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    Hi Optional,

    FYI: I will be reaching-out to you privately with an update about the latest from this side that should help in your efforts with MYB. Thanks.

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    spencer brought up some very good points. i appreciate the detail he explained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIDER1223 View Post
    Hi Optional,

    FYI: I will be reaching-out to you privately with an update about the latest from this side that should help in your efforts with MYB. Thanks.
    Raider, I am not going to reply to your PM/lecture because it is pathetic. I do not owe you any apology, but thank you for giving me a good laugh to start my day. If anything, you owe everyone here an apology for being rude and wasting our time. SBR attracts a lot of scammers who hope to use its services to get compensation or to at least flame the sportsbook which caught them during the process. Therefore, it is important for this community to scrutinize all claims made. Almost everyone here means well - they simply want to seek the truth because we all rely on knowing the truth in various ways. You took this way too personally and attacked posters for fulfilling their obligation to the community. I did not attack you from the start. As others have pointed out, you made anyone who voiced even a slight disagreement with points in your posts your sworn enemy.

    You handled this situation completely wrong by not being up front with information, twisting/obfuscating the truth where you deemed it necessary, and attacking anyone who dared to challenge you (even when they voiced support for your case in other ways). Your mishandling of this case is not my fault. In contrast, Spencerho should be commended for how he has communicated in the last few pages. If you had taken a similar approach, things would have worked out much differently for you. Perhaps you'll gain some benefit off of the back of his good work. Best of luck. Let this be a lesson to all future claimants. Be up front and tell the truth. If you have something to hide, you're almost certainly not going to win a dispute anyways. And being shifty raises red flags with people very quickly and turns things into the kind of mess you saw here. Posters in this subforum have been around the block a few times.

    Now please stop messaging me. Anything you and I have to discuss should be done here in public - this is the proper forum.
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    Summary of the position:

    - See prior posts: We all know it is mathematically impossible for 8+ players to rack up 200k+ on a 96% RTP slot - all agree about this

    - We have been trying to get to the bottom of what the exploit was

    - It looked like the answer to the exploit was in the jp5418 post about the 10 spin cycle (adjusting bet size on the 10th spin)

    - Spencer (far more trustworthy, rational and balanced than the OP) has stated that this is not the case

    - We know there was an exploit **somewhere** because of this quote from Optional (the most trusted source here at SBR):

    "
    The problem is that there is no need to accept a loss, as the game setting allowed players to keep resetting to start the feature again multiple times.

    It no longer works that way.
    "

    - rickron (another 200k+ winner on the "Take The xxxx" slots) also admits he used the exploit:

    "
    This feature that allows players to adjust their bet amount was integrated into the gameplay from the very beginning of its release date in 2019"


    - So there was an exploit but at this stage we do not know the precise details (it sounds like Optional does)

    - The only slot MYB and Betsoft are interested in is the "Take The xxxxx" slots. No other slots have been questioned by these companies.

    - The OP tried to smoke screen / obfuscate
    this on multiple occasions by mentioning other slots - but we all know from this thread that the only way you can accrue 300k+ from a 96% RTP slot is via an exploit - and the only slots that had an exploit were the "Take The xxxx" slots

    - MYB decided to withhold payment to those individuals who used the exploit on the "Take The xxxx" slots

    As far as I am aware this is the current position.

    Maybe soon we will have a clearer picture of the exact nature of the exploit based on the Optional quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DontTailMe View Post
    Raider, I am not going to reply to your PM because it is pathetic. I do not owe you any apology, but thank you for giving me a good laugh to start my day. If anything, you owe everyone here an apology for being rude and wasting our time. SBR attracts a lot of scammers who hope to use its services to get compensation or flame the sportsbook which caught them, at the very least. Therefore, it is important for this community to scrutinize all claims made. You took this way too personally and attacked posters for fulfilling their obligation to the community. I did not attack you from the start. As others have pointed out, you made anyone who voiced even a slight disagreement with points in your posts your sworn enemy.

    You handled this situation completely wrong by not being up front with information, twisting/obfuscating the truth where you deemed it necessary, and attacking anyone who dared to challenge you (even when they voiced support for your case in other ways). Your mishandling of this case is not my fault. In contrast, Spencerho should be commended for how he has communicated in the last few pages. If you had taken a similar approach, things would have worked out much differently for you. Perhaps you'll gain some benefit off of the back of his good work. Best of luck. And please stop messaging me.
    Oh Wow.

