[milwaukee mike]

aw shucks i just assumed everyone could bet $10/spin and win $2000/week every week for 42 weeks in a row without hitting any jackpots, because casinos, and especially online casinos, just love to hand money out to players

[RAIDER1223]

ok so we are to believe you shoved off 2 million bucks into a slot with a -4% ev, and instead of losing 80,000 you miraculously won 300,000

i think your odds of doing that with random betting (instead of using the advantage that many other people knew about and exploited) are lower than the odds of you being eaten by a poodle

I've answered the questions and gave great detail in the answers. Once again, I did not know there was or could have been an exploit, glitch, an issue, or whatever people want to call it. MYB has provided no specifics or any documented evidence to support their claim. I played the slot games as presented and under the rules provided. Any relevance of an issue with any slot game that was recognized by either Betsoft and/or MYB is their issue, not mine. Players should not be subject to balances being stripped when an individual player was not aware that any issue could have been present. I stand by my statements. I will not speak for anyone else as I do not know them and don't know their playing stats or playing habits at all. My statements are true and factual as it relates to my specific situation. Obviously, believe what you want. I'm not here to convince folks whom don't want to take my statements and experience as true. I'm just informing the forum as it relates to my situation and have answered the questions.

[RAIDER1223]

aw shucks i just assumed everyone could bet $10/spin and win $2000/week every week for 42 weeks in a row without hitting any jackpots, because casinos, and especially online casinos, just love to hand money out to players

FYI: The "Take The" games don't have jackpots. They are not progressive slots.

[RAIDER1223]

The absolute silence once the community put all of the pieces together is very telling.

Hate to spoil your party, but you have not put any pieces together. You're back to "square one". Refer to the video of the 10-spin cycle reply I made tonight. The "theory" behind that doesn't work. The Take The Bank game doesn't play that way and doesn't allow a player to bet a low amount for 9 spins and then increase the bet to a large bet for the 10th spin. As stated in my reply, if a player tried to do that, a warning box comes up to let the player know that all landed wilds will be removed if the player moves to another bet amount in cycle.

[RAIDER1223]

But we shouldn't ASSUME that he was a shot taker. Or that he had found a glitch or edge in the game. Right?



We still can't be SURE until he comes back and tells us.

Hello Crusherrr. I hope you are doing well, Sir.

I have answered a lot of questions with great detail today/tonight. Any other questions you want answered? I want to make sure you get all the detail you need.

See how easy and nice I am now? Just easy going. No blasting. No bashing. Just being calm and collected.

[Ewan101]

Ok. Let me begin by stating this: I gave you the answers to asked for, which were a simple "yes" or "no". I answered those exactly how you asked; with a simple "yes" or "no".

I'm not going to call it an "exploit" because I was not aware that there could have been or was an issue with the slot games. I have stated this numerous times throughout this entire post. If you are assuming MYB's claim that there WAS an "exploit", then you can take that side. However, I DID NOT know and WAS NOT aware that there was even a glitch or.....using your word...an "exploit" in those two games.

Regarding your other question that you point to Lonnie55 / jp5148, the answer is "NO". Besides, the game doesn't play that way and cannot play that way. Why? Because if you change your bet AT ANY TIME WITHIN the 10-spin cycle, a message comes up warning you that you will LOSE any and all established Burglars ("Wilds") if you move off the 10-spin cycle before completing the entire cycle. That is the risk the Player takes if you all of a sudden elect to change the bet amount.

This is a major point for all of the doubters on this board. This eliminates and quashes the whole MYB argument that the Player knew of a glitch and somehow took advantage of it, even if in the way that jp5148/Lonnie have theorized, which cannot be done. Essentially, it is the end of the MYB argument. This is why there is no data or document(s) that has been provided to me by MYB, because MYB's claim cannot be supported.

What jp5148 has stated is completely FALSE. The game does not play that way and cannot play that way. COMPLETELY FALSE.

"Regarding your other question that you point to Lonnie55 / jp5148, the answer is "NO". Besides, the game doesn't play that way and cannot play that way. Why? Because if you change your bet AT ANY TIME WITHIN the 10-spin cycle, a message comes up warning you that you will LOSE any and all established Burglars ("Wilds") if you move off the 10-spin cycle before completing the entire cycle"

That is the case now that this glitch has been fixed.

Are you stating that at the time that you played this game (prior to the fix) that you could not change your bet within the 10 spin cycle because you would lose all established wilds? (Yes / No)

If you say "Yes" then that is interesting because rickron says something else.

