[Miz]

It is fundamentally unimportant how the gains occurred unless the player had an inside role in the software development. Nobody is doubting that it is statistically improbable that a player won this amount. The player is not responsible for knowing if a game is flawed or not. It is also unimportant whether other players won or lost on this game. Your experience "over the years" with other games you've seen is not a credible comparison either.

So that leaves the book with two options... suspend all future payments and provide evidence of the exploitative play and demonstrate that he knowingly used a flaw in the game to win... or just pay him.

[ace7550]

You would not have deposited anyway so no loss.

[Miz]

by some people's viewpoint, if they found any type of systematic +EV opportunity, they should not take it because it is exploitative play. So if 5 years ago they won 100k on correlated parlays then this would be a self-policing activity, that the player should have immediately alerted the book about, right? He shouldn't be paid then right? Shitty live betting apps that are easy to beat also fall under this nebulous set of rules? No, they ****** up, and are responsible for the results of their software, unless they can prove he used inside information to exploit a flaw. In which case, PROVIDE HIM WITH THE EVIDENCE. You don't get it both ways.

[Roger T. Bannon]

Since Mr. Slater's name has been mentioned by several of you in this post. Mr. Slater is the General Manager of My Bookie. Please feel free to email Mr. Slater your support in having My Bookie do the right thing and put the entire $210,085.70 back on the account and re-enable the account.

Here is Mr. Slater's email address for those interested:

jake@mybookie.ag

For additional My Bookie contacts (if you would like to "cc;" any of them):

Account Services: accountservices@mybcasinomail.com
MYB Casino Customer Service: support@mybcasino.ag

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This is how you don't get paid.

[RAIDER1223]

This is how you don't get paid.

Thanks. I don't have the money. They seized it.

You've been saying all along stuff like "I don't expect the Player to be paid". "My Bookie won't pay him". My Bookie won't lose a dime".

So, since you know everything RTB, then how do I get paid then? You have that answer, right? Why don't you help out versus criticizing everything people say?

[RAIDER1223]

This is how you don't get paid.

I think RTB works for My Bookie. He always takes the book's / casino's side.

Probably pays him to scope these forums boards since he is on them about 14 hours during the day.

[ace7550]

You don't get it both ways.

This. Exactly. Either pay or explain. Very simple.

[ace7550]

How much were you betting per spin Raider?

[tommir99]

I guess the glitch (if there ever was one) is now fully fixed because those same games can be found in many casinos right now. Why would they let anyone play those games if there is a glitch?

[RAIDER1223]

This is how you don't get paid.

Here's the deal RTB. I don't care. They stole my money. Balance is zero and the reason for seizure are bogus and you know it.

Tell your friends at My Bookie that this forum will continue to have nearly 99% of the posters continue to beat on them until they pay up.

If and when they do, yours truly will write a very nice post to commend them for doing the right thing and I (and am sure others) will give them props.

Until then, the beating will continue until my balance.....the FULL balance.....is returned back to the account with full, unrestricted access for play and/or payout.

99% of us all agree that what they have done is wrong, fraudulent, and essentially criminal. I know it, you know it, we all know it.

You are in the vast minority, my friend. Keep letting your "1099 employer" My Bookie know that they are continuing to be pummeled on this forum for their action of illegitimate seizure of a Player's winnings.

There is a reason why this post is the #1 post on SBR. Because people are pissed-off about this and posters are chiming-in to lend their support.

You keep chiming in too, because you love the drama, the self-attention, the role of playing the Negative Villain, and it appears you seem to be doing that on a lot of other posts on SBR. Everyday, all day.

If you are retired and like doing stuff like that, then fine. You have that right, of course. However, if you aren't retired, perhaps you should put your angry, negative attention in finding a job that will allow you to interact with the public in-person, so you can tell everyone that they are wrong about everything. Malls are good for that. So are restaurants. Maybe even a convenience store clerk could work too.

Guys like you are funny though. Always taking the other side in a negative way, but NEVER offers a solution to the angry, negative problem that you have.

