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    SBR A+ Rated Sportsbooks banning players

    Iíve been banned from TWO SBR A+ rated Sportsbooks. I donít think I did anything funny or suspicious. I would bet tons on a ping pong game or something, but it was within their rules. I did win a lot in one week at one of them, and may withdraw more than the regular person. One book banned me and requested a lot of financials from me. I sent them all to them and they still wonít reopen the account. They want see my winnings from other sites which I refused.

    How are these books rated A+ when they ban you for winning?

    Any books donít ban winning players?

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    Who?
    Youwager and?

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    Not YouWager. They are big time books. I learned a few days that both of them do ban if you win big. Yet this site rates them as A+, top of the line book that can do NO wrong.

    So either

    1) this site is lying and just wants money
    2) I’m the sucker for believing this site

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    Name the sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimike View Post
    Who?
    Youwager and?
    Youwager isn't rated A+

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    Why are you so hesitant on naming the books when you're already banned?

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    Bet 365
    William Hill


    Both rated A+ as long as you don’t win consistently or withdraw consistently.
    Last edited by Sportfan99; 02-07-21 at 08:00 PM.

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    Those two books limited me years ago. Not surprised to hear it at all. There's a reason Bet365 is known as Bet $3.65.

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    $10 limits are what these books are famous for. But you are going to get paid so A+.

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    Any sites rated A+ that don’t ban? I hear good things about Heritage, BetCris, Bookmaker and Betonline.

    But then I hear bad things about them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Any sites rated A+ that don’t ban? I hear good things about Heritage, BetCris, Bookmaker and Betonline.

    But then I hear bad things about them too.
    Bookmaker may limit but dont think Ive heard them ban if they are winning big. Heritage will limit fairly quickly but they never had crazy high limits for me anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Bet 365
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    Both rated A+ as long as you don’t win consistently or withdraw consistently.
    Will Hill banned me recently. Thankfully I still have a working Bet365 account.

    I'm not sure what the criteria is to be rated A+, but it seems reasonable that books that limit or outright ban should not qualify for the highest rating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Any sites rated A+ that don’t ban? I hear good things about Heritage, BetCris, Bookmaker and Betonline.

    But then I hear bad things about them too.
    Heritage, bookmaker, betonline all excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Bet 365
    William Hill


    Both rated A+ as long as you donít win consistently or withdraw consistently.
    Their US sites are the same way. Their business model is to ban winners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    Their US sites are the same way. Their business model is to ban winners.
    Then how are they rated A+? This site has to WARN people that they are A+ and BAN WINNERS. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    Unless we are all suckers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Then how are they rated A+? This site has to WARN people that they are A+ and BAN WINNERS. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
    All books do it. Pinnacle probably the only ones where's it almost never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeeeHAWWWW View Post
    All books do it. Pinnacle probably the only ones where's it almost never.
    Key word almost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger T. Bannon View Post
    $10 limits are what these books are famous for. But you are going to get paid so A+.
    Fair enough. Books can ban all they want.

    But THIS site has to WARN players. THIS site should say in its reviews “You will get paid so A+, but if you win consistently, they may BAN you.”

    The book obviously won’t say it on their website, but THIS site should do it. If it doesn’t it’s as big of joke as the books who ban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    But THIS site has to WARN players. THIS site should say in its reviews “You will get paid so A+, but if you win consistently, they may BAN you.”
    Why? It's not unusual, it's the norm. Sportsbooks find it easier to ban winners than make accurate lines - it's been this way for more than a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Iíve been banned from TWO SBR A+ rated Sportsbooks. I donít think I did anything funny or suspicious. I would bet tons on a ping pong game or something, but it was within their rules. I did win a lot in one week at one of them, and may withdraw more than the regular person. One book banned me and requested a lot of financials from me. I sent them all to them and they still wonít reopen the account. They want see my winnings from other sites which I refused.

    How are these books rated A+ when they ban you for winning?

    Any books donít ban winning players?
    You don't THINK you did anything funny or suspicious? "It was within their rules".

    Sounds like theres more to the story. Especially considering theres zero details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Fair enough. Books can ban all they want.

    But THIS site has to WARN players. THIS site should say in its reviews “You will get paid so A+, but if you win consistently, they may BAN you.”

