[diamond]

Its time to update some of the European books in your rating list, and I can see BETSAFE is missing in your list. You have Expekt, BWIN, UNIBET, Centrebet etc, all large in the European market.

I think BetSafe deserves to have an initial rating set. I noticed earlier question regarding limits, and Betsafe is suitable for small/medium players, depending on sports. BigBoyDan (moderator) said in an earlier post:

Originally Posted by noyb

reliable bookie in terms of payout, but will limit you to next to nothing (like a few euros) if you show any skill

That pretty much tells me all I need to know.

I think this an negative attidude, as all sportsbooks should be given a chance at SBRFORUM (at least those who are not known for scams etc). Betsafe have a large offer, lightning fast payout and probably the best support in the industry (guaranteeing answer within 15 min or your account is credited).

Betsafe has been around for a year, and improving all the tïme. Recommend them to get an initial rating. But as I say, if you want to bet thousand of dollars on each bet, your probably better of with some larger books.

[vanman]

On my second bet i was limited to £3.Yes they payout fast and have good CS but from the point of trying to get a bet on they are a complete waste of time.

[aca]

I agree that betsafe is good bookie!
I maded several payouts and no problem or limit!

[bigboydan]

I've said it before and I'll say it again Diamond. I have nothing to do with the rating system at all here at SBR. I merely just said in that statement that this book was not best suited for me. Now if Bill and John were to ask me my opinion on what their rating should be.... Well then I would do much more research on them before giving my assessment.

[diamond]

On my second bet i was limited to £3.Yes they payout fast and have good CS but from the point of trying to get a bet on they are a complete waste of time.

Did you ask why?

[diamond]

I've said it before and I'll say it again Diamond. I have nothing to do with the rating system at all here at SBR. I merely just said in that statement that this book was not best suited for me. Now if Bill and John were to ask me my opinion on what their rating should be.... Well then I would do much more research on them before giving my assessment.

Ok fair statement BigBoyDan. Was not sure about your position, just expekt a moderator to be more open towards new bookies. Especially since they are not a scam operation.

[noyb]

Did you ask why?

no need too. really a large number of people have been limited to like 0 - 2 euro, on major leagues perhaps you get 30 euro down, and that's really no exaggeration. this is no exception, just look on some euro-forums. i doubt or all of these peoples are really sharpies. betsafe is just extremely careful not getting anyone in that might be winning.
so, i'm sure any small to medium bettor that loses will be happy there, but when you are limited the stakes accepted are way too low to be usefull for even a small bettor.

that being said, from the experience i had, support is very good and very fast. the few payouts i've had were not lightning fast, but ok.
so, again, if you are a losing bettor, you will have a good time there.

and finally, your point regarding sbr-ratings. it's been said here very often, these ratings are just not for european bettors. european bookies, or bookies popular with euro-bettors (f.e. centrebet which has no reason at all not to be a a+, much better bookie than half of the a+-es on sbr) are not listed or a level or two underrated.
sbr focuses on the us bettor, and until they actually pull through on the idea of a sbr europe this won't change. just keep it in mind when you use the ratings.

[vanman]

Did you ask why?

Yes i did and was told that they don`t want people who bet on surebets.Fine by me i just took my money elsewhere to a better book.IMO
As for a rating i would give them a C for their prompt payouts and good CS but to any serious punter an F.

[diamond]

Yes i did and was told that they don`t want people who bet on surebets.Fine by me i just took my money elsewhere to a better book.IMO
As for a rating i would give them a C for their prompt payouts and good CS but to any serious punter an F.

,Im happy you got the boot in your a**, as I hope all surewin people get.

[vanman]

,Im happy you got the boot in your a**, as I hope all surewin people get.

And i hope you rot in your own shit.

[SPECULATOR 13]

so, i'm sure any small to medium bettor that loses will be happy there, but when you are limited the stakes accepted are way too low to be usefull for even a small bettor.

And that is the bottom line NOYB ,i also have a BIG problem with SBR giving Euro. books(especially the U.K. ones) anything higher than a C rating.Than do not screw people on payments because nobody either wins or makes anything worth stealing.SBR seem to think that recreational bettors like to lose their money or are not interested into making any.They assume that these people like to just wager and that's alll!!!
Anyway they get screwed like the rest of us with the EURO/U.K. Books the moment they start winning OR LOSING!!!

[Vietbet]

Had my limits cut to 5 Euros or so. They did however pay me out my balance with a smile.

[bigboydan]

Had my limits cut to 5 Euros or so. They did however pay me out my balance with a smile.

It always sucks to be shown the door, but at least they paid you.