[Ruifgalmeida]

I moved 95% of my horse plays to orbitx for backs and whitehorse for lays....Fairlay horse main market maker for horses is horrible(the excellent one stopped about 2 years ago) ill use fairlay for horses on occasion but prices are not betfair they id say 10% off or so.

If you can create markets off betfair API and close them at post times daily you will build a following once people find out but most serious players know the horse platform sucks so they dont bother to look....

Is Whitehorse safe? What broker do you use?

[littlekona]

Is Whitehorse safe? What broker do you use?

Brokerstorm. I am too new to say how safe as Ive only started the last 2 months to use them more. The site itself is OK but USA races have low liquidity like 9wickets did and sometimes market will not open. They do not offer Place pools too. But it does have LAY which is great. So Far the Brokerstorm team CS has been very good I will say. I do still like Odsy88 alot and trust them as much as I do AC88.

[acegilz]

The site is so god damn ugly, I'd never trust them

for sure it's not the best design, but come on..
it's not that bad, especially when compared to other asian books like ps3838

[thespeculator]

Brokerstorm. I am too new to say how safe as Ive only started the last 2 months to use them more. The site itself is OK but USA races have low liquidity like 9wickets did and sometimes market will not open. They do not offer Place pools too. But it does have LAY which is great. So Far the Brokerstorm team CS has been very good I will say. I do still like Odsy88 alot and trust them as much as I do AC88.

In total i have withdrawn 3800k euro in 8 months. Longest payout was 25 hours. They have been around for a long time , but these are my only payouts. So far so good!!

[craftbrewer]

A new book called penta88 has recently been added to mollybet platform. Has anyone heard anything about this book? Do they void bets like singbet? I noticed their limits are pretty low compared to pin, isn and sing and it looks like they are not other books' clone and have their own odds.

[Motorhead11]

A new book called penta88 has recently been added to mollybet platform. Has anyone heard anything about this book? Do they void bets like singbet? I noticed their limits are pretty low compared to pin, isn and sing and it looks like they are not other books' clone and have their own odds.

Took some bets with them, no voids.

[Camma23]

A new book called penta88 has recently been added to mollybet platform. Has anyone heard anything about this book? Do they void bets like singbet? I noticed their limits are pretty low compared to pin, isn and sing and it looks like they are not other books' clone and have their own odds.

I used and bad feedback from me. Small limits and they took ages to accept a bet and many times it fail. So far I found 0 utility from this new bookie. I've already disabled it from my molly. If in future they'll improve I'll bring it back

[thespeculator]

Brokerstorm. I am too new to say how safe as Ive only started the last 2 months to use them more. The site itself is OK but USA races have low liquidity like 9wickets did and sometimes market will not open. They do not offer Place pools too. But it does have LAY which is great. So Far the Brokerstorm team CS has been very good I will say. I do still like Odsy88 alot and trust them as much as I do AC88.

In terms of getting paid quickly Odsy88 is the fastest i have ever had. 2000euro in about 15 minutes. The only time taken is the sending of request through email and then they send a code on phone. After that it is just wait for blockchain.

[Camma23]

In terms of getting paid quickly Odsy88 is the fastest i have ever had. 2000euro in about 15 minutes. The only time taken is the sending of request through email and then they send a code on phone. After that it is just wait for blockchain.

their biggest problem for football gamblers is that they incredibly miss molly software. Every asian broker has, except them

[Poisec]

Orbitx dropped the Lay Option on horses months ago thats what he means. Lay is still available in sports BUT not horses where you can only back

Lay on horses still available on Betkeen (Easysportbet).

[littlekona]

Lay on horses still available on Betkeen (Easysportbet).

no usa though. for usa brokerstorm via whitehorse is only one that i know of that offers horse lays but they do have liquidity issues on USA tracks at times. Fairlay offers limited lays mostly on favorites only but the market maker for horses is horrible. As far as Orbitx or Pinny Odsy88 is my favorite agent best CS and fastest payouts

[Hanno]

hello

can someone please explain ELI5 the new Betfair rules for tennis retirements as my english is not good enough and translation still does not let me understand it. Retirement after first set is clear. Thanks

ATP/WTA/Challenger/Grand Slam etc (non ITF/exhibition)

Retirement during first set: All match bets will be voided/all bets on next sets will be voided. Winning bets where outcome was known will be settled as winners. Selections that no longer could have been winners will be settled as losers.