    He PM'd you too?

    I guess he PM'd all the people on his "unintelligent bum" / moron list.


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    210k seriously ?? What did u do wrong.....and if it was legit bets why not pick a top 3 book usa or a legal one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsBettor74 View Post
    Oh Wow.

    He PM'd you too?

    I guess he PM'd all the people on his "unintelligent bum" / moron list.

    I also received a PM from "Raider". It seems to be a copy-and-paste job. I think he has been stalking my posts here because he continually referred to me as "EU Ewan". I guess I must have mentioned that I am in the EU in some prior post here.

    Here are the highlights:

    "Bottom line is this. You're a total jerk and an asshole."
    "You and about 6 others on this post look foolish in claiming my station was a total fraud and that I scammed the booked , purposely exposed flaws or exploits, and was a cheater."
    "You and about 6 others owe me a sincere apology"
    "You're from the EU and it just exemplifies why most of the world think very lowly of many in the EU."
    "Spencerho validated my claim and came to the rescue to put punks like yourself in your place"

    I replied telling him to never message me again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsBettor74 View Post
    Oh Wow.

    He PM'd you too?

    I guess he PM'd all the people on his "unintelligent bum" / moron list.

    He PM'd me, too. He called me an "asshole" and asked me to apologize.

    From now on he's on my ignore list.

    / Oh, I've overlooked Ewan's post. Pretty much same PM.
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    I didn't get a PM from him. I feel left out

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsBettor74 View Post
    Summary of the position:

    - See prior posts: We all know it is mathematically impossible for 8+ players to rack up 200k+ on a 96% RTP slot - all agree about this

    - We have been trying to get to the bottom of what the exploit was

    - It looked like the answer to the exploit was in the jp5418 post about the 10 spin cycle (adjusting bet size on the 10th spin)

    - Spencer (far more trustworthy, rational and balanced than the OP) has stated that this is not the case

    - We know there was an exploit **somewhere** because of this quote from Optional (the most trusted source here at SBR):

    "
    The problem is that there is no need to accept a loss, as the game setting allowed players to keep resetting to start the feature again multiple times.

    It no longer works that way.
    "

    - rickron (another 200k+ winner on the "Take The xxxx" slots) also admits he used the exploit:

    "
    This feature that allows players to adjust their bet amount was integrated into the gameplay from the very beginning of its release date in 2019"


    - So there was an exploit but at this stage we do not know the precise details (it sounds like Optional does)

    - The only slot MYB and Betsoft are interested in is the "Take The xxxxx" slots. No other slots have been questioned by these companies.

    - The OP tried to smoke screen / obfuscate
    this on multiple occasions by mentioning other slots - but we all know from this thread that the only way you can accrue 300k+ from a 96% RTP slot is via an exploit - and the only slots that had an exploit were the "Take The xxxx" slots

    - MYB decided to withhold payment to those individuals who used the exploit on the "Take The xxxx" slots

    As far as I am aware this is the current position.

    Maybe soon we will have a clearer picture of the exact nature of the exploit based on the Optional quote.
    Here's a summary of my position: Nothing is "mathematically impossible". Instead events can be increasingly more mathematically improbable as is obviously the case here. Regardless, it is the Book's responsibility to prove this "exploit" as you call it, if they decide to withhold payment from the players. Did My Bookie do this? Not to my satisfaction, and certainly not to that of the players affected. But you and others have been quick to support this shiit Book from the start. How about the countless times that Books use rigged casinos to drain players' balances? When some poor degenerate loses 15-20 straight hands of Blackjack, where are you and the math police to defend the improbability of this? This seems to happen all too often, with Books using an"exploit" to curb a hot casino player and basically steal their winnings and then some. Basically it's the wild wild west for casino players. There's little to no regulation, so Books can do to you whatever they want. Why someone would willingly participate in this -Ev situation is beyond me.