[RAIDER1223]

I guess the glitch (if there ever was one) is now fully fixed because those same games can be found in many casinos right now. Why would they let anyone play those games if there is a glitch?

Exactly tommir99

[RAIDER1223]

How much were you betting per spin Raider?

Various ace7550. There were about 8-10 betting options on many of those slot games.

[ace7550]

Various ace7550. There were about 8-10 betting options on many of those slot games.

Give me an average

[RAIDER1223]

Give me an average

Don't know that? Played thousands of hands. Why does it matter? You a mole for Betsoft or My Bookie or something? :-)

[Roger T. Bannon]

Here's the deal RTB. I don't care. They stole my money. Balance is zero and the reason for seizure are bogus and you know it.

Tell your friends at My Bookie that this forum will continue to have nearly 99% of the posters continue to beat on them until they pay up.

If and when they do, yours truly will write a very nice post to commend them for doing the right thing and I (and am sure others) will give them props.

Until then, the beating will continue until my balance.....the FULL balance.....is returned back to the account with full, unrestricted access for play and/or payout.

99% of us all agree that what they have done is wrong, fraudulent, and essentially criminal. I know it, you know it, we all know it.

You are in the vast minority, my friend. Keep letting your "1099 employer" My Bookie know that they are continuing to be pummeled on this forum for their action of illegitimate seizure of a Player's winnings.

There is a reason why this post is the #1 post on SBR. Because people are pissed-off about this and posters are chiming-in to lend their support.

You keep chiming in too, because you love the drama, the self-attention, the role of playing the Negative Villain, and it appears you seem to be doing that on a lot of other posts on SBR. Everyday, all day.

If you are retired and like doing stuff like that, then fine. You have that right. of course. However, if you aren't retired, perhaps you should put your angry, negative attention in finding a job that will allow you to interact with the public in-person, so you can tell everyone that they are wrong about everything. Malls are good for that. So are restaurants. Maybe a convenience store clerk could work too.

Guys like you are funny though. Always taking the other side in a negative way, but NEVER offer a solution to the angry, negative problem that you have.

I've said this is an interesting situation and you were a pro and beat the program and I didn't think you were getting paid. That is all that I have said. I just summarized the situation accurately which you have not liked. I am the one that does not care. I don't care if you get paid or not. You made $84,000 and I tip my hat to you.

[ace7550]

Don't know that? Played thousands of hands. Why does it matter? You a mole for Betsoft or My Bookie or something? :-)

Yeah, I've posted 3000 times here on SBR (none of which are about betsoft or mybookie) just for this moment to be a spy for them.
It's not a difficult question. Why can't you answer it? I'm trying to get to the bottom of what happened.

[Roger T. Bannon]

Yeah, I've posted 3000 times here on SBR (none of which are about betsoft or mybookie) just for this moment to be a spy for them.
It's not a difficult question. Why can't you answer it? I'm trying to get to the bottom of what happened.

If he answers it, he gives away the math edge.

[RAIDER1223]

Yeah, I've posted 3000 times here on SBR (none of which are about betsoft or mybookie) just for this moment to be a spy for them.
It's not a difficult question. Why can't you answer it? I'm trying to get to the bottom of what happened.

Again, I don't know the average bet size, but if you want something for this, go with $3-$5. I played multiple slots.....about 7-10 of them. Both Betsoft and Nucleus.

I'm not concerned about the technical aspects of what they claim to be software "glitches". My concern is getting my balance of $210,085.70 back.

Alleged software "glitches" is between Betsoft and My Bookie. Not me.

[ace7550]

Wow! $3-$5! Ok so there was a glitch. No doubt about it. Mathematical certainty. I can't believe Mybookie let it go that far. What fukcing morons
I'm jealous. I wish I had found that glitch.
Even if you didn't know about the glitch I'm sure you are smart enough to know something is mathematically wrong when you are up 200k betting $3-$5 on a -ev game.
Should Mybookie pay you? Yes. Will they? I highly doubt it.
I still wish you luck though. At least you got 84k. I'm amazed that shit book paid you anywhere near that much.

