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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoH27 View Post
    That sounds great! It seems that crypto betting is growing more and more.
    If you are looking for more cryptocurrencies maybe try Betcoinbookies, because they accept ALL cryptocurrencies. You just have to ask for the address of the crypto you prefer.
    IMO This betcoinbookies you promote should not be used....they are less then year old with no presence in any forums. With them not converting to Euro my feeling is they book the entire bet or match themselves and with no KYC someone could really crush them thats if they are not scam to begin with...absolutely no reason to use them with Brokerstorm Odsy88 and AC88 available and proven to be reliable...fyi brokerstorm takes most crypto and odsy88 accepts btc plus is adding more..
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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post

    IMO This betcoinbookies you promote should not be used....they are less then year old with no presence in any forums. With them not converting to Euro my feeling is they book the entire bet or match themselves and with no KYC someone could really crush them thats if they are not scam to begin with...absolutely no reason to use them with Brokerstorm Odsy88 and AC88 available and proven to be reliable...fyi brokerstorm takes most crypto and odsy88 accepts btc plus is adding more..
    good post

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    IMO This betcoinbookies you promote should not be used....they are less then year old with no presence in any forums. With them not converting to Euro my feeling is they book the entire bet or match themselves and with no KYC someone could really crush them thats if they are not scam to begin with...absolutely no reason to use them with Brokerstorm Odsy88 and AC88 available and proven to be reliable...fyi brokerstorm takes most crypto and odsy88 accepts btc plus is adding more..
    I will definitely try out Brokerstorm and the others .
    Although to tell you the truth, i'm quite satisfied with betcoinbookies. I'm not sure what you mean they are not converting to Euro. So far, the transactions i made were depositing a sum of euros in the crypto of my choice to the address they send me, after the transaction is confirmed by the crypto exchange, they credit my funds in euros to my Orbit Exchange account and i am good to go to place my bets.
    They have nothing to do with arranging the bets themselves. They are brokers, not bookmakers. They offer access to Orbit Exchange which is totaly legit and since the transactions are crypto exclusive why ask for KYC? they will ask, and they say it in their Terms & Conditions if Orbit Exchange or any other of their partners ask them to, due to suspicion of fraud etc. From what i can see Odsy88 does not ask for KYC either, and to me seems locigal. That's the whole point of the crypto transactions.
    The fact that they are new in the business, ok, to me so far is not a problem. They provide me with everything i need. An account and a safe space like Orbit Exchange where i can place my bets.

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    Just taken my first withdrawal with odsy/orbitx.
    Entire process took 23 minutes from my initial question asking how I go about processing a withdrawal to having the funds in my account.
    Fabulous service, will now be pushing more of my business that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jw View Post
    Just taken my first withdrawal with odsy/orbitx.
    Entire process took 23 minutes from my initial question asking how I go about processing a withdrawal to having the funds in my account.
    Fabulous service, will now be pushing more of my business that way.
    I tried out Odsy/Orbitx at Kona's suggestion a few months ago. They seemed fine but the liquidity in the exchanges was not to my liking. Would love to see them get fixed odds and then I'll try them again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonist View Post
    I tried out Odsy/Orbitx at Kona's suggestion a few months ago. They seemed fine but the liquidity in the exchanges was not to my liking. Would love to see them get fixed odds and then I'll try them again.
    With exchanges you kinda have to drip the money into the market rather than hit it all in one go.
    The majority of money is not there until 5-10 minutes before a race though.
    I'm not a huge player so I tend not to run into many liquidity issues. I make more from in-play than I do pre-race.