Rickron says you could change it and he admits to doing it (in this quote below). Rather than denying he did it, rickron admits to it but argues that it was ok to do it. Are you sure you don't want to change your mind about your answer?

"They stated that this is a technical issue and flaw in their 10 spin cycle structure. A flaw is different from a software malfunction whereas a flaw is a “imperfection or weakness and especially one that detracts from the whole or hinders effectiveness” and a malfunction is , “a failure to operate or function in the normal or correct manner : the action or an instance of malfunctioning”. This feature that allows players to adjust their bet amount was integrated into the gameplay from the very beginning of its release date in 2019. So how could this be a software malfunction when the game has always operated and functioned this way? This again proves what Mybookie is claiming is completely false and made up."

[WireWire]

.....................

[WireWire]

No chance you deposited 5k and ran it up to 300k playing only slots, sorry guy, I'm all for the player but you obv found a glitch and i cant say i blame you for taking advantage of it, but they did pay you 84K so your more than ahead, And you're not dumb so you mix it up and lose at other slots like a smart person would to hide the fact. So you didn't hit no jackpots you just straight grinded 2 slots to almost 300k? Glad you were able to swing back and check on posts since its the weekend you no only 200k up in the air. Its obvious you're ahead and at this point you are hoping for a hail mary with no expectation on ever getting it cause you no what really happen.

No hate coming from my end if you can stick it to the online casinos do it, cause they dam sure do it to us. But i think we no how this is going to end.

Did i hit the nail on the head thus the reason for no reply?

[Optional]

A QUICK SHOUTOUT TO "OPTIONAL"

As a side note here. I just want to state to "Optional" that I did not mean to offend you or cause any problems. I really appreciate what you have done so far and what you do for this board and for SBR overall. I am sorry if I offended you or caused any problems. It was not and has never been my intention at all.

This is a very frustrating and unfair situation that is very, very stressful and completely unwarranted and unsubstantiated.

I could use your help Optional. I'm sure Spencerho and Rickron can too.

I hope you will give another chance.

Thank you Optional.

RAIDER1223

I would like to be able to do more for you.

But think you guys will probably need proper legal representation if you hope to get any different answers than you are already getting from them.

I'd look for a firm in Malta and get advice on the viability of action against Betsoft. If they don't think it is their responsibility they can choose to force MyBookie to join the action.

[RAIDER1223]

Did i hit the nail on the head thus the reason for no reply?

Hello WireWire:

1. I only have an MYB Casino account. I do not have a sports betting account with MYB or any MYB affiliated company. Play was only slots.
2. As stated several times, I played 7-10 slots over a 10-month period. Both Betsoft and Nucleus slots.
3. I will continue to work on trying to get the remaining balance back.

[RAIDER1223]

I would like to be able to do more for you.

But think you guys will probably need proper legal representation if you hope to get any different answers than you are already getting from them.

I'd look for a firm in Malta and get advice on the viability of action against Betsoft. If they don't think it is their responsibility they can choose to force MyBookie to join the action.

Great advice Optional. Thank you Sir. I hope to be able to provide an update on the latest before the day is over. This could help in any additional advice you could provide. We will continue to work together in hopes of a positive resolution. Thank you again, Sir.

[pologq]

spencer, when you played your slot games were you able to change the bet size at any point during the bonus spins like rickron?

[lonnie55]

We are spinning in circles. For obvious reasons, OP will not tell us that he deliberately took advantage of a flaw, otherwise he would weaken his own position and make himself vulnerable to MYB. On the other hand, we cannot prove that he deliberately took advantage of a flaw, although it's unquestionable that it was a flaw, especially given the fact that we currently have at least 7 or 8 people who have posted on various platforms that they have won 5- to 6-figures with those two "Take the ..." games at MYB or Xbet, which of course is no coincidence.

As milwaukee mike and others said before, there is just no way that OP and his 7 "buddies" legitimately "shoved off 2 million bucks into a slot with a -4% ev, and instead of losing 80,000 [they] miraculously won 300,000", each one of them.

i think your odds of doing that with random betting (instead of using the advantage that many other people knew about and exploited) are lower than the odds of you being eaten by a poodle

multiplied by 8

[RAIDER1223]

We are spinning in circles. For obvious reasons, OP will not tell us that he deliberately took advantage of a flaw, otherwise he would weaken his own position and make himself vulnerable to MYB. On the other hand, we cannot prove that he deliberately took advantage of a flaw, although it's unquestionable that it was a flaw, especially given the fact that we currently have at least 7 or 8 people who have posted on various platforms that they have won 5- to 6-figures with those two "Take the ..." games at MYB or Xbet, which of course is no coincidence.