[RAIDER1223]

Wow! $3-$5! Ok so there was a glitch. No doubt about it. Mathematical certainty. I can't believe Mybookie let it go that far. What fukcing morons
I'm jealous. I wish I had found that glitch.
Even if you didn't know about the glitch I'm sure you are smart enough to know something is mathematically wrong when you are up 200k betting $3-$5 on a -ev game.
Should Mybookie pay you? Yes. Will they? I highly doubt it.
I still wish you luck though. At least you got 84k. I'm amazed that shit book paid you anywhere near that much.

LOL. Awesome theory. If someone bets $3-5 on a slot it all of a sudden equates to a glitch in 7 slot games operated by two different slot software companies? HAHAHA. $3-5 is just a number I gave you just to answer your question. It doesn't mean that is what I actually bet....I don't even know that. Never tracked it. There was no reason to ever track that.

People in Vegas bet $2-$10-$15 per spin all the time. Never a glitch in any of those games. LOL.

Thanks for thinking I'm so smart that I somehow found a "glitch" with an online slot game...7 of them....operated by two operators. LOL.

Nice try though. I do appreciate the props, but the theory doesn't work at all. No evidence in just saying there was a glitch when a Player bets a certain amount. LOL.

Thanks again for the props though.

[Optional]

Wow! $3-$5! Ok so there was a glitch. No doubt about it. Mathematical certainty. I can't believe Mybookie let it go that far. What fukcing morons
I'm jealous. I wish I had found that glitch.
Even if you didn't know about the glitch I'm sure you are smart enough to know something is mathematically wrong when you are up 200k betting $3-$5 on a -ev game.
Should Mybookie pay you? Yes. Will they? I highly doubt it.
I still wish you luck though. At least you got 84k. I'm amazed that shit book paid you anywhere near that much.

It's an unusual win and the amount and length of the profitable run should have raised red flags.

But him beating the odds alone is not enough to say he found some secret edge.

[BrickJames]

What is RNG technology?

[DontTailMe]

What is RNG technology?

Random number generator. Nothing fancy.

Technically, what we're really we're talking about here is pseudo-random number generation - an algorithm which simulates randomness, not true randomness.

[pologq]

What is RNG technology?

the same bullshit you hear with blackjack when the dealer gets 21 in 6 cards while you draw 14, 15 and 16 and hit and bust or stand and lose

[littlekona]

Heritage offers Take Santa and they have area where you can play for free so if anyone wants to check out. These seri of slots do have a bit of strategy as every 10 spins the bombs blow up as wild and you can also buy wild's and spins for a price. Out of all the slots i have ever messed around with these seem to have the least amount of variance and least amount of loss. No huge payouts or long losing streaks. they are my go to slot to pass time when bored

[ace7550]

LOL. Awesome theory. If someone bets $3-5 on a slot it all of a sudden equates to a glitch in 7 slot games operated by two different slot software companies? HAHAHA. $3-5 is just a number I gave you just to answer your question. It doesn't mean that is what I actually bet....I don't even know that. Never tracked it. There was no reason to ever track that.

People in Vegas bet $2-$10-$15 per spin all the time. Never a glitch in any of those games. LOL.

Thanks for thinking I'm so smart that I somehow found a "glitch" with an online slot game...7 of them....operated by two operators. LOL.

Nice try though. I do appreciate the props, but the theory doesn't work at all. No evidence in just saying there was a glitch when a Player bets a certain amount. LOL.

Thanks again for the props though.

Not a theory. Just math. Standard Deviation. It's just not mathematically possible unless the game is +ev. And they definitely don't design those slots to be +ev.
I'm not accusing you of anything. You found a game that let you win and that's great.

[ace7550]

What was the highest amount you ever won on one spin at this game?