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    Uk IRE races liquidity is great but yea USA races only start getting $$$ closer to post time....Most major sports are fine early. some markets not but for those just hit it at Pinny...transfer $$ between books is fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by jw View Post
    With exchanges you kinda have to drip the money into the market rather than hit it all in one go.
    The majority of money is not there until 5-10 minutes before a race though.
    I'm not a huge player so I tend not to run into many liquidity issues. I make more from in-play than I do pre-race.
    Good strategy. I especially like your tactic of in-play wagering of established closers when they are at the back of the pack early during a race, which is where they are supposed to be but players still panic and want to wager on front runners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    Uk IRE races liquidity is great but yea USA races only start getting $$$ closer to post time....Most major sports are fine early. some markets not but for those just hit it at Pinny...transfer $$ between books is fast
    My "talent" is evaluating a race well in advance of post time and finding value based on early fixed odds, which can potentially be far off of final odds. When wagering into a pool within 20 minutes of a race, everyone knows the range of final odds by looking at will pays of the multi leg wagers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonist View Post
    My "talent" is evaluating a race well in advance of post time and finding value based on early fixed odds, which can potentially be far off of final odds. When wagering into a pool within 20 minutes of a race, everyone knows the range of final odds by looking at will pays of the multi leg wagers.
    on the exchange you can get 2-1 on 4/5 shots regularly. The exchange on favorites is much sharper $$$ then the tote. Its a good tool for multi race bets too see where the bad favorites and horse getting action. I use it even when I am not wagering on it



    the UK races your talent would work

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    on the exchange you can get 2-1 on 4/5 shots regularly. The exchange on favorites is much sharper $$$ then the tote. Its a good tool for multi race bets too see where the bad favorites and horse getting action. I use it even when I am not wagering on it





    the UK races your talent would work
    Interesting. I guess I didn't give it enough of a chance to evaluate these trends that you have found.
    Am just not familiar enough with the UK horses for me to have any kind of intelligent opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanPeopleSuck View Post
    Excellent thread. I think the more we keep each other informed on the broker world, the better off we all are.

    Open Question: What are your favorite broker/s? Has anybody run into any payout problems, KYC related or otherwise, anywhere lately?

    FWIW, I use Odsy88 and haven't had any problems or KYC inquiries.


    But I'd like to expand into a second broker, so I'm all ears on this thread. I switched from AC88 when they had that weird spasm of KYC mania so I'm wondering about some of these newer ones, if anybody's got any advice for me.

    Thanks, guys. It always feels better as a team effort.
    I use Orbit Exchange as i believe is a trusted Betfair Alternative Platform. I play with Betcoinbookies, because i am into crypto sports betting. So far i am satisfied with them, because there is no KYC (although they mention it in their website that they might ask KYC if there is speculation of illegal activities)..they haven't asked me, as i place my bets fair and square...they give me 3% commission and no deposit or withdrawal charges. I was a little bit suspicious because someone in the forum suggested not to bet with them, because they do not own a licence and they seem shady, so i always have my eyes opened for other options. I liked Brokerstorm, but they offered me 3,5% commission on Orbit, so i still prefer Betcoinbookies until they are proven otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoH27 View Post
    I use Orbit Exchange as i believe is a trusted Betfair Alternative Platform. I play with Betcoinbookies, because i am into crypto sports betting. So far i am satisfied with them, because there is no KYC (although they mention it in their website that they might ask KYC if there is speculation of illegal activities)..they haven't asked me, as i place my bets fair and square...they give me 3% commission and no deposit or withdrawal charges. I was a little bit suspicious because someone in the forum suggested not to bet with them, because they do not own a licence and they seem shady, so i always have my eyes opened for other options. I liked Brokerstorm, but they offered me 3,5% commission on Orbit, so i still prefer Betcoinbookies until they are proven otherwise.
    If you are okay with losing all of your balance in case "they are proven otherwise", it's fine for you to choose that approach.

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    Is Brokerstorm the only Broker with laybets on horses right?

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    Hi everyone,

    What agent sites for BetDaq, Betfair accept USA Player Registration...AND has LAY horse wagering available with their services.... I cannot find any that will take a usa player.

    Since I cannot find any more exchange sites since betmaker was shut down years ago
    I am only interested in Lay wagering for horse racing, I can use some assistance.

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    Brokerstorm has the lay option for horse racing. Maybe try them.

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    its looks like BrokerStorm dont have lay wagering available anymore saying whitehorse exchange is offline for them... any other agents have the whitehorse exchange ?

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    marketing@brokerstorm.com
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    We would like to inform you that from now on, we offer Betnfair exchange in which option Lay on horse racing is available.

