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    when will PINNACLE allow US betting???

    with all the legalization going on why are they not in the us markets?? is it possible in near future??
    USA books penetrating player like hippos

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    They will not allow it until they get legalized which will probably never happen. If 5Dimes gets in though, anything goes.

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    They would get chewed alive usa like 5 Dimes would

    Men the 2 USA giants control everything , pinnacle like 5 dimes does not have the money even to market right

    Bet365 in NJ ready to close basically zero business

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    LOL. I guess that is why all these multi-billion acquisitions are taking place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    They would get chewed alive usa like 5 Dimes would

    Men the 2 USA giants control everything , pinnacle like 5 dimes does not have the money even to market right

    Bet365 in NJ ready to close basically zero business

    Yeah fine I get it. If they are going to rake ppl then offer incentive program for the avg guy(cash back, bonus, ect ect) really I don't care but run a good model so players feel appreciated

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    they already got out once

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    It's a process. First you get these kind of books and then you get bigger players and then you get a dominate player. These things take years to develop. It is happening amazingly fast.

    If you look back a 1.5 years ago, you would not believe you would be at this point.

    When you look back in 5 years, you will literally be in disbelief by what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    They would get chewed alive usa like 5 Dimes would

    Men the 2 USA giants control everything , pinnacle like 5 dimes does not have the money even to market right

    Bet365 in NJ ready to close basically zero business
    Oh wow


    So what about 5dimes reasoning for leaving USA earlier?

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    5 Dimes had to leave

    They were facing numerous federal charges
    You don’t just pay the federal government all that money for the hell of it

    They bought their freedom which is cool


    They will never be in a US market it’s impossible they could never pass background checks

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    Except for the fact that 5Dimes has an LLC in Delaware and is trying to get into the US.

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    Delaware is one of the poorest states in the United States

    DraftKings and Fandual advertise all over the world every single day and has hundred million customer base worldwide everything included it is impossible to even come close to them

    Offshore Sportsbooks couldn’t afford the daily promotions and odds boost to even compete though they’re small


    It’s not off shore guys with hardly any expenses do US is a different animal

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    All US corporations incorporate in Delaware because it has the least regulations for corporations. When you incorporate in Delaware, you are planning on conducting business as a corporation.

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    Bannon

    They could never get a license because of gaming control boards and links to crime/illegal activities will automatically eliminate them

    When your booking USA residents offshore it’s illegal

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    It may be true but they are definitely going to try.

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    I give them credit for trying and I’m glad they’re cleared It’s gonna be a struggle

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    Nobody knows what 5Dimes knows. If they are trying, they have a chance.

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    Roger Look at Bet365 they thought they were coming to New Jersey and dominate the market they were the most well-known book in the world and they got chewed a live last every single month in volume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger T. Bannon View Post
    Nobody knows what 5Dimes knows. If they are trying, they have a chance.
    where did you hear this delaware llc?

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    Bet365 got beat to the draw. 5Dimes is playing for much bigger stakes than Bet365. If they get in, they will own the state they get in fairly quickly and then they will move into other states because they will be legit. They only need their foot in the door.

    If you were paying attention, you'd see they are preparing for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    where did you hear this delaware llc?
    I would also like to know, but the internet is the land of make believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    where did you hear this delaware llc?
    PHILADELPHIA, Sept. 30, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- 5Dimes, a leading online gaming brand, entered into a settlement agreement with the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania (EDPA) that should make the Company eligible to apply to enter the legal, regulated U.S. gaming industry under a new corporate structure, free and clear of any restrictions on the use or transfer of its assets and in full compliance with U.S. law. A new corporate entity, 5D Americas LLC, has already been incorporated in the State of Delaware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger T. Bannon View Post
    PHILADELPHIA, Sept. 30, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- 5Dimes, a leading online gaming brand, entered into a settlement agreement with the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania (EDPA) that should make the Company eligible to apply to enter the legal, regulated U.S. gaming industry under a new corporate structure, free and clear of any restrictions on the use or transfer of its assets and in full compliance with U.S. law. A new corporate entity, 5D Americas LLC, has already been incorporated in the State of Delaware.
    Thanks chief


    I knew all of the above except the last sentence

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    Its a massive long shot

    They are no
    where right now

    Might take 3 years

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    Pinnacle is the cats ass. For me its better than having Fanduel location at the casino.

    Pinnacle payouts take minutes to a couple of hours to be received in my bank account via Interac E-Transfer.

    Last time I took a payout at Pinny was on a Sunday afternoon a few weeks ago. Requested payout at 4pm and by 730 funds were deposited to my bank acct, no holds etc.

    The only thing Pinnacle isnt best at is live betting on US sports, for soccer/futbol they are very good.

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    People have said a lot of things about US gambling. So far, they have been 100% wrong. I expect that to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger T. Bannon View Post
    PHILADELPHIA, Sept. 30, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- 5Dimes, a leading online gaming brand, entered into a settlement agreement with the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania (EDPA) that should make the Company eligible to apply to enter the legal, regulated U.S. gaming industry under a new corporate structure, free and clear of any restrictions on the use or transfer of its assets and in full compliance with U.S. law. A new corporate entity, 5D Americas LLC, has already been incorporated in the State of Delaware.
    Appreciated !

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    Take a look a this PA only

    Offshore sportsbook could not afford this month of October just promo money


    • FanDuel Sportsbook, $3.1 million
    • DraftKings Sportsbook, $2.3 million
    • Barstool Sportsbook, $1.8 million
    • Unibet, $1.8 million
    • BetRivers, $1 million combined

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    Even barstool has a sportsbook now. Can't be that hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUHerd37 View Post
    Even barstool has a sportsbook now. Can't be that hard.
    SBR should have a sportsbook


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    Quote Originally Posted by MUHerd37 View Post
    Even barstool has a sportsbook now. Can't be that hard.
    25 Million PAL PA fees /licensing, etc

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    Sportsbooks are going to give away promo money and lose money for years. That is part of the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUHerd37 View Post
    Even barstool has a sportsbook now. Can't be that hard.
    Even crazier. You cannot count out Barstool. They literally could become the dominant provider in the US. Probably some SBR non-PRO right now is going to pull this off in a few years.

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    Lots of rumors floating around. Market based income levels are a possibility in ‘21

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    What are market based income levels?

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