    The book obviously won’t say it on their website, but THIS site should do it. If it doesn’t it’s as big of joke as the books who ban.
    Stop bashing SBR. SBR isn't perfect but they do a great job of getting info out there about sports books. I've learned a lot here.
    If you think SBR is a joke for not stating something that every professional gambler already knows then go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Any sites rated A+ that don’t ban? I hear good things about Heritage, BetCris, Bookmaker and Betonline.
    Something's off. This guy is asking about A+ sites that don't ban but if you look at his previous posts he bets at Pinnacle and Bookmaker but now he's saying that he's "heard good things about Bookmaker" as if he's never used the site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedApples View Post
    You don't THINK you did anything funny or suspicious? "It was within their rules".

    Sounds like theres more to the story. Especially considering theres zero details.
    Let me rephrase: I did withdraw often and bet a lot on games. There was no arbing or double accounts or disputes on games. I even talked to them asking them “are you guys ok with the withdrawals?” They said yes.

    Sportsbooks can whatever they want, it’s their money. All I’m asking for is maybe a warning: “Hey, don’t bet this much we don’t like it” or “Just withdraw once a week.”

    But to allow the person to bet high and then ban them for doing it, well OK, whatever.

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    To summarize:

    -Guy bets unsuccessfully at Pinnacle and Bookmaker in the past but for some reason pretends in this thread that he isn't familiar with Bookmaker
    -Guy starts hammering the softest, small markets(ping pong) at soft books
    -Guy is upset that he can't keep hammering the most inefficient markets at soft books

    Nothing to see here
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeRun35 View Post
    To summarize:

    -Guy bets unsuccessfully at Pinnacle and Bookmaker in the past but for some reason pretends in this thread that he isn't familiar with Bookmaker
    -Guy starts hammering the softest, small markets(ping pong) at soft books
    -Guy is upset that he can't keep hammering the most inefficient markets at soft books

    Nothing to see here
    Guy didn’t deny Bookmkaer
    Guy didn’t hammer small markets
    Guy is not upset

    Guy is just asking for is Sportsbookreview.com add one line to their reviews:

    ‘You will get paid so A+, but if you win consistently, they may BAN you.”

    If not, Sportsbook review and sites are in on the scam.

    It’s like car review rates BMW and Mercedes A+. Buy too many BMWs and Mercedes you get banned from the dealership.

    Guy is probably a sucker. Has to open his eyes.
    Last edited by Sportfan99; 02-09-21 at 03:11 PM.

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    If I own a company and I don't want to do to business with you anymore it doesn't make my company a scam.
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    How is it a scam if they ban you... Move along to the next book or change what you bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace7550 View Post
    If I own a company and I don't want to do to business with you anymore it doesn't make my company a scam.
    Of course totally agree, business are business. You can choose who your clients are. It is time for you to quit and realize that by winning you will be cast out of all sportsbooks. It is also difficult for me to believe you lines are more and more perfect to beat them
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    It’s not a scam if they ban. Any company or book can ban anyone anytime. Business is business.

    All I suggest is this site, which goes to in-depth reviews about the sports book and rates them, should mention “A++ book, fabulous odds, great interface and quick payouts. No issues getting paid out within minutes. Yet, as with any business, you may be banned from the site if you win too much.”

    Even if it’s known to every professional better, if this site doesn’t say it yet gives a book an A+ rating, logic would dictate this site is getting kickbacks from the book.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Guy didn’t hammer small markets
    ........
    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    I’ve been banned from TWO SBR A+ rated Sportsbooks. I don’t think I did anything funny or suspicious. I would bet tons on a ping pong game or something, but it was within their rules.
    Only big market ping pong

    Guy is just asking for is Sportsbookreview.com add one line to their reviews:
    ‘You will get paid so A+, but if you win consistently, they may BAN you.”
    You're either a pro who was tremendously lazy to not even do a casual search about a site you're signing up for or you're not a pro in which case I see no harm here. If SBR had the ban line, then you wouldn't have signed up and you would've had less money than you do now? Or are you better off that you had signed up and beat them for whatever you did?