    To summarize: Casino players should not expect to win, and when they do, Books need not pay. And that seems to be ok with you.
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    Hasn't just about everyone here stipulated that we're talking about a shitbook? Personally, from the very beginning, I've celebrated these players taking MyB out to the woodshed because they deserve it. Meanwhile, if trying to inject some reality into the conversation is a sin, then I'm guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DontTailMe View Post
    Hasn't just about everyone here stipulated that we're talking about a shitbook? Personally, from the very beginning, I've celebrated these players taking MyB out to the woodshed because they deserve it. Meanwhile, if trying to inject some reality into the conversation is a sin, then I'm guilty.
    No, that's not my take. SB74, who has had his lips firmly implanted on your azz this entire thread, claims he wants to protect the rest of us from cheating casino players that drain Book funds from legitimate players. He wants to "preserve the integrity" of betting for all of us. He's a self-righteous azz that needs to be called out. His constant need to summarize the thread for the rest of us is insulting, and frankly opinionated as well as inaccurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HedgeHog View Post
    Here's a summary of my position: Nothing is "mathematically impossible". Instead events can be increasingly more mathematically improbable as is obviously the case here. Regardless, it is the Book's responsibility to prove this "exploit" as you call it, if they decide to withhold payment from the players. Did My Bookie do this? Not to my satisfaction, and certainly not to that of the players affected. But you and others have been quick to support this shiit Book from the start. How about the countless times that Books use rigged casinos to drain players' balances? When some poor degenerate loses 15-20 straight hands of Blackjack, where are you and the math police to defend the improbability of this? This seems to happen all too often, with Books using an"exploit" to curb a hot casino player and basically steal their winnings and then some. Basically it's the wild wild west for casino players. There's little to no regulation, so Books can do to you whatever they want. Why someone would willingly participate in this -Ev situation is beyond me.

    To summarize: Casino players should not expect to win, and when they do, Books need not pay. And that seems to be ok with you.
    your blackjack point is a good analogy to make it here. regardless of what happened, casinos only like when things happen in their favor. since this costs them money, they are quick to shut it down.
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    TO: Judge Crater / DontTailMe / jacksonstreet / SportsBetter74 / lonnie55 / Ewan101:

    My points have been made to the 6 of you in private as a tie-off to how crappy each of you have treated me from the onset of this post. It's not about the fact that each of you disagreed with my position. It has nothing to do with that. Disagreeing with me is not the issue here. It's about your approach when disagreeing. It's only about how each of you came out of the gates to be extremely rude, mean, hostile, and firmly cement and demonstrate why social media is arguably one of the worst things the human race has ever created. I'm happy to see that each of you mentioned pieces of the private message in public. Of course the other parts weren't shared because you don't want those mentioned on this forum. It makes too much sense, and I'm sure most on this forum would side with myself if they read the whole private message without each of you cropping out pieces of it to try and somehow make yourselves look good. I don't care about looking good or making friends here. In actuality, I have made some new friends on SBR during this post, and that is honestly the coolest part of it all. I care about three things with my original post: 1. To seek help from SBR to help capture my account and balance back. 2. To help inform and protect any Player affected by a similar treatment by MYB / MYB Casino. 3. To warn all Players to be extremely careful when looking to potentially play at MYB / MYB Casino. That's all.

    It doesn't surprise me a single bit that each of you did what I expected each of you to do: to make a "reaction" and to make that reaction in public. I respected each of you enough to send you my thoughts about your treatment of myself in private, but you chose to make parts of it public. Honestly, I expected this. My message was written with the potential that it would be posted by at least one of you.

    I won't share what Ewan101 wrote back. I'll spare him out of personal respect. However, he probably won't be able to simmer and hold back. My guess is that he'll "react", just like the other 5 always do.

    Changing gears: I do want to take a sincere moment here and really thank all of you in this post whom took the time to carefully analyze the Matter and use common sense that IT IS possible to win a large amount of money from multiple slot games (not just from one or two which have been primarily focused on during the majority of this post thread), without being called a "Crook", "Exploiter", a "Fake", a "Scammer", a "Shot", a "Liar", a "Multi-SBR Account Created Under One Person" (i.e. Rickron, Spencerho, and Raider1223), or a "Colluder" (i.e. 7 people were "buddies" whom all worked and colluded together).

    I appreciate all of you taking the time to not only read, but really “listen” and “think”, that this Matter of winning a large amount of money from 7-10 slots IS legit, and nothing was done out of the ordinary to obtain the overall winning balance over a long period of time; where both significant wins AND significant losses occurred throughout.

    Thank you to all those whom supported the seriousness of this very stressful Matter throughout, and whom gave a fair chance of possibility and probability, versus those whom decided from the onset to auto-accuse, name call, and being total jerks from the start. Your support throughout means a great deal to me, so I want to state again how much I appreciate each of you!