As milwaukee mike and others said before, there is just no way that OP and his 7 "buddies" legitimately "shoved off 2 million bucks into a slot with a -4% ev, and instead of losing 80,000 [they] miraculously won 300,000", each one of them.



multiplied by 8

Once again, you have made assumptions about the game and about deliberately knowing of an "exploit". I have stated time and time again that I was not aware, knew, or used any method in which to gain some sort of an advantage. I'm not sure how many times I have to state this. You have concluded something or a theory as being fact without evidence.

I am not going to admit to something that is not true not just to please your attempt to rationalize a theory that could potentially make sense in theory only.

To be clear once again:

I DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GAME
I WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY "EXPLOIT", "GLITCH", OR OTHER TYPE OF "VULNERABILITY".
I PLAYED THE GAME AS PRESENTED, UNDER THE GIVEN RULES, AND PLAYED THE GAME LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER SLOT GAMES (7-10 OF THEM).
I DO NOT KNOW THESE OTHER PEOPLE WHOM PLAYED THESE GAMES
I DO NOT HAVE A SPORTS BETTING ACCOUNT WITH MYB
I DID NOT PLAY "LIVE CASINO" WITH MYB
I ONLY PLAYED SLOTS WITH MYB (BETSOFT AND NUCLEUS)

(I'm sure you are going to ask me these same questions in the next day or two.)

The answers will be the same.

[lonnie55]

Spencer,

Also, I have an update to share. Please reach me privately and I will provide you with the information. Thanks.

Why don't you share it with us?

[pologq]

just to confirm the question OP

were you able to change the size of your bet at any point when playing the bonus game/round? could it be you were and did not know that was not how the game was supposed to work?

[milwaukee mike]

raider, what was the 1st game you played after making a deposit?
how would you know it now gives an error message when changing bet sizes if you weren’t changing bet sizes? out of the 200,000 or so spins on the games in question (take the bank), how many times did you keep your bet size the same through 10 cycles, and how many times did you increase it?

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Then click on their name under one of their posts and you will see the option.

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[RAIDER1223]

just to confirm the question OP

were you able to change the size of your bet at any point when playing the bonus game/round? could it be you were and did not know that was not how the game was supposed to work?

Great question. No. There is no way to change a bet during the bonus round. When you land the three "Bonus" icons, it will bring you to another screen and show you whether you have 15 AUTOMATICALLY RUNNING spins of either 5,7,10 established "Wild" icons that randomly "shift" after each auto-spin is over until the full 15-spins have finished.

To give even more context here:

If I had to guess, the 5 wilds option hit 70% of the time, the 7 wilds option hit 25% of the time, and the 10 wild option hit 5% of the time, whenever the 3 bonuses landed. If I had to guess how often the 3 bonuses landed, it was very random. Not too often actually. Seemed very normal in regards to that.....maybe once in 30-50 spins perhaps.

Again to be clear, there is no way to change a bet during the Bonus round of 15 auto-spins. Bet options are not available in the Bonus round. The amount won during the Bonus was based upon the bet amount made on the spin when the 3 bonus icons landed and triggered the bonus round. The Bonus round came up entirely at random, regardless of the bet size.

Not out of the ordinary there either. Very standard and seemed completely normal.

[Ewan101]

Great question. No. There is no way to change a bet during the bonus round. When you land the three "Bonus" icons, it will bring you to another screen and show you whether you have 15 AUTOMATICALLY RUNNING spins of either 5,7,10 established "Wild" icons that randomly "shift" after each auto-spin is over until the full 15-spins have finished.

To give even more context here:

If I had to guess, the 5 wilds option hit 70% of the time, the 7 wilds option hit 25% of the time, and the 10 wild option hit 5% of the time, whenever the 3 bonuses landed. If I had to guess how often the 3 bonuses landed, it was very random. Not too often actually. Seemed very normal in regards to that.....maybe once in 30-50 spins perhaps.

Again to be clear, there is no way to change a bet during the Bonus round of 15 auto-spins. Bet options are not available in the Bonus round. The amount won during the Bonus was based upon the bet amount made on the spin when the 3 bonus icons landed and triggered the bonus round. The Bonus round came up entirely at random, regardless of the bet size.