Retirement after first set: Player/team progressing to next round is settled as the winner. However, the player's opponent is no longer a losing selection - you will get your stakes back. Bets where outcome was known will be settled as winners. While selections that no longer could have been winners will be settled as losers.

[Optional]

hello

can someone please explain ELI5 the new Betfair rules for tennis retirements as my english is not good enough and translation still does not let me understand it. Retirement after first set is clear. Thanks

ATP/WTA/Challenger/Grand Slam etc (non ITF/exhibition)

Retirement during first set: All match bets will be voided/all bets on next sets will be voided. Winning bets where outcome was known will be settled as winners. Selections that no longer could have been winners will be settled as losers.

Retirement after first set: Player/team progressing to next round is settled as the winner. However, the player's opponent is no longer a losing selection - you will get your stakes back. Bets where outcome was known will be settled as winners. While selections that no longer could have been winners will be settled as losers.

If set 1 is not completed all bets on both players to win the entire match are refunded.

After set 1 the player who advances is paid as a winner and the retiring player is a refund.

That is the only difference.

[Hanno]

If set 1 is not completed all bets on both players to win the entire match are refunded.

After set 1 the player who advances is paid as a winner and the retiring player is a refund.

That is the only difference.

thank you very much for explanation. Let's see if I get it right

if I understood you right means that for example player A vs Player B > I have a 100$ bet on Player A and player A retires in 3rd set > I get 100$ refund, is that correct?

[Optional]

thank you very much for explanation. Let's see if I get it right

if I understood you right means that for example player A vs Player B > I have a 100$ bet on Player A and player A retires in 3rd set > I get 100$ refund, is that correct?

Correct.

Those rules sound so good I am not surprised that you want to double check.

[lacoste]

Hello,
This is a new rule ?
I have had many bets in past, graded as a loser because i bet on a player who retired after 1'st set...

[Hanno]

Correct.

Those rules sound so good I am not surprised that you want to double check.

Exactly

I had today a few bets in-play and in the 3rd set I had for example 200 to lose if player A wins and 100 to lose if player B wins
Player A retired! What should I get here in this situation? The 200, the 100 or both?

thanks again

[Hanno]

Hello,
This is a new rule ?
I have had many bets in past, graded as a loser because i bet on a player who retired after 1'st set...

yes this is the new rule (Betfair) and I am glad I could point you to it

[Sawyer]

My favourite broker is BETINASIA recently.

[Hanno]

Exactly

I had today a few bets in-play and in the 3rd set I had for example 200 to lose if player A wins and 100 to lose if player B wins
Player A retired! What should I get here in this situation? The 200, the 100 or both?

thanks again

is anyone able to answer this question?
Actually if you are red on both players and one player retires, how will or should it be handled?

[Alfie White]

Depends with what bookmakers you had your bets with, it all comes down to bookmaker rules on the sport. What were the exact bets and with what bookmakers? Once you have that data present, you can consult the bookmaker rules on the retirement and see if everything has been settled correctly.

[Hanno]

Depends with what bookmakers you had your bets with, it all comes down to bookmaker rules on the sport. What were the exact bets and with what bookmakers? Once you have that data present, you can consult the bookmaker rules on the retirement and see if everything has been settled correctly.

with a Betfair agent so I guess Betfair rules apply. I am sure we have some smart and experienced members here who could answer my question. Thanks

[Alfie White]

Well, take a look at Betfair rules then:
https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Rule...ations/#tennis

As said previously, let us know what were the EXACT bets so we can try and assist you.

[lacoste]

Seems Orbit doesn't have this new rule :
- If a player or pairing retires or is disqualified in any match, the player or pairing progressing to the next round (or winning the tournament in the case of a final) will be deemed the winner. However if less than one set has been completed at the time of the retirement or disqualification then all bets relating to that individual match will be void.

[Poisec]

is anyone able to answer this question?
Actually if you are red on both players and one player retires, how will or should it be handled?

You will be green or less red.