    Now, I'm am off to focus on the resolution of this Matter with SBR, the Malta Gaming Authority, Gaming Curacao, Curacao e-Gaming, and Betsoft. Spencerho, Optional, Rickron, and I will be working together in hopes that a positive resolution can be made with MYB / MYB Casino. A very good step towards that took place last night.

    To Optional: Once again, I am sorry for my comments at times which were made out of stress, anger from the 6 individuals mentioned at the beginning of this post, and for becoming "unglued" at times when all I wanted to do was provide as much detail as I could from what i personally know about the situation. For the better part of this entire post, I had to take the position of trying to defend myself, rather than just ignoring it and focusing on the other important matters of this situation. Thank you for being patient with me and understanding me. Your advice is well-received, and your belief in myself as an affected Player being unfairly treated by MYB /MYB Casino is invaluable. I look forward to continually to working with you and SBR moving forward.

    To Spencerho: Thank you for validating our positions as affected Players whom were unfairly treated by MYB / MYB Casino. Even though you entered the post late into it, your explanation of additional information with the "Take" slot games (unknown to me, especially post "patch") helped to validate our common positions that we were, in fact, treated unfairly with our balances stolen from us illegitimately. Thank you also for the very kind private message you sent to me yesterday. It means a great deal, Sir.

    To Rickron: Thank you for your kind words, and for your encouragement to stick with this Matter in order to make things right with both MYB / MYB Casino and Betsoft.

    Specerho, Rickron, and Optional: I will be keeping each of you Gentlemen informed.

    Thank you everyone!
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    Some people hate to see others profit greatly. Jealous is indeed a disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlgirl View Post
    Some people hate to see others profit greatly. Jealous is indeed a disease.
    No, not true at all , I just hate to see a player who is a shot taking crook play with one of the most crooked books on the planet

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    what a joke fraudster op is using betsitze trick to make illegal wins which are by definition void and trys to blame the casino here to not pay out the money?

    this story went from strange to lol when somebody claims he is playing betsoft slot and rakes up $200k
    how about posting a video how to you use the betsize trick?

    and for sure many more crooks are blaminging the casino as they all too got +$100K wins all on the same betsize betsoft slot

    as we all know nobody which is hoping for big wins is playing betsoft slots other then crooks who abuse flaws and try to cashout and run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calaudude View Post
    what a joke fraudster op is using betsitze trick to make illegal wins which are by definition void and trys to blame the casino here to not pay out the money?

    this story went from strange to lol when somebody claims he is playing betsoft slot and rakes up $200k
    how about posting a video how to you use the betsize trick?

    and for sure many more crooks are blaminging the casino as they all too got +$100K wins all on the same betsize betsoft slot

    as we all know nobody which is hoping for big wins is playing betsoft slots other then crooks who abuse flaws and try to cashout and run
    Interesting that you joined the forum in the past 24 hours and chose this for your first post ever. I think "Casper" would have been a more appropriate choice for your name. Is this you SB74?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIDER1223 View Post
    1. Just got back from being away for work. Apologies for the delay. As mentioned, update later today/tonight.
    2. No
    3. No

    Short and sweet. Optional would like this answer. :-)
    Bullshit.

    This loser should be banned not only from SBR from all offshore books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrakuda View Post
    Bullshit.

    This loser should be banned not only from SBR from all offshore books.
    It has already been proven that he deliberately took advantage of a glitch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommir99 View Post
    It has already been proven that he deliberately took advantage of a glitch?
    Yes. There is countless evidence in this thread that there was a glitch and that the OP deliberately took advantage of it:

    Evidence is:

    - 8+ players who all racked up 200K+ on the same 96% RTP "Take The ..." slots. What a co-incidence.

    - MYB cares only about the "Take the ..." slots. MYB does not care about any other slots. The OP continually tries to mention other slots but this is entirely irrelevant as MYB is not challenging any other slots

    - Mathematicians and statisticians in this thread say it is impossible for 8+ players to rack up 200k+ from the 96% RTP "Take The ..." slots where no jackpots were available - unless there was an exploit

    - Poster rickron admitted to using the glitch

    "This feature that allows players to adjust their bet amount was integrated into the gameplay from the very beginning of its release date in 2019"

    - Admin Optional gave us some details about the glitch:

    "The problem is that there is no need to accept a loss, as the game setting allowed players to keep resetting to start the feature again multiple times. It no longer works that way."