    Please check the platform via the following test account and inform us if you wish to proceed with a deposit in order to create and credit a new account.

    Betnfair test account:

    Website: https://www.betnfair.com

    Username: xxxx

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    If you have any further concern or query, please feel free to contact us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilman View Post
    its looks like BrokerStorm dont have lay wagering available anymore saying whitehorse exchange is offline for them... any other agents have the whitehorse exchange ?
    They do now. Winfair is also back.
    For lay betting: betnfair




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    yes i received that email also.. and now they have said they do not take USA players for the site since KYC is required so im still looking for a good site to lay horses

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    IMO This betcoinbookies you promote should not be used....they are less then year old with no presence in any forums. With them not converting to Euro my feeling is they book the entire bet or match themselves and with no KYC someone could really crush them thats if they are not scam to begin with...absolutely no reason to use them with Brokerstorm Odsy88 and AC88 available and proven to be reliable...fyi brokerstorm takes most crypto and odsy88 accepts btc plus is adding more..
    Can you recommend piwi247 via asianconnect? If you know anything, I'd appreciate it if you'd write it down.

    asianconnect said these things:
    For your information, maximum stake in Piwi247 is 130 EUR and please refer below for minimum stake for different section. (It's maximum stake amount per bet. If you like to bet higher amount, you could place multiple bet to reach your desired figure.)
    Minimum stake:
    Pinnacle - 3 EUR
    PIWIXchange - 4 EUR
    Casino - start at 0.10 EUR

    Please be informed that 3% commission tax will be applied on your winning bets and our upline requires daily checking of bets placed on their platform. Should there be fraudulent activity or irregular betting pattern found in your account; PIWI247 have the right to close your account and forfeit your balance.
    Last edited by turk0011; 08-17-21 at 07:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turk0011 View Post
    Can you recommend piwi247 via asianconnect? If you know anything, I'd appreciate it if you'd write it down.

    asianconnect said these things:
    For your information, maximum stake in Piwi247 is 130 EUR and please refer below for minimum stake for different section. (It's maximum stake amount per bet. If you like to bet higher amount, you could place multiple bet to reach your desired figure.)
    Minimum stake:
    Pinnacle - 3 EUR
    PIWIXchange - 4 EUR
    Casino - start at 0.10 EUR

    Please be informed that 3% commission tax will be applied on your winning bets and our upline requires daily checking of bets placed on their platform. Should there be fraudulent activity or irregular betting pattern found in your account; PIWI247 have the right to close your account and forfeit your balance.
    AC88 is good very reputable. I do not use though since they bumped orbitx commision up and have not tried piwi247. Personally my opnion is Orbitx is more relaible the PIWI since they have been around the longest. Odsy88 or Brokerstorm I use for Orbitx
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    Quote Originally Posted by icon View Post
    marketing@brokerstorm.com
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    We would like to inform you that from now on, we offer Betnfair exchange in which option Lay on horse racing is available.

    Please check the platform via the following test account and inform us if you wish to proceed with a deposit in order to create and credit a new account.

    Betnfair test account:

    Website: https://www.betnfair.com

    Username: xxxx

    Password: xxxx



    If you have any further concern or query, please feel free to contact us.
    WOW did you see all the USA tracks? Way more then Betfair. Wonder where they are getting API/odds from?
    The Spread is way off between back and lay on USA
    Last edited by littlekona; 08-17-21 at 01:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    WOW did you see all the USA tracks? Way more then Betfair. Wonder where they are getting API/odds from?
    The Spread is way off between back and lay on USA
    I have not seen a list of the tracks covered as I don't have an account, however betdaq exchange in the UK (owned by ladbrokes/coral) offers lots of tracks (though not in-play) They could be pulling from there ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jw View Post
    I have not seen a list of the tracks covered as I don't have an account, however betdaq exchange in the UK (owned by ladbrokes/coral) offers lots of tracks (though not in-play) They could be pulling from there ?
    Today besides the usual betfair offerings they had thistledown, colonial and Indiana downs...all with liquidity issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    Today besides the usual betfair offerings they had thistledown, colonial and Indiana downs...all with liquidity issues
    Yes, betdaq carry many more tracks than betfair.