    If not, Sportsbook review and sites are in on the scam.
    Let me get this straight. So the "scam" is the sportsbook lets you win and then pay you your money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Even if it’s known to every professional better, if this site doesn’t say it yet gives a book an A+ rating, logic would dictate this site is getting kickbacks from the book.
    I'll give you a serious answer here. It would be very hard to do a fair "ban" scale for sportsbooks because most do to an extent but some are more extreme than others. It would be great if they had something like a ban scale of 1-5, where 1 is Pinnacle(only limiting the top tier pros) and 5 is William Hill(super quick limit for winning at all). And on top of that, there's really no clear answer on many books that might be a 2 or 3. Some sites, like William Hill, will limit you to peanuts purely for winning.

    A site like BetOnline, you can win 6 figures without getting limited. But they will limit you if you consistently steam chase or bet bad/stale lines. Heritage will limit you pretty quickly if you are sharp and beating closing prices, but in personal experience not down to something insulting like $10 on sharpness alone.

    I wish it was clear exactly the circumstances in which all the sites limited bettors but the guessing game is just part of the deal and it can feel like walking on eggshells. I pass up +ROI regularly to play it safe at certain places. On Bet105, I never bet overnight lines as when I was sharply betting overnight lines at Heritage(same owner as Bet105) I got knocked down to $100 quick(in a major market). But they are OK with my bets on the day of games even though that action is very sharp.
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    Good post. I think overall the grades have more to do with safety of your funds than anything else, as it should be.

    I mean would you rather have an A+ book be graded that way where you money is always safe and you get paid.....

    Or you prefer an A+ be assigned to a book based on it never boots you?

    Might keep your money and not pay but you'll never get banned, LOL.

    A+ books come in all shapes and sizes, some cater to recreational players, some take sharper action, some in the middle.....

    But the important thing is you will get paid.

    If you're a pro you know how to negotiate winning and stick around as long as possible depending on which book you're playing at.

    Rating A+ books who have always paid lower because they have a different business model and cater mostly to recreational players would be doing a disservice to everyone.

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    In the sportsbook review section of this site, SBR used to mark books as Professional (take action from pros/sharps) or Recreational (pros/sharps not welcome). Books like William Hill and Bet 3.65 actually belong in a 3rd category since they ban all winners including recreational players. Anyway, would like to see SBR bring back the pro or recreational marking in their reviews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportfan99 View Post
    Let me rephrase: I did withdraw often and bet a lot on games. There was no arbing or double accounts or disputes on games. I even talked to them asking them “are you guys ok with the withdrawals?” They said yes.

    Sportsbooks can whatever they want, it’s their money. All I’m asking for is maybe a warning: “Hey, don’t bet this much we don’t like it” or “Just withdraw once a week.”

    But to allow the person to bet high and then ban them for doing it, well OK, whatever.
    Yeah you care too much about this. You left out betting bad lines. Probably something like this. You don't need to tell me where the edge was, but it's pretty clear there was and you're leaving it out. I guess thats what you mean by "I don't think I did anything funny or suspicious" and "I would bet tons on a ping pong game or something, but it was within their rules".

    You can either let us know the grey line you were toeing or not, but your language has all but given it away. Now the part about not hammering small markets contradicting your ping pong statement.

    If you are just simply degen'ing and got banned for it, sorry. Can't imagine that is the case though based on what you've written. You don't sound honest. Sry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedApples View Post
    Yeah you care too much about this. You left out betting bad lines. Probably something like this. You don't need to tell me where the edge was, but it's pretty clear there was and you're leaving it out. I guess thats what you mean by "I don't think I did anything funny or suspicious" and "I would bet tons on a ping pong game or something, but it was within their rules".

    You can either let us know the grey line you were toeing or not, but your language has all but given it away. Now the part about not hammering small markets contradicting your ping pong statement.

    It wasnít betting large on ping pong. On another A+ site I bet huge on ping pong and they didnít care.

    I honestly think it was withdrawing too much. Since William Hill had no bitcoin or no max withdrawals per week, I would be up a lot and withdraw constantly. The same thing with bet 365.

    When I say ďit was within their rulesĒ I mean I didnít open up another account. One would figure when a bet is accepted on the site, you are following their rules.

    Again they can do whatever they want, I would wish I got a warning because I asked them a few times: ďare you OK with my withdrawals.Ē They said ďno problem.Ē And then banned. If they sent an email saying ďHey, even though we are rated A+, donít withdraw this much, or donít do this, or donít do that.Ē Perfect.

    It is what it is. Iím not totally blameless with the constant withdrawals. Probably stick to bitcoin sites from now on.

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