[Ewan101]

Just circling back here to see if the OP has circled back to answer these 2 questions:

Did you use the exploit described countless times in this thread? (Yes/No)

Are you able to get rickron to publish the full transcript of his chat with Betsoft (Yes/No)

"Again as mentioned, I will be completely transparent / honest. There is nothing to hide at all. Never has been." - really?

Well it is now Tuesday and not the weekend. Perhaps you could circle back with the answers.

[pologq]

You have to not only be unaware of what is going on, but also just happen to perform the exact actions necessary to take advantage of this flaw in the game...without having a reason for doing so.

you are right. good expansion of the point.

[Mugsy777]

Player took a shot and got caught , end of story

[ace7550]

Player took a shot and got caught

Only after he took 84k. He should be laughing all the way to the bank.

[JoeCool20]

Despite what you may think, I am not here to troll you. Don't mistake me/others laughing at Joe Cool - who was himself trolling this forum with a fundamental misunderstanding of mathematical statistics

JoeCool would say there is a chance the player accidentally and coincidentally adjusted his bet size when it was necessary.

Wow two people that I don't even know bringing my name up in a thread when I hadn't even posted in it in over a week! Now I have to get back on here and reply/defend myself to these posts with my name directly in them!



LOL lonnie55, It could be that it was a coincidence! I sure won't guess at what it is without knowing for sure!!!

How do any of us know what he did until he tells us?

Despite what you may think, I am not here to troll you. Don't mistake me/others laughing at Joe Cool - who was himself trolling this forum with a fundamental misunderstanding of mathematical statistics

Please don't tell lies about me and "math and statistics" in your trolling posts. I've never seen anybody troll a thread & the OP Raider1223 as much as you have in this thread in my LIFE on here! EXCEPT AFTER he asked you to stop!
But since Your post where you told him you would STOP trolling the thread, you have broken your own record & trolled the thread MORE after you told him that you would stop!

The problem is DontTailMe, you don't have a flying clue what you are writing about. It's just dirty Nestle's Quik coming out of your fingers. You're just an annoying poster whom likes to cause trouble and state things that you have no basis or facts upon. No facts whatsoever.
Time for you, Sir to stop the negative bantering on this specific post, and go swim in another pool and in another lane. We are trying to resolve a serious Matter here and you are making is worse. Everyone is tired your negative posts.

I'll stop for now though.

Obviously you can't stop even after he asked you nicely to stop AND you said you would! But please don't troll ME on here too & tell lies about me & "math and statistics." Because then I have to reply to the lie to defend myself against it!


So just for clarification, read my previous posts.


What I have said on here about "math and statistics" is that I won't assume things & make a GUESS
at what happened on this players slot games with limited data! My education doesn't allow me to make assumptions!
Sorry if that bothers you or anybody else on here. I also said that I don't care who else does make assumptions
because this is a forum for opinions, and everybody is welcome to their OWN opinion!


And don't forget! It may very well turn out that your (and a few others) assumptions WERE correct!
I just personally don't assume things with only a small amount of data (especially in math related things!)
You know the old saying about "Don't assume things, because it makes an ass out of U and me!" I believe in it!

[JoeCool20]

Yes, it seems like smart play would have been to only win as much as you can withdraw to keep your balance low and inconspicuous and maximize your potential winnings. But maybe MyBookie would have been triggered at the $84k withdrawal point no matter what. We'll never know.
But what usually leads people to getting caught - not just in gambling, but in any money making scheme - greed. It's human nature.

Player took a shot and got caught , end of story

Only after he took 84k. He should be laughing all the way to the bank.

Exactly right Ace! I said that about 12 pages ago in this thread! We don't know for SURE until he tells us, so I'm not going to assume anything and bash and troll Raider1223 for 20 pages like a few of you have done.
But If it is true that he DID make all that money on a slot game that was paying out more than it should have been paying out, then he should be THRILLED about getting $84 grand before the casino found out and stopped it!

[pologq]

OP any follow up to our inquiries?

[captrobey]

An Aardvark can eat 50000 ants in one meal

[lonnie55]

All of a sudden, this issue doesn't seem to be that urgent anymore.

Also, I've found another guy on Reddit who exploited the flaw and allegedly made 40k+. I tried to get into a conversation with him but he didn't reply via chat.

Rickron keeps ignoring my requests on Twitter.

What about Spencerho? He's gone, too?

[jjgold]

most of these issues the guy a scammer

[Mugsy777]

obvious from the start , player is a shot taker

[DontTailMe]

All of a sudden, this issue doesn't seem to be that urgent anymore.

