[5ympathy]

New poster but been betting e-sports for many years - getting annoyed with being restricted on e-sports so I'm looking into betting other stuff (I found out about RebelBetting recently, but really don't know much about this kind of stuff). I'm looking for tips on prolonging arbing/value betting on soft books without being snuffed out. I know that acting like a 'square' bettor helps but how exactly do I do this? Google hasn't been super helpful.


1. What do books look at most closely? ROI%, Win%, CLV? Can I just randomly bet $1 on live events/slot machines and have it help keep up the facade?

2. What about withdrawing - if I want to withdraw 10k, is it better to do it in smaller portions over a week or not (does it matter?)

3. If there are reasonable ways to 'fake' square action on soft books, why don't more people use arbitrage software/value betting software like RebelBetting? What am I missing? I assume you eventually get limited by all the soft books one can find - but that still seems super +EV. Would love more knowledgeable people's opinions on this.


Thanks all -

[DontTailMe]

I think you've answered your own question. The party doesn't last very long.

Edit: Arbing.

[Barrakuda]

Not sure about the facade. To me, it's not worth the effort, when there is a very real chance that they don't care if you play some random casino games or not.

My theory is that every payout request results in a someone manually looking at your account. So does every CS inquiry. Each manual examination is an opp. to limit you. So I try to keep the payouts reasonably sized and as spaced out as possible. I've been surprised in both directions over the years at who will limit to almost nothing and who will keep you on.

I have heard anecdotally that they look at CLV a lot, but I'm not convinced that's true everywhere. I think a lot shops just eyeball and when in doubt, cut.

[Shifty]

If you are betting e-sports that doesn't help your longevity. You have to bet just as much, preferably more on on major sports sides and totals. Even then, you will get limited if you do a lot of arbing. Here is a good video about account longevity from Capt. Jack Andrews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFGeEXxU8SQ&t=2s

[ace7550]

I've found that betting soft props is a quick way to get limited. If you can keep your bets to the 4 majors it will take a lot longer to get limited.
Every book seems to have a different system for giving you the boot.

[ouzoun]

Here are my 2 pieces of advice.
Do Value Betting and not arbing.
Bet in play and not pre game.

[5ympathy]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I might have to look at betting on the bigger sports then...

[DontTailMe]

Not sure about the facade. To me, it's not worth the effort, when there is a very real chance that they don't care if you play some random casino games or not.

My theory is that every payout request results in a someone manually looking at your account. So does every CS inquiry. Each manual examination is an opp. to limit you. So I try to keep the payouts reasonably sized and as spaced out as possible. I've been surprised in both directions over the years at who will limit to almost nothing and who will keep you on.

I have heard anecdotally that they look at CLV a lot, but I'm not convinced that's true everywhere. I think a lot shops just eyeball and when in doubt, cut.

I think it's much more than a theory. Adverse actions taken against sportsbook accounts typically occur after interactions - especially payouts - in my experience. Limiting the frequency of your withdrawals definitely helps. Although there's only so much you can do with that because if your account balance gets too high, they're going to take notice of you anyways.

Try not to give anyone a reason to look at your account. Basically, try to be as invisible as possible.

[PharaohUB]

Try fairlay. Never heard of them limiting anyone. They have e sports.

[Judge Crater]

Don't bet mistake lines, ever.

[cristianbet]

put the profit from surebets at the book which you already have a high balance, if it gets too high at least you made some profit

[punintended]

I wonder which account would last longer.

Account A: Bets on small soccer leagues minutes before kickoff with no CLV.

Account B: Bets on major soccer league opening lines with +CLV.

I'd guess account A. Then again some guy betting exclusively Maltese and Fijian soccer might look suspicious as well. Or maybe they'll just think he's a dumb rec on a heater lol, idk.