Not out of the ordinary there either. Very standard and seemed completely normal.

He didn't ask you what may currently be the case (with the glitch fixed).

He asked you: During your play when you accrued the 300k - did you at ANY time adjust your stake when playing ANY bonus game/round?

This question can be answered Yes or No. Answer Yes or No.

And be aware that rickron and jp5148 say there was a way.

Rickron admits doing it in his quote and jp5148 explains in detail how the adjustment was made.

[RAIDER1223]

raider, what was the 1st game you played after making a deposit?
how would you know it now gives an error message when changing bet sizes if you weren’t changing bet sizes? out of the 200,000 or so spins on the games in question (take the bank), how many times did you keep your bet size the same through 10 cycles, and how many times did you increase it?

I recall playing three games during the first deposit. Take The Bank was one of them.

The game never gave an error message when changing the bet size. It gave a warning window to let the player know that if the bet size was changed during the 10-spin cycle, then all established Wilds would be lost. The message was not an error. It was part of the game and supposed to be there. Not an error.

Your last question is not easy to answer. I'm not trying to dodge it whatsoever. I played so many thousands of hands that I changed bets at times and other times played the same bet. Unless MYB were to provide me with that data (how many spins I made on that game over 10-months and what my bet sizes were) (which I've asked then numerous times to provide and they have ignored me), I cannot provide an accurate figure for that.

Providing more context here:

Did I change bets sizes at times before the bet 10-spin bet cycle was over? Sure. Both up and down.
Did I keep bet sizes through the full 10-cycles? Sure all the time.

Just like any slot machine. Any player would change bet sizes when they get a "feel" or are losing, or are winning. All normal.

No one keeps the same bet size during their whole playing session.

The game provided different bet sizes. It was a normal part of the game, and having that option to change a bet size was also a normal part of the game. But, the Player understood the risk in doing so. It was part of the game.

Several Betsoft and Nucleus games have those same parameters.

[RAIDER1223]

He didn't ask you what may currently be the case (with the glitch fixed).

He asked you: During your play when you accrued the 300k - did you at any time adjust your stake when playing any bonus game/round?

This question can be answered Yes or No. Answer Yes or No.

And be aware that rickron and jp5148 say there was a way.

Rickron admits doing it in his quote and jp5148 explains in detail how the adjustment was made.

Again. NO. I answered that question. Since you cannot change a bet size during the bonus game, then by logic the answer is automatically "no". So, the answer is "no".

Rickron and jp5148 can speak for themselves and may have misunderstood when they answered themselves, but let me be clear here folks:

THERE WAS NO WAY TO CHANGE A BET AMOUNT WHEN THE BONUS GAME TRIGGERED.

THE BONUS GAME PAID BASED UPON WHAT THE LAST BET AMOUNT WAS WHEN THE 3 BONUS ICONS TRIGGERED THE GAME.

THE BONUS GAME WENT FOR 15 SPINS THAT AUTOMATICALLY SPUN UNTIL THOSE 15 SPINS FINISHED.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE IF A BET AMOUNT WAS MADE AT $3 AND THE BONUS SPINS TRIGGERED, ALL 15 BONUS SPINS WOULD PAY OUT ON $3 DEPENDING ON THE WILDS THE GAME SELECTED FOR THE BONUS SPIN (I.E. 5,7,10)

THERE WAS NO WAY TO CHANGE THE BET SIZE DURING TO BONUS ROUND.

Rickron and jp5148 are incorrect.

[RAIDER1223]

Why don't you share it with us?

Coming lonnie55. Trying to answer all of these questions first.

Will provide tonight. Just need some time to focus on that. Hang tight.

[Ewan101]

Again. NO. I answered that question. Since you cannot change a bet size during the bonus game, then by logic the answer is automatically "no". So, the answer is "no".

Rickron and jp5148 can speak for themselves and may have misunderstood when they answered themselves, but let me be clear here folks:

THERE WAS NO WAY TO CHANGE A BET AMOUNT WHEN THE BONUS GAME TRIGGERED.

THE BONUS GAME PAID BASED UPON WHAT THE LAST BET AMOUNT WAS WHEN THE 3 BONUS ICONS TRIGGERED THE GAME.