    The OP has been very defensive for someone who did not take advantage of an exploit:

    - This event involving the OP sending PMs to those posters here who question the validity of his claim is quite bizarre. He was unable to argue his case on the public forum and therefore had to resort to sending PMs. I for one never called the OP any "name". I don't think the 5 or 6 others on his "unintelligent bum / moron" list called him names or treated him in a "crappy", "rude", "mean" or "hostile" manner. These 6+ posters merely pointed out that there is no doubt that there was an exploit and the OP knowingly exploited it.

    - The only person here who has been "name calling" is the OP - which he has done on countless occasions. For example, the PM's he sent to his "
    unintelligent bum / moron" list describing us (amongst other things) as "jerks and assholes". If you look through all the posts you will see that the posters here questioning his position have stuck to the apparent facts of this case. On multiple occasions it is the OP who has called the posters "names" (including calling Optional names). If the OP is confident that his PMs are balanced and sane then he should just post them here for all to see. The OP should address the arguments presented but because he cannot he resorts to name calling.

    - It seems that the OP is unable to distinguish between genuine and legitimate questioning of the circumstances by which 8+ players made 200k+ from the same two "Take The ..." slots and a personal attack on him. Whenever anyone disagrees with him he takes it as a personal attack and calls these people "names". All you have to do is read his posts to see that this is true. It's called an "ad hominem" argument - where when you cannot win based on the facts you call the other person names.

    - The OP came to this forum hoping to shame MYB into paying out. He did not expect any opposition to his claim. The OP pretended that he started this thread to warn other users. The OP started this thread because he hoped that (if all here agreed with him) that he would have a greater chance of MYB paying out his exploit-gained "winnings". When rational people here questioned the probability of making 200K+ on a 96% RTP slot the OP could not argue against this - so he resorted to name calling.

    - If you compare the way that poster Spencerho has conducted himself here compared to the OP this should be obvious. Poster Spencerho has answered all questions factually and politely. If he disagrees he sticks to the facts and argues calmly and rationally. Is is the OP who has been strangely defensive and resorted to "name calling". I think this says it all
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    Hi Optional ,

    I am dealing with the same issue Spencer is having with Mybookie and Xbet. I was wondering if you could help me with my case as well. I can provide screenshots of my conversation I had with Betsoft, claiming that the game never had any malfunctions or issues and other supporting documents to support this case. I would greatly appreciate your help.

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommir99 View Post
    It has already been proven that he deliberately took advantage of a glitch?
    Betsoft say there was no glitch or software error.

    They "suggest" the operator settings made it operate the way it did.

    Not confirmed as yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Betsoft say there was no glitch or software error.

    They "suggest" the operator settings made it operate the way it did.

    Not confirmed as yet.
    that's interesting

    so maybe the settings at mybookie were totally different than at other books? that would really add to the case, if bookmaker/betonline had settings where you COULDN'T end a cycle by changing the bet size... that would make sense as to why all these cases seem to be at mybookie
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickron View Post
    Hi Optional ,

    I am dealing with the same issue Spencer is having with Mybookie and Xbet. I was wondering if you could help me with my case as well. I can provide screenshots of my conversation I had with Betsoft, claiming that the game never had any malfunctions or issues and other supporting documents to support this case. I would greatly appreciate your help.

    Thank you
    Spencer and another player have additional issues over and above the confiscated slot winnings.

    After me asking for weeks, they openly and honestly explained how it worked so I could understand and make a serious attempt finally.

    I am advocating for them right now and will not be muddying that focus. If we get a result, that will translate to the rest of you.

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    Hey Optional,

    I just sent you a email with a very clear video of the original gameplay settings; it took me a while to find but it should be sufficient enough evidence showing that there was in fact no glitch at all and that Betsoft & MyBookie were always aware that the bet cycles could be switched midway through. Compare it with the current game play settings and you'll be able to see the difference clearly.

    Thanks for the Betsoft update, this is good news. Add that along with my gameplay video and you will clearly see that MyBookie is straight up lying about this entire situation and has absolutely no justification to ban our accounts or withhold our funds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Betsoft say there was no glitch or software error.

    They "suggest" the operator settings made it operate the way it did.

    Not confirmed as yet.

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    Really appreciate it! Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Spencer and another player have additional issues over and above the confiscated slot winnings.

    After me asking for weeks, they openly and honestly explained how it worked so I could understand and make a serious attempt finally.