[Crusherrr]

Odds you didn't find a glitch here are 1 in a million.

I would know- I beat Ignition/Bovada up for a fortune when I found loopholes in their system. They called me and I had to tell them exactly what I was doing and they'd pay me out my full balance and let me keep the accounts. This was before I even bet on sports.

I've also found edges in casino software that based off timing and how cards are shown on screen you can be certain what the dealer has AND what the dealer will get regardless of your action(Blackjack). Made it so I'd not double down or split in clear opportune spots, and hit 17s-20s. Double down in weird spots, split in weird spots, etc.

At $3-$5 average spin, with this type of longevity of winning, you found something. I don't blame you for not saying what it was, but why not go beat up other sites with Betsoft slots. If this was a site you won on that was more credible, maybe you get paid. MyBookie, even though I play with them at times, is most likely not going to pay you this balance. I'd be thrilled to already have gotten away with this for as long as you did and for the amount you did.

Best of luck either way.

[pologq]

Odds you didn't find a glitch here are 1 in a million.

I would know- I beat Ignition/Bovada up for a fortune when I found loopholes in their system. They called me and I had to tell them exactly what I was doing and they'd pay me out my full balance and let me keep the accounts. This was before I even bet on sports.

I've also found edges in casino software that based off timing and how cards are shown on screen you can be certain what the dealer has AND what the dealer will get regardless of your action(Blackjack). Made it so I'd not double down or split in clear opportune spots, and hit 17s-20s. Double down in weird spots, split in weird spots, etc.

At $3-$5 average spin, with this type of longevity of winning, you found something. I don't blame you for not saying what it was, but why not go beat up other sites with Betsoft slots. If this was a site you won on that was more credible, maybe you get paid. MyBookie, even though I play with them at times, is most likely not going to pay you this balance. I'd be thrilled to already have gotten away with this for as long as you did and for the amount you did.

Best of luck either way.

nice job. glad you made $$$ from this.

[Crusherrr]

These games he was playing have 96.08% RTP apparently. Certainly good for slots- but nothing but a glitch could explain him racking up a balance as high as he has.

[ace7550]

Odds you didn't find a glitch here are 1 in a million.

I would know- I beat Ignition/Bovada up for a fortune when I found loopholes in their system. They called me and I had to tell them exactly what I was doing and they'd pay me out my full balance and let me keep the accounts. This was before I even bet on sports.

That's awesome
So did you tell them and did they pay you? It's crazy that they couldn't find their own loophole and they had to come with their tales between their legs and ask you.

[captrobey]

What is RNG technology?

Real Nasty Gremlins. Anytime someone starts winning they are hired by casinos to come and screw you.

[Crusherrr]

That's awesome
So did you tell them and did they pay you? It's crazy that they couldn't find their own loophole and they had to come with their tales between their legs and ask you.

Yep- I was on the phone in my kids daycare parking lot about to go in. I pick up the phone and some lady starts yelling her head off, saying we know what you're up to, your balance is going to be confiscated, don't try this on any other accounts or it will end up with the same result and hangs up on me before I can mutter a word.

Then I call back and they say I'll get paid if I give them the information they want. They didn't end up fixing it on their end for probably close to a year after. It still lets you game the system, but they know how to see what you're doing now before paying you out.

[ace7550]

Yep- I was on the phone in my kids daycare parking lot about to go in. I pick up the phone and some lady starts yelling her head off, saying we know what you're up to, your balance is going to be confiscated, don't try this on any other accounts or it will end up with the same result and hangs up on me before I can mutter a word.

Then I call back and they say I'll get paid if I give them the information they want. They didn't end up fixing it on their end for probably close to a year after. It still lets you game the system, but they know how to see what you're doing now before paying you out.

I love that story man. What a funny interaction that must have been.

[Crusherrr]

I hope this guy gets paid- I do. Especially because it's on MyBookie because who here doesn't want to see them have to pay this man his money.

However, I really don't see that being the end result here. I'm more surprised he ended up being paid what he did already.