Also, I've found another guy on Reddit who exploited the flaw and allegedly made 40k+. I tried to get into a conversation with him but he didn't reply via chat.

Rickron keeps ignoring my requests on Twitter.

What about Spencerho? He's gone, too?

The absolute silence once the community put all of the pieces together is very telling.

[Crusherrr]

The absolute silence once the community put all of the pieces together is very telling.

But we shouldn't ASSUME that he was a shot taker. Or that he had found a glitch or edge in the game. Right?



We still can't be SURE until he comes back and tells us.

[pologq]

An Aardvark can eat 50000 ants in one meal

guy is pretty stylish

the silence hear speaks volumes as mentioned

[captrobey]

guy is pretty stylish

the silence hear speaks volumes as mentioned

That is what i thought too it looks like if you got 30 more of them like this it would be an awesome Riverdance

[pologq]

i am assuming thread is dead. at least we got the Aardvark.

[captrobey]

i am assuming thread is dead. at least we got the Aardvark.

And Bigfoot

[Judge Crater]

The worst thing about this thread is that I was actually forced into defending MYB on a declined payout.

[SportsBettor74]

OP claims 84K withdrawals. 84/2 = 42 weeks. So he has been at the flaw for at least 42 weeks.

I think we know of 8 (?) confirmed users of the exploit? It's likely this is the thin edge of the wedge. Assume 20 users at the flaw for 42 weeks = 42 x 20 x 2k = 1680k loss to MyBookie = 1.68M

Imagine now that MyBookie didn't have the 2k limit in place to protect them. Say it was 10k. 1.68M x 5 = 8.4M loss to MyBookie.

I think they probably would have worked it out prior to 8.4M loss and put some kind of stop to it. But 8.4M would have broken Mybookie (?).

If that had happened then all MyBookie account holders would have lost their balances.

[pologq]

OP claims 84K withdrawals. 84/2 = 42 weeks. So he has been at the flaw for at least 42 weeks.

I think we know of 8 (?) confirmed users of the exploit? It's likely this is the thin edge of the wedge. Assume 20 users at the flaw for 42 weeks = 42 x 20 x 2k = 1680k loss to MyBookie = 1.68M

Imagine now that MyBookie didn't have the 2k limit in place to protect them. Say it was 10k. 1.68M x 5 = 8.4M loss to MyBookie.

I think they probably would have worked it out prior to 8.4M loss and put some kind of stop to it. But 8.4M would have broken Mybookie (?).

If that had happened then all MyBookie account holders would have lost their balances.

[RAIDER1223]

Wtf is this?

Take 5 minutes and read the posts.

We are asking you to confirm if you used this exploit - yes/no answer. If you lie about it you will be caught out. If you don't answer then it means "yes".

Also - if you know rickron or if you have some kind of PM going on with him then get him to publish the ENTIRE conversation with Betsoft.

That's it. Nothing more to say from you.

Your answers. 1. Was not aware of an exploit, so no. Therefore, did not use an exploit. Just played the game and won and lost like other 7-10 slot games.
2. Again, I do not know Rickron. He has messaged me a few times. He is trying get Betsoft to do something but Betsoft is being told that they cannot intervene. That's all I know on that front. No communication with Rickron for a week.

[RAIDER1223]

OP any follow up to our inquiries?

Yes, Sir. Have been away due to work. Will provide an update this evening. Apologies for the delay.

(some of you guys are funny with the "OP is a scammer since he has been silent / silent speaks volumes" stuff). Just unreal. Relax guys, relax. Simmer down.

I'm here...just returned back form being away due to work.

Update later today / tonight.

[RAIDER1223]

"The absolute silence once the community put all of the pieces together is very telling."
"obvious from the start , player is a shot taker"
"most of these issues the guy a scammer"

Common guys. Relax. I'm here. I just got back. I will prove an update tonight. No problem.
Some of you guys have made some pretty wild assumptions and have been brutal in the name calling.

[Ewan101]

Your answers. 1. Was not aware of an exploit, so no. Therefore, did not use an exploit. Just played the game and won and lost like 0the other 7-10 slot games..
2. Again, I do not know Rickron. He has messaged me a few times. He is trying get Betsoft to do something but Betsoft is being told that they cannot intervene. That's all I know on that front. No communication with Rickron for a week.

It sounds like you don't want to call it an exploit.