    I am advocating for them right now and will not be muddying that focus. If we get a result, that will translate to the rest of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsBettor74 View Post
    Yes. There is countless evidence in this thread that there was a glitch and that the OP deliberately took advantage of it:

    Evidence is:

    - 8+ players who all racked up 200K+ on the same 96% RTP "Take The ..." slots. What a co-incidence.

    - MYB cares only about the "Take the ..." slots. MYB does not care about any other slots. The OP continually tries to mention other slots but this is entirely irrelevant as MYB is not challenging any other slots

    - Mathematicians and statisticians in this thread say it is impossible for 8+ players to rack up 200k+ from the 96% RTP "Take The ..." slots where no jackpots were available - unless there was an exploit

    - Poster rickron admitted to using the glitch

    "This feature that allows players to adjust their bet amount was integrated into the gameplay from the very beginning of its release date in 2019"

    - Admin Optional gave us some details about the glitch:

    "The problem is that there is no need to accept a loss, as the game setting allowed players to keep resetting to start the feature again multiple times. It no longer works that way."

    The OP has been very defensive for someone who did not take advantage of an exploit:

    - This event involving the OP sending PMs to those posters here who question the validity of his claim is quite bizarre. He was unable to argue his case on the public forum and therefore had to resort to sending PMs. I for one never called the OP any "name". I don't think the 5 or 6 others on his "unintelligent bum / moron" list called him names or treated him in a "crappy", "rude", "mean" or "hostile" manner. These 6+ posters merely pointed out that there is no doubt that there was an exploit and the OP knowingly exploited it.

    - The only person here who has been "name calling" is the OP - which he has done on countless occasions. For example, the PM's he sent to his "
    unintelligent bum / moron" list describing us (amongst other things) as "jerks and assholes". If you look through all the posts you will see that the posters here questioning his position have stuck to the apparent facts of this case. On multiple occasions it is the OP who has called the posters "names" (including calling Optional names). If the OP is confident that his PMs are balanced and sane then he should just post them here for all to see. The OP should address the arguments presented but because he cannot he resorts to name calling.

    - It seems that the OP is unable to distinguish between genuine and legitimate questioning of the circumstances by which 8+ players made 200k+ from the same two "Take The ..." slots and a personal attack on him. Whenever anyone disagrees with him he takes it as a personal attack and calls these people "names". All you have to do is read his posts to see that this is true. It's called an "ad hominem" argument - where when you cannot win based on the facts you call the other person names.

    - The OP came to this forum hoping to shame MYB into paying out. He did not expect any opposition to his claim. The OP pretended that he started this thread to warn other users. The OP started this thread because he hoped that (if all here agreed with him) that he would have a greater chance of MYB paying out his exploit-gained "winnings". When rational people here questioned the probability of making 200K+ on a 96% RTP slot the OP could not argue against this - so he resorted to name calling.

    - If you compare the way that poster Spencerho has conducted himself here compared to the OP this should be obvious. Poster Spencerho has answered all questions factually and politely. If he disagrees he sticks to the facts and argues calmly and rationally. Is is the OP who has been strangely defensive and resorted to "name calling". I think this says it all
    Do you ever get tired of regurgitating the same BS over and over? Passing your opinions off as "evidence" is laughable. I get that you don't like the OP and want him to get screwed. He called you names and sent you a nasty PM (boo-hoo get over it). Meanwhile Spencer, who has a seemingly similar case against My Bookie, has been straight forward and friendly with the forum, and you appear open to his case being addressed properly. Truth be told, we don't know all the facts of either case, but you seem favorable to one and not the other. So do we now decide cases solely on personalities? Did it ever occur to you that My Bookie, again a shiit book (I can regurgitate too), may share some fault in all these cases, including ones involving people you might not like? IMO you have 2 blind spots in this thread, one involving the OP and the other involving MB. Again that's my opinion and not fact, but at least I know the difference between the two.
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    Hi Optional,

    FYI. I sent you an detailed update earlier today. Thanks.