THE BONUS GAME WENT FOR 15 SPINS THAT AUTOMATICALLY SPUN UNTIL THOSE 15 SPINS FINISHED.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE IF A BET AMOUNT WAS MADE AT $3 AND THE BONUS SPINS TRIGGERED, ALL 15 BONUS SPINS WOULD PAY OUT ON $3 DEPENDING ON THE WILDS THE GAME SELECTED FOR THE BONUS SPIN (I.E. 5,7,10)

THERE WAS NO WAY TO CHANGE THE BET SIZE DURING TO BONUS ROUND.

Rickron and jp5148 are incorrect.

jp5418

"Lonnie55, the video doesn’t show what they were doing. The bet adjustment doesn’t happen in free spins. On these game every 10 spins the bombs accumulated during the spins turns to wild on 10th spin. So the 10th spin on every game is typically a larger payout. So the glitch allowed them to spin 9 times on the lowest bet amount, then on the 10th spin change bet to higher amount. So all the bombs on 10th spin turn to wild and it’s a big payout. Now that the glitch is fixed every bet change resets bombs accumulated. It’s hope this explanation is not too confusing."

Do you deny the existence of this 10 spin cycle? (Yes/No)

[Try to limit your answer to what is being asked - no irrelevant bs - do you or do you not concede that the 10 spin cycle exists - YES / NO]

[jp5148]

I never said you can change bet in “bonus round” or free spins. I said bets were changed during 10 spin cycles. I also said in the post immediately following I was not accusing you specifically of doing this. I was clarifying to Lonnie a glitch someone somewhere else posted about.

[RAIDER1223]

jp5418

"Lonnie55, the video doesn’t show what they were doing. The bet adjustment doesn’t happen in free spins. On these game every 10 spins the bombs accumulated during the spins turns to wild on 10th spin. So the 10th spin on every game is typically a larger payout. So the glitch allowed them to spin 9 times on the lowest bet amount, then on the 10th spin change bet to higher amount. So all the bombs on 10th spin turn to wild and it’s a big payout. Now that the glitch is fixed every bet change resets bombs accumulated. It’s hope this explanation is not too confusing."

Do you deny the existence of this 10 spin cycle? (Yes/No)

[Try to limit your answer to what is being asked - no irrelevant bs - do you or do you not concede that the 10 spin cycle exists - YES / NO]

First. You're being a jerk.
Second. As described above, DENIED. This did not exist the way it is described.
Third. Please stop acting like a lawyer. I am not on trial.

[RAIDER1223]

I never said you can change bet in “bonus round” or free spins. I said bets were changed during 10 spin cycles. I also said in the post immediately following I was not accusing you specifically of doing this. I was clarifying to Lonnie a glitch someone somewhere else posted about.

Yes. See? That supports what I have been stating, and that others are not understanding you and not reading the posts carefully.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Ewan101]

Yes. See? That supports what I have been stating, and that others are not understanding you and not reading the posts carefully.

Thanks for clarifying.

That post does not support what you have been stating in any way.

That post just says that your bs posts about bonus games was another attempt by you to confuse the issue.

The post says that you used the exploit in the 10 spin cycle just like rickron and the others did.

[RAIDER1223]

"Regarding your other question that you point to Lonnie55 / jp5148, the answer is "NO". Besides, the game doesn't play that way and cannot play that way. Why? Because if you change your bet AT ANY TIME WITHIN the 10-spin cycle, a message comes up warning you that you will LOSE any and all established Burglars ("Wilds") if you move off the 10-spin cycle before completing the entire cycle"

That is the case now that this glitch has been fixed.

Are you stating that at the time that you played this game (prior to the fix) that you could not change your bet within the 10 spin cycle because you would lose all established wilds? (Yes / No)

If you say "Yes" then that is interesting because rickron says something else.

Rickron says you could change it and he admits to doing it (in this quote below). Rather than denying he did it, rickron admits to it but argues that it was ok to do it. Are you sure you don't want to change your mind about your answer?

"They stated that this is a technical issue and flaw in their 10 spin cycle structure. A flaw is different from a software malfunction whereas a flaw is a “imperfection or weakness and especially one that detracts from the whole or hinders effectiveness” and a malfunction is , “a failure to operate or function in the normal or correct manner : the action or an instance of malfunctioning”. This feature that allows players to adjust their bet amount was integrated into the gameplay from the very beginning of its release date in 2019. So how could this be a software malfunction when the game has always operated and functioned this way? This again proves what Mybookie is claiming is completely false and made up."

That is the case now that this glitch has been fixed. (WRONG. This was the case before the account was disabled and money seized. Has the glitch been fixed? What was fixed exactly?)

