms and conditions? The answers to these two questions say it all when you trim away all the personal attacks and other window dressings that you offer.
By the way, for someone who supposedly made a half million dollar bankroll from gambling, $11,000 is certainly causing you a lot of aggravation.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Who cares how big his bankroll is, you still can't just steal from him.
I raised a fuss over Carib's unethical policy of theft and they only robbed me of ~100 dollars. Though they've likely robbed tens of thousands from people.
The issue is that books constantly come up with chickenshit reasons to thieve from players. And its bullshit.
for someone whos supposedly a small time "player", defending wagerweb is sure causing you a lot of aggravation
and i didn't say i made over half a mil, i said i curently have a half mil for gambling purposes, take that however you want, a retard like you won't ever understand it. you think i'm posting out of aggravation? why would you say that? do you think i have something to be aggrieved about by wagerweb? actually i'm posting b/c this close to football season, the more newbies i can save by diverting their funds elsewhere than wagerweb (who's thriving apparently anyways and have little needs for their funds), the better the world will be.
1.) is all parlays on the same game correlated? yes or no?
2.) have you placed a parlay on the same game yes or no?
3.) do you have the mentality of a 3 year old yes or no?
Last edited by trixtrix; 06-02-10 at 12:06 AM.
Thats what happens when you know you're wrong. You result to name calling and mudslingging. And you keep referring to someone you don't even know as being a shill. I am just defending where I play. They have never done anything to me or my friends to lead us to believe they are dishonest. They never lie and keep saying the money is coming. It is always there on time as promised. I can't in good conscience turn on someone who has always been fair to me. Take it for whatever its worth. If you believe it fine, if you don't that's fine too. But don't attack someone just because they like a sportsbook that you are having a problem with. It's your problem not the whole world's problem.
Last edited by Eagle1958; 06-02-10 at 12:49 AM.
dumba$$, you called me a cheater SEVEN TIMES on the first page alone and now you're whining about personal attacks? what a douchebag, lol
you and wagerweb must be one and the same b/c you resort to the same exact tactics, foul and insult someone, and THEN cry victim, go crawl back to your hole shill
(btw, this exact quote was used by dan from wagerweb the time he called me, so don't act like i don't know who's behind this, but i'm going to have fun making you look like crap)
now, i'm asking you, who's personal attacking who here?
and while you're at it, answer these 15 questions:
1.) all parlays on the same game outcome are correlated to an extent, apparently you're as clueless in math as in shilling
2.) wagerweb has the software to block all parlays they wish to block, why did they/you choose NOT to do so?
3.) why did you confiscate my winnings 2 MONTHS after the fact?
4.) why did you repeatedly make up lies to justin?
5.) why did you not spell out the degree of correlation that apparently is prohibited in your t&c?
6.) why do you contend that i circumvented limits by wagering the max amount on first half and 2nd half parlays?
7.) why can you not provide proof that i was given a "warning"?
8.) why do you post on 11 threads in 4 months span as soon as you signed up on wagerweb?
9.) why do you repeatedly call me a cheat but cannot provide any proof w/ the exception of a vague reference to "breaking the rules?"
10.) why did you take my remaining balance after i complained to sbr? what rule did i break there?
11.) why do you brag about the fact that you're rated on osga, yet refuse to abide by osga decision to pay me 4k+ of my balance?
12.) why do you care so much about their rating, if wagerweb is indeed thriving as you say?
13.) why did you offer me a reload bonus if you're dissatisfied w/ my play?
14.) why did you take 9k (then 11k) from my acct when i won a net of 4k+ from my parlays?
15.) why isn't tom cowley available when you need him? he's much better at pwning books/shills than i
According to you , I shill for wagerweb. Well in the 5 months, I've been at this site I have 248 posts here and maybe 5% of them concern wagerweb. I guess they pay me to post other comments too. I wish they paid me. They don't pay me. I don't work for them. I gamble there and never even accepted a bonus from them. I post only in the interest of fair play because they have always treated me fairly. But you want everything to express your point of view only and to be one sided. If someone disagrees,you resort to personal attacks. You may have problems with them but I and others like them and nothing you can say will ever change that. You keep saying I work for them. For the last time, I never have and never will work for them. I own my own business in the transportation industry here in Wilkes Barre, Pa. which has sales of over 2 million dollars annually. I don't need their money. But there are two sides to every story. And you are determined to make sure that your side is the only side heard. Well I will not go away and let you brainwash everyone against a company that has always treated me fairly. If you made those allegations against a company here in the U.S. without concrete proof you would be charged with defamation and slander. But oh, how nice it is for you to sit anonymously and hide behind your computer and make wild allegations. It's too bad we couldn't bring this matter into a court of law and see real evidence instead of "he said she said" allegations. Maybe they kept your money,maybe not. But if they did, I'm sure they feel they have a legitimate reason. And I'm sure you disagree with that reason. But like I said there are two sides to every story but wagerweb isn't given a chance to tell their side. I would love for someone from wagerweb to come on here and tell us their views of what happened. Maybe they are wrong but we will never know without hearing both sides.
you really are a tard, i mean a first degree tard. you posted in the interest of "fair play" by directly accusing me of being a cheater w/out any proof SEVEN TIMES in this thread? do you even realize how stupid you sound? (hint: count how many posts in this thread agrees w/your argument against me. that's how valid your 'opinion' is)
it's funny you're so retarded that you think i'm defaming wagerweb when you defamed me SEVEN times and counting. go crawl back to your wagerweb affiliate hole, i'm sure you own a two million dollar business when you haven't even learned how to talk nicely to customers LOL
Every post you make starts by insulting me. Grow up and respect someone else's opinion besides your own. Almost every post you made in this thread starts with a personal attack or accusation against me. And believe it or not everyone who reads them can clearly see this. You are the most self centered person I ever dealt with with no respect for anyone else or their opinions.