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    I appreciate it . Thanks for the help regarding this issue.
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    its 100% clear that this slot was buggy and void
    I can just laugh about OP now

    e.g. when you see an ATM which gives you free money because of software error its
    a) still not legal to keep the money
    b) its a laughable to demand the money they dont want to pay you


    pls upload a video how you betsize bug abuse the slot so we can all laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calaudude View Post
    its 100% clear that this slot was buggy and void
    I can just laugh about OP now

    e.g. when you see an ATM which gives you free money because of software error its
    a) still not legal to keep the money
    b) its a laughable to demand the money they dont want to pay you


    pls upload a video how you betsize bug abuse the slot so we can all laugh
    This is wrong and anyone joining the thread at this point should ignore it. From what's been posted the slot game manufacturers created a slot machine betting experience that was financially the equivalent of betting a -108, -108 coin flip line. Instead of leaving the machine as the manufacturers had set it up MyBookie somehow tampered with the settings. That alteration meant it could be manipulated into being a -108, +106(ish) opportunity. Several people identified the alteration and understood that it moved the payout percentage in their favour. They then pummelled the +106 opportunity relentlessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semibluff View Post
    This is wrong and anyone joining the thread at this point should ignore it. From what's been posted the slot game manufacturers created a slot machine betting experience that was financially the equivalent of betting a -108, -108 coin flip line. Instead of leaving the machine as the manufacturers had set it up MyBookie somehow tampered with the settings. That alteration meant it could be manipulated into being a -108, +106(ish) opportunity. Several people identified the alteration and understood that it moved the payout percentage in their favour. They then pummelled the +106 opportunity relentlessly.
    Based on the latest posts from Optional I would have to agree with this post 100% (Optional says the settings thing is "not confirmed as yet" but let's assume for the time being it is confirmed)

    The question of whether this can be labelled as a glitch or exploit is up to the reader.

    Some here think the relentless pummelling is a glitch/exploit and some think it is not.

    A lot of this thread has been dedicated to the "how" did they do it. If the settings thing is true then this has finally been answered.

    Mybookie will be relying on this in their negotiations:

    Quote Originally Posted by SportsBettor74 View Post
    Extracted from MyBookie Terms and Conditions:

    "We reserve the right to deduct from your account any payouts, bonuses, or winnings due to activities which include:

    7. Unfair advantage, which is defined as the abuse of a fault, loophole, or error in our software."

    I suppose we have to ask if the settings thing where the "bet cycles could be switched midway through" and "there is no need to accept a loss, as the game setting allowed players to keep resetting to start the feature again multiple times" qualifies as "abuse of a fault, loophole..." or not (and this on a slot that Mybookie presumably advertises on their site as 96% RTP).

    Different people will have different opinions on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by semibluff View Post
    This is wrong and anyone joining the thread at this point should ignore it. From what's been posted the slot game manufacturers created a slot machine betting experience that was financially the equivalent of betting a -108, -108 coin flip line. Instead of leaving the machine as the manufacturers had set it up MyBookie somehow tampered with the settings. That alteration meant it could be manipulated into being a -108, +106(ish) opportunity. Several people identified the alteration and understood that it moved the payout percentage in their favour. They then pummelled the +106 opportunity relentlessly.
    That's awesome. Great points! You know, without even knowing that there was a flaw, or something wrong with the slot, that would make perfect sense. I guess we all just played it as we saw how the slot was as presented to the Player, and that there were times that it won big and there were definitely times that it lost big. But in the end, a select amount of Players (and there could be more, we don't know) ended-up having a large balance win from that slot and maybe the other Take "slot". It looks like Betsoft had nothing to do with this, and that MYB just screwed it up internally. Unreal if true. But it makes perfect sense though. MYB could have caused their own issue and now doesn't want to take ownership for getting "cute" with the slot and it apparently backfired on them. Could that also mean that MYB was trying to rip the Player if they ended-up changing the settings? It makes for an interesting discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semibluff View Post
    This is wrong and anyone joining the thread at this point should ignore it. From what's been posted the slot game manufacturers created a slot machine betting experience that was financially the equivalent of betting a -108, -108 coin flip line. Instead of leaving the machine as the manufacturers had set it up MyBookie somehow tampered with the settings. That alteration meant it could be manipulated into being a -108, +106(ish) opportunity. Several people identified the alteration and understood that it moved the payout percentage in their favour. They then pummelled the +106 opportunity relentlessly.
    Sounds like MB wasn't happy with the -108 house edge the software was preset to and tampered with it. Instead of increasing their edge, THEY set the odds to roughly +106 in the players' advantage. LOL, how piggish and serves them right that they got burned.

    Just so I fully understand, despite having a +106 edge overall, the player could still lose on each individual spin, correct? In other words, the player merely had a +Ev situation, with NO control of any single outcome?

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