Are you stating that at the time that you played this game (prior to the fix) that you could not change your bet within the 10 spin cycle because you would lose all established wilds? (Yes / No) [NO, during regular 10-spin cycle (you can change your bet but would lose all established wilds) / YES, during the bonus 15-spin cycle (you cannot change a bet during the bonus game cycle)]

Rickron says you could change it and he admits to doing it (in this quote below). Rather than denying he did it, rickron admits to it but argues that it was ok to do it. Are you sure you don't want to change your mind about your answer? (NO, I do not want to change my answer and disagree with what you claim Rickron has stated. You have misinterpreted and do not understand what Rickron is stating. You are confused)

[RAIDER1223]

That post does not support what you have been stating in any way.

That post just says that your bs posts about bonus games was another attempt by you to confuse the issue.

The post says that you used the exploit in the 10 spin cycle just like rickron and the others did.

(You are confused and do not understand the game and what the post state)

(I did not use any exploit in the game as I already stated that I was not aware of an exploit even existing)

(No where in any post have I admitted in using an exploit in the game)

(You have misinterpreted what Rickron has stated. If you want to believe that Rickron used an exploit of some sort in his individual play, then fine. If you want to believe that I used an exploit of some sort in my play, then fine. For the final time that I will state to you, I did not used an exploit in the game at any time for any advantage, since there was no knowledge of any exploit in the game from even existing. Betsoft and/or MYB have not stated what the problem with the game even was.)

(Finally, I'm done having a debate with you. I've made my statements and your attempt to manipulate my answers have failed. You can believe what you want and whom you want. That is your choice, but this debate you want between "lawyer" and "defendant" is over. The purpose of this post is to warn others and to have SBR aid in getting our balances back. This other stuff is outside of the premise of the post and thus will not be continued to be discussed. I have made my statements about this topic multiple times. I stand by my statements, and will not comment on this specific topic any further.

You clearly do not understand the slot game "Take The Bank", and most likely have never played the game. It's obvious by the irrational statements that you have made about how the game works and what you believe an alleged exploit as having been prove your ignorance about the "Take The Bank" game itself and the inability to comprehend the meaning of stated posts by Rickron, Spencerho, and myself.

You're just another bum from the EU, trying to piss people off with your online version of Perry Mason.

[Spencerho]

Yes, we've tried multiple ways to get in contact without any luck; we just want our situation resolved and we definitely have the evidence to warrant a case.

A QUICK SHOUTOUT TO "OPTIONAL"

As a side note here. I just want to state to "Optional" that I did not mean to offend you or cause any problems. I really appreciate what you have done so far and what you do for this board and for SBR overall. I am sorry if I offended you or caused any problems. It was not and has never been my intention at all.

This is a very frustrating and unfair situation that is very, very stressful and completely unwarranted and unsubstantiated.

I could use your help Optional. I'm sure Spencerho and Rickron can too.

I hope you will give another chance.

Thank you Optional.

RAIDER1223

[Spencerho]

Exactly, there was no glitch at all, simply put, the game clearly allowed every player to change their bet at anytime during the spin cycle; everytime the bet size was switched, the spin cycle automatically reset back to 10.

The settings change they have now implemented after banning our accounts basically fixes the spin cycle amount to the specific bet size.

Say I bet 2 dollars, I get ten spins. Before, I could get to the 7th spin for example, and if I did not like the bomb structure provided, I was allowed to switch my bet to say 5 dollars and I would get a refreshed 10 spins. Then, say I wanted to switch back to 2 dollar bets, I would also get a refreshed 10 spins.

The settings changed implemented now basically fixes the spin cycle amount, so say I got to the 7th spin on my 2 dollar bet cycle, and I switched out to the 5 dollar bet cycle, and switched back to 2 dollars... the 2 dollar bet cycle will still be locked at the 7th spin.

This is literally the only thing they have changed, and they only changed it AFTER banning our accounts. How in anyway did we take advantage of a glitch when this game has been available to players on their site for years with the same reset setting? Literally ANY player who played this game had the exact same odds and advantages, yet MyBookie now out of nowhere decides this setting is a glitch and blames players who have won saying that we took advantage of it.

Please, if that were the case, every single account that had any association with that game should be put in question, yet the only accounts I have heard being affected are those that have actually won some money playing the game itself.