So how about this? Did you perform the actions described in jp5148 quote below? (Yes/No)

"Lonnie55, the video doesn’t show what they were doing. The bet adjustment doesn’t happen in free spins. On these game every 10 spins the bombs accumulated during the spins turns to wild on 10th spin. So the 10th spin on every game is typically a larger payout. So the glitch allowed them to spin 9 times on the lowest bet amount, then on the 10th spin change bet to higher amount. So all the bombs on 10th spin turn to wild and it’s a big payout. Now that the glitch is fixed every bet change resets bombs accumulated. It’s hope this explanation is not too confusing."

[RAIDER1223]

Just circling back here to see if the OP has circled back to answer these 2 questions:

Did you use the exploit described countless times in this thread? (Yes/No)

Are you able to get rickron to publish the full transcript of his chat with Betsoft (Yes/No)

"Again as mentioned, I will be completely transparent / honest. There is nothing to hide at all. Never has been." - really?

Well it is now Tuesday and not the weekend. Perhaps you could circle back with the answers.

1. Just got back from being away for work. Apologies for the delay. As mentioned, update later today/tonight.
2. No
3. No

Short and sweet. Optional would like this answer. :-)

[RAIDER1223]

All,

I just messaged Rickron. Last communication with him was on 5/14. I've asked him to post the full communication with Betsoft. Not just pieces or excerpts.

[pologq]

so when you accumulated large winnings, you just kept hitting small hits repeatedly and obviously won a lot more spins than you lost? that takes a lot of hours of play right?

just asking, not judging. trying to understand and also get more of an idea if an exploit or flaw was not used.

[Spencerho]

hey Raider, Ive been trying to get in touch with ya but i dont know the best way to do so. I am definitely still active trying to figure out a way to handle this situation.

All,

I just messaged Rickron. Last communication with him was on 5/14. I've asked him to post the full communication with Betsoft. Not just pieces or excerpts.

[Spencerho]

could you message me directly?

[RAIDER1223]

so when you accumulated large winnings, you just kept hitting small hits repeatedly and obviously won a lot more spins than you lost? that takes a lot of hours of play right?

just asking, not judging. trying to understand and also get more of an idea if an exploit or flaw was not used.

Great question. Remember, I played 7-10 slots over a 10-month period. Since the focus is on the Take The Bank and Take Santa's Shop games, I hit both small and large wins on both games at times. Those wins and losses occurred under all types of bet spins; whether at $1, $2, $3, $4, $5, $10, $12, $15, or $20. I played so may spins in 10-months, I have to imagine it was over 150,000-300,000 spins in total. That is just an estimate.

I did win a moderate to a high amount on some days, but also had several days where I got crushed and wanted to throw something at the screen. So, it looked like over an extended period of time, that the game was just "leveling" wins and losses overall; like normal streaks both ways. However, in the end after playing 7-10 slot games over 10 months, I had a large winning balance from playing all of them (Betsoft and Nucleus games).

Bet amounts changed by sheer playing mindset as anyone would bet high or low or medium based upon "streaks" (wins and losses) and just human "feel" (guess). Just normal play. There was no specific pattern or method of specific bet amounts based upon any known or feel that the game had a glitch or something. Again, I never knew or even thought that the two games had an error or glitch. That why I was/am so shocked that my account was all of a sudden disabled, with an ultimate message being told to me that Betsoft informed them of a glitch in those two games specifically, and that they accused me of knowing about a glitch and somehow took advantage of it, and had no proof or specifics about how I could have arbitraged a glitch in my favor. That is why I m so angry about what they have done. The action of disabling my account only took place right after I requested my normal $2,000 weekly payout, whereby I had done that 42 times prior without any issue or pushback. To this day, they still have not provided me with documentation or any specifics to justify their claim. Not one document or analysis to support their claim.

I just played and did nothing wrong and didn't know that any game may have had a glitch or some sort of an issue. I had never played these games prior, so I would not have been able to even recognize a comparable difference whatsoever.

This is the absolute truth and I hope all of you believe me. It is the honest truth.

I know this is kind of a long answer, but as promised, I want to be very clear and transparent in my answers.

[RAIDER1223]

hey Raider, Ive been trying to get in touch with ya but i dont know the best way to do so. I am definitely still active trying to figure out a way to handle this situation.

Hey Spencerho. I haven't received any direct messages, but will check again on SBR.

[RAIDER1223]

could you message me directly?

Yes. I will send you a message on SBR.

[RAIDER1223]

It sounds like you don't want to call it an exploit.

