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BetMania Moving Lines On Approval
For months now, BetMania moves the line against me every single time I attempt to make a wager online. It makes sense these scumbags operate illegally from Costa Rica because they'd lose their NV gaming license on day one taking shots at players like this.
Aren't they using the exact same lines as BP along with everyone in the BP family?
they are doing the same a BetPheonix
Betmania, BetPheonix, Wagerhief all use Same Software, Same Lines, Same Reps, Same everythingOriginally Posted by Thremp
Different lines on N. American sports, a la BM<->DSI.
They weren't the last time I played there, but that was some time ago.
No. Stop posting in this forum.
Royal did that for a while with me (when Richard was there).
They thought it was "funny". I thought they were jerks......
They use the Same customer service reps
I personally have not played at BetMania. Just BP/Sports-1. Wasn't sure of the relationship between all of them. Seems like Cris Group would be an extremely apt comparison.
BetUS and Bodog do that to me all the time so I guess we can add BetMania to that list of shit books. According to some Bodog apologists that's "good business sense" by Bodog.
Same CS reps is correct. Lines are different.
When books try this on me, I bet opposite wayThey all 50/50 anyhow and they just gave me a better %
In Bodog's case they have different lines after you log in (if you're blocking their cookie which identifies you pre-login), but still one set of lines for each player which it is possible to bet. In the case described here, you can never actually see what lines you're getting until you make the bet.
I'm talking about something different from the dual lines. I haven't bothered funding my account in years so it's possible they changed things, but well over half the time I tried to bet any props there (I'd say 60% of the time), they moved the line on me during the approval process. I know props are different than full game lines but that would still be illegal in any regulated jurisdiction.
Call in your bet...Once they quote you a line on a game they can't change it when you tell them your choice
Excellent point, problem solved. They can move it, before confirmation readback, but less likely and if they do will be able to immed get a reason.
Personally, never had this issue, but do know of other complaints with BP and big tennis doggies from winning players, so not dismissing the OP complaint entirely. Alot of unsupported bashing, but this one sounds legit.
They are not supposed to changed the lines once they quote them to you over the phone but they do it anyway. Its very dishonest of them. I started a thread (titled Lines Moves) about this a little over a week ago.
On the flip side of this, this might be happening because.
OP is arbing the line. There is +EV to bet both side. OP calls in and get the line, but someone online beat them to it and wager online. System automatically changed the line before.
They just pulled this crap with me. I called up for the line on the Ariz/Florida baseball game and they quoted me Marlins -152/Ariz +137. I told them i wanted Ariz risking 300 to win 411 and before I got the readback, the idiot rep on the phone told me that the line was now Florida -148/Ariz +133. This is such bs. This is the first (and the last) wager I call in with them. How the fck can they change the line after they hear what side i want? And why am I getting so pissed. Should the wager win, it only costs me 12 dollars. I guess its just the principle.
betpho really needs to straighten this out, this happens to me over pitthy 100 limit bet!
this is how stupid it its, 100$ limit of wa line at best offers punter like 2% return which = 2$. for 2$ it's not worth the clerk's time or the system resources it takes to move the line, not to mention the added risk of opening up the other side to a potential bigger bet at now off market prices.
Last edited by trixtrix; 05-17-10 at 07:13 PM.
All attempted plays at market.
Add skybook to this list too
Do betphoenix and wagerchief have the same owners?
Update:
SBR contacted management regarding my complaint. They claim it's not happening and would be grounds for termination. For one day my bets are approved at posted line. Next day it's back to business as usual: 6 bets attempted since, all static lines, all moved against me on delay.
They have also officially reneged on the payment plan promised in January for which they made exactly one payment.
How much do they owe you RickySteve? It sounds like that might be an even bigger issue than the line moves.
What are their online limits? I mean on betphoenix side for NFL and NBA I took shots on them for $3k and lines move about 10 cent from +100 to -110 after my bets. What I am trying to say is how much are you betting that you have to do it over the phone? Why not just bet online? And why betmania? Rather than betphoenix. They are essentially the same.
Betmania did offer free half point with -108 juice at one point. But that disapper for me after 6 bets. But it was good, free money.
I never said anything about betting over the phone.
My limits are all slashed. $1K at most on a straight side, day-of-game and after they move the line against me once or twice. $250 or less on pretty much anything else. $0 on parlays/teasers/if-bets.
At the time I joined, account manager Phil directed me to play at BetMania as that was the only brand with a dime line for baseball. I only (attempt to) play there now because they are holding a lot of my money and aren't paying any time soon.
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