Last edited by Eagle1958; 06-02-10 at 11:19 AM.
Cheater-" a person who circumvents the rules for personal gain" If the shoe fits.............
congrats, it takes skills to be this ignorant, you can't play the "take the high road" card when you started off by calling me a cheater SEVEN TIMES genius. i see you're completely dismissing the fact that you're the one who started this name calling process in this very own thread. nice try shill, it's not going to work b/c everyone can read the thread and see who started what, why do you think you have next to no support on this thread?
you're running a millionaire business while placing 50$ parlays in wagerweb and raves about receiving 2k checks? highly logical lol
oh and wagerweb can defend themselves, they are free to post in this thread, oh wait they already did, just not effectively
you're really bad at this, here is the webster definition of a cheater: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheater
"1 : to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2 : to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3 : to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting"
notice it's nothing like your post, failed again shill, try to make some more lies
Yes I own a million dollar business and yes I do make $50 parlays because I do it for fun. I am not a sick degenerate gambler who uses bill money and eveyday living expenses to support my habits. To me that is very logical.
Another post by TrixTrix another episode of name calling. And that is not a lie.
Last edited by Eagle1958; 06-02-10 at 11:33 AM. Reason: additions
Your first post in this thread starts by clearly calling me a shill. Before you started posting in this thread there were no names called and it was a civil conversation. Now who started the personal attacks?
lol good stuff, you highlighted your own posts calling me a cheater, and then whined about name-calling when i called you a shill in response.
if my previous encounter w/ wagerweb is any indication, you must be v high on their totem pole b/c this is their exact tactics. foul/steal/lie, then accuse and scream profanities and names, THEN cry about their reputation being hurt.. lololol
god it feels good to put a shill in his place..
your posts indicate you're a shill, the sad thing is you're the only poster in this thread that think you can misdirect otherwise. why do you think no one has come to your support yet?
I think if I was a shill, I would be posting for wagerweb elsewhere also and not wasting my time making over 250 posts here most of which have nothing to do with wagerweb.
Also, I don't see hoardes of people running to your defense either. It seems like a two person argument in this thread. I believe there are 3 other people who agree with you and 3 other people who posted to say they have always been paid by wagerweb. Not as one sided as you would like to believe.
1).We must be the only lucky ones.
2).
you must've missed this thread then: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...m-players.html
care to count again? this time w/out your shill math?
and yes you're a shill, and
1.) a very obvious one, no average poster post on ELEVEN DIFFERENT THREADS on the topic of their "favorite" in a 4 months span since they signed up. i didn't even post in that many threads regarding wagerweb and they stole 11k from me. you've been outed, accept it.
2.) and not a very good one, you still don't realize that this thread damages wagerweb's credibility further than it will ever help. but carry on, i'm having fun
3).I have been with Wagerweb since 2005. And other than a few hiccups, have always been paid. But this is not to defend what has happened to other players in here. Just my experience.
lol, you can't that dull even for a shill.. you mean to tell me you can't tell the difference between a post stating that one personally had no negative experience w/ a particular book and a post condoing theft?
your last quoted posts even stated that they don't condone wagerweb's behaviour towards me and you're using them as "evidence", are you really that desperate for support? well yes, yes i guess you're ...
but don't worry, your million dollar business and thriving business of wagerweb will cushion your current humiliation lol
Eagle,
Why would you only ban some correlated parlays but allow others if you didn't allow this via the rules? Why wouldn't you protect yourself and your players from any confusion unless you were looking to create dubious rules?
There aren't "hoardes of people running to his defense" because this dispute is so blatantly obvious to anyone that isn't a Wagerweb shill that we don't see any need to post about it. If you claimed the sun revolves around the earth and Trixtrix disagreed with you, I doubt there would be very many people "running to his defense" there either.
The most damning evidence is that their software was designed to reject certain CPs, i.e. you couldn't parlay 1h -23.5 with ov 27. That they allowed other CPs with less degree of correlation proves that they specifically meant to allow those wagers.
It appears that TrixTrix is an old pro at circumventing the rules. This isn't the first time that he/she was caught making illegal wagers using correlated parlays. Back in November 2007, Hollywood sportsbook ( sportsbook.com) confiscated $3800 from his/her account for the very same reason. I wonder how many other sportsbooks were scammed using this method and didn't realize it till it was too late. Old habits are hard to break it appears. But TrixTrix isn't at fault. NO. All of the sportsbooks involved are wrong. Most people go an entire lifetime without having winnings confiscated. But here, it has happened at least twice to the same person. Hmmmm.
Wow. If Hollywood/sportsbook.com did it, it's ok? Eagle, you know this book is rated D- now, right? I agree that Wagerweb's confiscation is on about the same level as Hollywood/Sportsbook.
It's not OK in most circumstances but if the money was obtained using prohibited wagers, then I can't expect them to pay. Ignorance is not a defense. The rules against corelated parlays are clearly posted under terms and conditions. If the player doesn't take the time to read and understand them I have no sympathy. Especially when thousands of dollars are involved, you should know the rules and abide by them.
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