So how about this? Did you perform the actions described in jp5148 quote below? (Yes/No)

"Lonnie55, the video doesn’t show what they were doing. The bet adjustment doesn’t happen in free spins. On these game every 10 spins the bombs accumulated during the spins turns to wild on 10th spin. So the 10th spin on every game is typically a larger payout. So the glitch allowed them to spin 9 times on the lowest bet amount, then on the 10th spin change bet to higher amount. So all the bombs on 10th spin turn to wild and it’s a big payout. Now that the glitch is fixed every bet change resets bombs accumulated. It’s hope this explanation is not too confusing."

Ok. Let me begin by stating this: I gave you the answers to asked for, which were a simple "yes" or "no". I answered those exactly how you asked; with a simple "yes" or "no".

I'm not going to call it an "exploit" because I was not aware that there could have been or was an issue with the slot games. I have stated this numerous times throughout this entire post. If you are assuming MYB's claim that there WAS an "exploit", then you can take that side. However, I DID NOT know and WAS NOT aware that there was even a glitch or.....using your word...an "exploit" in those two games.

Regarding your other question that you point to Lonnie55 / jp5148, the answer is "NO". Besides, the game doesn't play that way and cannot play that way. Why? Because if you change your bet AT ANY TIME WITHIN the 10-spin cycle, a message comes up warning you that you will LOSE any and all established Burglars ("Wilds") if you move off the 10-spin cycle before completing the entire cycle. That is the risk the Player takes if you all of a sudden elect to change the bet amount.

This is a major point for all of the doubters on this board. This eliminates and quashes the whole MYB argument that the Player knew of a glitch and somehow took advantage of it, even if in the way that jp5148/Lonnie have theorized, which cannot be done. Essentially, it is the end of the MYB argument. This is why there is no data or document(s) that has been provided to me by MYB, because MYB's claim cannot be supported.

What jp5148 has stated is completely FALSE. The game does not play that way and cannot play that way. COMPLETELY FALSE.

[RAIDER1223]

A QUICK SHOUTOUT TO "OPTIONAL"

As a side note here. I just want to state to "Optional" that I did not mean to offend you or cause any problems. I really appreciate what you have done so far and what you do for this board and for SBR overall. I am sorry if I offended you or caused any problems. It was not and has never been my intention at all.

This is a very frustrating and unfair situation that is very, very stressful and completely unwarranted and unsubstantiated.

I could use your help Optional. I'm sure Spencerho and Rickron can too.

I hope you will give another chance.

Thank you Optional.

RAIDER1223

[milwaukee mike]

Great question. Remember, I played 7-10 slots over a 10-month period. Since the focus is on the Take The Bank and Take Santa's Shop games, I hit both small and large wins on both games at times. Those wins and losses occurred under all types of bet spins; whether at $1, $2, $3, $4, $5, $10, $12, $15, or $20. I played so may spins in 10-months, I have to imagine it was over 150,000-300,000 spins in total. That is just an estimate.

I did win a moderate to a high amount on some days, but also had several days where I got crushed and wanted to throw something at the screen. So, it looked like over an extended period of time, that the game was just "leveling" wins and losses overall; like normal streaks both ways. However, in the end after playing 7-10 slot games over 10 months, I had a large winning balance from playing all of them (Betsoft and Nucleus games).

Bet amounts changed by sheer playing mindset as anyone would bet high or low or medium based upon "streaks" (wins and losses) and just human "feel" (guess). Just normal play. There was no specific pattern or method of specific bet amounts based upon any known or feel that the game had a glitch or something. Again, I never knew or even thought that the two games had an error or glitch. That why I was/am so shocked that my account was all of a sudden disabled, with an ultimate message being told to me that Betsoft informed them of a glitch in those two games specifically, and that they accused me of knowing about a glitch and somehow took advantage of it, and had no proof or specifics about how I could have arbitraged a glitch in my favor. That is why I m so angry about what they have done. The action of disabling my account only took place right after I requested my normal $2,000 weekly payout, whereby I had done that 42 times prior without any issue or pushback. To this day, they still have not provided me with documentation or any specifics to justify their claim. Not one document or analysis to support their claim.

I just played and did nothing wrong and didn't know that any game may have had a glitch or some sort of an issue. I had never played these games prior, so I would not have been able to even recognize a comparable difference whatsoever.

This is the absolute truth and I hope all of you believe me. It is the honest truth.

I know this is kind of a long answer, but as promised, I want to be very clear and transparent in my answers.

ok so we are to believe you shoved off 2 million bucks into a slot with a -4% ev, and instead of losing 80,000 you miraculously won 300,000

i think your odds of doing that with random betting (instead of using the advantage that many other people knew about and exploited) are lower than the odds of you being eaten by a poodle