    Betfair are part of the same group that own tvg, as tvg and churchill no longer work together, I assume that the churchill tracks will appear on betdaq and not betfair. I never could find a list of betdaq USA tracks anywhere when I was looking. I will tray and ask support if they have a list anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jw View Post
    Yes, betdaq carry many more tracks than betfair.

    Betfair are part of the same group that own tvg, as tvg and churchill no longer work together, I assume that the churchill tracks will appear on betdaq and not betfair. I never could find a list of betdaq USA tracks anywhere when I was looking. I will tray and ask support if they have a list anywhere.
    BetNFair USA tracks today:

    Arlington (18th August 2021)
    Canterbury Park (18th August 2021)
    Colonial Downs (18th August 2021)
    Delaware (18th August 2021)
    Evangeline Downs (18th August 2021)
    Finger Lakes (18th August 2021)
    Indiana Downs (18th August 2021)
    Mountaineer Park (18th August 2021)
    Penn National (18th August 2021)
    Presque Isle Downs (18th August 2021)
    Saratoga (18th August 2021)
    Thistledown (18th August 2021)

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    Reply from Betdaq: It does look like this is where they are pulling from.

    "Many thanks for your e-mail.

    We do not have a specific list. It is fluid and depending on licensing agreements etc which change on a relatively often basis.
    As part of the Ladbrokes Entain Group we have by far the largest pool of courses available in comparison to competitors for example. Ladbrokes licensing is very strong in this area.
    We generally will host up to 7 to 10 tracks a day and usually will align with whatever tracks Sky Sports Racing is covering that night. This is obviously with the hope of creating an engaged audience and driving liquidity.
    Another way of checking what we are hosting is going onto the following links each morning where a list of the tracks we have available for that night will be shown.
    Here is todays for example​

    Arlington
    Canterbury Park
    Colonial Downs
    Delaware
    Evangeline Downs
    Finger Lakes
    Indiana Downs
    Mountaineer Park
    Penn National
    Presque Isle Downs
    Saratoga
    Thistledown

    Kind Regards

    ​Conor"


    ... and a screenshot from Betdaq from today :
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    Is anybody aware of what's going on with WinFair exchange? It's been in maintenance for weeks now. Customer support keeps saying they don't know when it'll be completed. When I first contacted them, I was told the maintenance would be finished within a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    WOW did you see all the USA tracks? Way more then Betfair. Wonder where they are getting API/odds from?
    The Spread is way off between back and lay on USA
    How do you find Betnfair. They have the place options unlike whitehorse. Also in play whitehorse is very poor. Brokerstorm is still very good for payouts.

    Think i might give them a try. With bet365 part of ontario books, they no longer offer horses .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duo42 View Post
    Is anybody aware of what's going on with WinFair exchange? It's been in maintenance for weeks now. Customer support keeps saying they don't know when it'll be completed. When I first contacted them, I was told the maintenance would be finished within a day.
    I have been with Brokerstorm for a few years and there support is usually quite helpful.. I don't use Winfair though, sorry couldn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duo42 View Post
    Is anybody aware of what's going on with WinFair exchange? It's been in maintenance for weeks now. Customer support keeps saying they don't know when it'll be completed. When I first contacted them, I was told the maintenance would be finished within a day.
    I received a similar answer. And they moved my balance from Winfair to Betnfair which is just terrible, even lower liquidity than shown on Orbitxch, fewer markets etc. They closed my account on Orbitxch earlier because ... they just don't want me anymore as a customer

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    I have to give Brokerstorm credit for a payout the other day. I gave them my deposit wallet instead of withdrawal wallet. They emailed me and let me know and fixed the problem within 10 minutes. I thought for sure my funds were gone.
    PSA when you are making a withdrawal double check address and don't drink while you are .

    thanks again Brokerstorm.

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    anyone doing the new deposit metod and verification BS? CS told me you dont have to and sent me a list of deposit wallet addreses as an altrenative. any one else?

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