[Poisec]

hello

can someone please explain ELI5 the new Betfair rules for tennis retirements as my english is not good enough and translation still does not let me understand it. Retirement after first set is clear. Thanks

ATP/WTA/Challenger/Grand Slam etc (non ITF/exhibition)

Retirement during first set: All match bets will be voided/all bets on next sets will be voided. Winning bets where outcome was known will be settled as winners. Selections that no longer could have been winners will be settled as losers.

Retirement after first set: Player/team progressing to next round is settled as the winner. However, the player's opponent is no longer a losing selection - you will get your stakes back. Bets where outcome was known will be settled as winners. While selections that no longer could have been winners will be settled as losers.

This is only true on Betfair Sportsbook, this "new rule" is from 2018: https://betting.betfair.com/tennis/n...%20as%20losers.



Check the rules of the Exchange, they are the same as before.

[Hanno]

You will be green or less red.

thanks for the answer but I don't understand. How can I be green if I have red on both sides? And what do you mean with less red?

[Hanno]

Seems Orbit doesn't have this new rule :
- If a player or pairing retires or is disqualified in any match, the player or pairing progressing to the next round (or winning the tournament in the case of a final) will be deemed the winner. However if less than one set has been completed at the time of the retirement or disqualification then all bets relating to that individual match will be void.

thanks for the answer but if are correct than why is the Agent telling us they are powered by Betfair and Betfair rules apply? I will ask my Agent now

edit
it is not a new rule as it is mentioned in another answer here it is from 2018 so I hope they use the old/new rule

[Optional]

This is only true on Betfair Sportsbook, this "new rule" is from 2018: https://betting.betfair.com/tennis/n...%20as%20losers.



Check the rules of the Exchange, they are the same as before.

Thanks Poisec. I should have realized right away this must be a sportsbook rule and not for the exchange. Where would the extra money come from to pay one side a winner and refund the other if it was the exchange.

[Hanno]

Thanks Poisec. I should have realized right away this must be a sportsbook rule and not for the exchange. Where would the extra money come from to pay one side a winner and refund the other if it was the exchange.

if this is the rule for betfair sportsbook
where can I find the rules for betfair exchange?

[Optional]

if this is the rule for betfair sportsbook
where can I find the rules for betfair exchange?

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Rule...ations/#tennis

Tennis

If a player or pairing retires or is disqualified in any match, the player or pairing progressing to the next round (or winning the tournament in the case of a final) will be deemed the winner. However if less than one set has been completed at the time of the retirement or disqualification then all bets relating to that individual match will be void.

All bets relating to the number of occurrences of certain events within a tournament will be void if the tournament is reduced in length, postponed or cancelled, except for those on markets which have been unconditionally determined.

All bets will stand regardless of changes to scheduled venues, including any changes to a different type of surface.

If the scheduled duration of a match is reduced or increased in the number of games/sets required to win, all bets will be void except for those on markets which have been unconditionally determined. Please note that this does not apply to ‘Match Odds’ or ‘Set Winner’ markets on Davis Cup matches or ‘dead rubber’ matches that have been shortened from five sets to three sets after the market has been loaded, provided that the match has been shortened in accordance with the competition’s rules.

Where markets are offered on individual games or sets within a match, a retirement or disqualification during a game or set will render bets on that game or set market and all individual game or set markets void except those on markets which have been unconditionally determined.

But easiest way is to look at the main site and look at the rules next to each market you want to bet.

[Hanno]

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Rule...ations/#tennis




But easiest way is to look at the main site and look at the rules next to each market you want to bet.

thanks again and sorry as I don't understand. Are the retirement rules different for betfair sportsbook and betfair exchange?

[Optional]

thanks again and sorry as I don't understand. Are the retirement rules different for betfair sportsbook and betfair exchange?

Yes they are. A sportsbook bets against you, so they are able to offer deals like money back on retirement and still pay a winner.

An exchange cannot do that, as there is no party there to match the "extra" money required to pay winners if losers are refunded.


Here are the Sportsbook rules.

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Spor...ations/#tennis

[Hanno]

Yes they are. A sportsbook bets against you, so they are able to offer deals like money back on retirement and still pay a winner.

An exchange cannot do that, as there is no party there to match the "extra" money required to pay winners if losers are refunded.


Here are the Sportsbook rules.

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Spor...ations/#tennis

[Foosball Champ]

withdrawal. brokerstorm 10k+ 24 hours regularly. 3.5% commish.