Here is the demo link to the game... it now has the new implemented settings so you can have a visualization of how to play and what is going on. Focus on the spin cycle, the only difference from before and now is the fact that the spin cycle is now fixed even after a bet switch. This was implemented RIGHT AFTER they banned our accounts. This is not a glitch, this is a deliberate attempt by MyBookie to wrongly accuse players of cheating when in reality we did nothing wrong but play the game the way it was provided to us.

https://betsoft.com/new_games/take-the-bank/

That is the case now that this glitch has been fixed. (WRONG. This was the case before the account was disabled and money seized. Has the glitch been fixed? What was fixed exactly?)

Are you stating that at the time that you played this game (prior to the fix) that you could not change your bet within the 10 spin cycle because you would lose all established wilds? (Yes / No) [NO, during regular 10-spin cycle (you can change your bet but would lose all established wilds) / YES, during the bonus 15-spin cycle (you cannot change a bet during the bonus game cycle)]

Rickron says you could change it and he admits to doing it (in this quote below). Rather than denying he did it, rickron admits to it but argues that it was ok to do it. Are you sure you don't want to change your mind about your answer? (NO, I do not want to change my answer and disagree with what you claim Rickron has stated. You have misinterpreted and do not understand what Rickron is stating. You are confused)

[Spencerho]

Since every new spin cycle was a clean template, there was no way we as players would know whether or not we would get a good outcome.


I would only switch my bets when I saw that an outcome was unfavorable to me; so say for example, I was betting 10 dollars and the first 2 or 3 spins of the cycle no bombs came out, I would switch my bet to another bet size to refresh the entire template and start again.


I did this only for risk management purposes. Why would I, as a player trying to win money, continue a spin cycle that has a low probability of a winning outcome? If I play through that entire spin cycle, the probability of me accumulating the necessary amount of bombs would be very low, since now I would only have 7 spins to accumulate bombs and it wouldn't make any sense for a player to continue bleeding out throughout the entire cycle when we could change our bet and start from scratch.


This is why I know Betsoft created this functionality initially, to allow players who were perceptive enough to foresee an unfavorable outcome to manage their risk accordingly.


MyBookie eventually saw that players were getting smart about managing risk and purposefully made Betsoft change this setting so that players would have to play through the entire cycle so that they had no chance of avoiding an unfavorable outcome.


To make matters worse, now they have the audacity to blame players of taking advantage of a 'glitch' when the only real glitch was the fact that players found a way to NOT LOSE THEIR MONEY UNNECESSARILY.


The only thing that we are guilty of is being smart and perceptive, and MyBookie realizes this and won't admit it and this is why I am super frustrated because I know exactly what is going on and no one is doing anything about it. People need to realize that this platform purposefully is trying to create a system where the player has literally no way of managing risk so that they will eventually lose all their winnings.


Why do you think their withdrawal limit is 2k per week? Sorry for the rant, not trying to make baseless accusations, but I want new players to understand what is going on before signing up with them because after seeing what they are doing now to me, their devious intentions are obvious and something needs to be done about it.


Sorry, I'd like to think that I am a pretty smart and perceptive individual, and it really rubs me the wrong way how they are treating me like I have no clue in regards to what they are actually doing and that they can walk all over players without any repercussions.

[SportsBettor74]

Since every new spin cycle was a clean template, there was no way we as players would know whether or not we would get a good outcome.


I would only switch my bets when I saw that an outcome was unfavorable to me; so say for example, I was betting 10 dollars and the first 2 or 3 spins of the cycle no bombs came out, I would switch my bet to another bet size to refresh the entire template and start again.


I did this only for risk management purposes. Why would I, as a player trying to win money, continue a spin cycle that has a low probability of a winning outcome? If I play through that entire spin cycle, the probability of me accumulating the necessary amount of bombs would be very low, since now I would only have 7 spins to accumulate bombs and it wouldn't make any sense for a player to continue bleeding out throughout the entire cycle when we could change our bet and start from scratch.


This is why I know Betsoft created this functionality initially, to allow players who were perceptive enough to foresee an unfavorable outcome to manage their risk accordingly.


MyBookie eventually saw that players were getting smart about managing risk and purposefully made Betsoft change this setting so that players would have to play through the entire cycle so that they had no chance of avoiding an unfavorable outcome.


To make matters worse, now they have the audacity to blame players of taking advantage of a 'glitch' when the only real glitch was the fact that players found a way to NOT LOSE THEIR MONEY UNNECESSARILY.


The only thing that we are guilty of is being smart and perceptive, and MyBookie realizes this and won't admit it and this is why I am super frustrated because I know exactly what is going on and no one is doing anything about it. People need to realize that this platform purposefully is trying to create a system where the player has literally no way of managing risk so that they will eventually lose all their winnings.


Why do you think their withdrawal limit is 2k per week? Sorry for the rant, not trying to make baseless accusations, but I want new players to understand what is going on before signing up with them because after seeing what they are doing now to me, their devious intentions are obvious and something needs to be done about it.


Sorry, I'd like to think that I am a pretty smart and perceptive individual, and it really rubs me the wrong way how they are treating me like I have no clue in regards to what they are actually doing and that they can walk all over players without any repercussions.

Thank you Spencerho for your posts. You (unlike the OP) have tried to explain how the process worked in a calm and orderly way.

I have some questions:

[1] "say for example, I was betting 10 dollars and the first 2 or 3 spins of the cycle no bombs came out, I would switch my bet to another bet size to refresh the entire template and start again."

In this scenario - what would happen to your original $10 stake? Would the stake be lost? Would the stake be refunded to the player? Or if you took 3 spins of the cycle and you "switched and refreshed", would 3/10 x $10 = $3 be taken from you? Or something else?


[2] "the game clearly allowed every player to change their bet at anytime during the spin cycle; everytime the bet size was switched, the spin cycle automatically reset back to 10"

The OP has been asked at least 20 times in this thread by multiple posters whether he was able to switch his bet size. Each time the OP has answered "No". In your opinion - why would the OP make such statements when clearly you are saying that the bet size could be switched?


[3] Please comment on the following quote from another poster:

"So the glitch allowed them to spin 9 times on the lowest bet amount, then on the 10th spin change bet to higher amount. So all the bombs on 10th spin turn to wild and it’s a big payout. Now that the glitch is fixed every bet change resets bombs accumulated."

[Spencerho]

Hey SportsBettor,

No worries, I can see throughout this thread its littered with bad communication which resulted in misinterpretation and unnecessary disagreements; I just want to clear things up as best as I can because ultimately my goal, other than recovering my account, is to inform readers about my issue so that they won't eventually end up in an unfortunate situation like I am going through.

In regards to your question, say I went through 3 spins under the 10 dollar bet cycle, I would lose $30 dollars. I would receive no refund.

I just want to make it clear that I believe the general misconception is that as players we were able to add more to our bets whenever we saw that we had a favorable outcome, but the reality is that whenever we reset our bet cycles, first, we would lose the amounts we already had bet, and secondly, the template would be completely refreshed. Yes, we would get 10 new spins, but the bombs would also reset as well.

Its funny, because now when you play the game after the settings change, it actually saves the entire structure, bombs included, along with the number of spins so players essentially have to play through all ten spins, even though the outcome could be seen as unfavorable.

Ex/ So say I was betting 2 dollars, spun twice; switched to 5 dollars, spun 3 times, then switched back to 2 dollars; instead of the two dollar bet cycle resetting completely (blank template & spin count), I would still be stuck on 8 spins with the same template I originally had left.

And if I switched back to the 5 dollar bet cycle, I would still have 7 spins and the same saved template I left for that cycle.

Here is the demo link to the game with the new setting, play around with it if my example confuses you so you can understand exactly what I am talking about.

https://betsoft.com/new_games/take-the-bank/

As you can see, they deliberately changed this so that players would have to play through unfavorable scenarios, therefore, decreasing their chances of winning.

Per original settings, every time we switched bets, the structures would reset completely. We would get 10 new spins with a fresh template, there was no way we could take advantage of a bomb structure from the previous template.

We could choose any bet cycle from .20 cents all the way to 20 dollars, but at no point were we allowed to stack bets as bombs were being accumulated, everything was limited within the bet cycle chosen. Every time we switched our bets, it would refresh completely, no bombs were left from the previous bet cycle.

I wish I could pull up some footage to show you guys the original settings, but this is the best I can do so far.

Thank you Spencerho for your posts. You (unlike the OP) have tried to explain how the process worked in a calm and orderly way.

I have some questions:

"say for example, I was betting 10 dollars and the first 2 or 3 spins of the cycle no bombs came out, I would switch my bet to another bet size to refresh the entire template and start again."

In this scenario - what would happen to your original $10 stake? Would the stake be lost? Would the stake be refunded to the player? Or if you took 3 spins of the cycle and you "switched and refreshed", would 3/10 x $10 = $3 be taken from you? Or something else?