[hubiebrown]

I have found that 5Dimes is repeatedly Deleting my wagers as "Reason: Clear line error". I Looked back and this has happened a bunch over the past few months to me.

What am I supposed to do about all the other wagers I made in cooperation with the deleted wager? I don't get those back, and now I'm stuck with a portfolio I did not intend. I understand if there's an error, but this keeps happening, and the "Clear line error" is not always a large error. Often times I find the line WORSE at other books online, and those are not errors.

In my opinion, this is very dangerous waters for the sportsbook industry to have reasonable wagers DELETED for a Clear line error, when the error is not clear at all, or even an error to begin with?

Not sure what I should do, if anything.

Hubie

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lets hear about the deleted wagers, post screenshots if you have them.

[hubiebrown]

lets hear about the deleted wagers, post screenshots if you have them.

I do have screenshots. Is it against Terms of Service to post these?

[michael777]

no,post away

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I do have screenshots. Is it against Terms of Service to post these?

just black out any personal information or acct number before posting the screenshots

[Optional]

I do have screenshots. Is it against Terms of Service to post these?

It's fine.

Use an image hosting site like tinypic.com and paste the code into your post.

[hubiebrown]

wait

[hubiebrown]

Yankees +480
"Line Error should be +185"

Why? Twins are +485 with the same record, and are up 7 games on the next divisional foe. Why is it an obvious line error that Yankees +480?

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Looks like an error. Yanks are 4-1 to win the World Series and approx +180ish to win the AL right now at other places so it looks like 5Dimes is correct in voiding in this situation.

[Barrakuda]

Bc everywhere else had +200 or worse.

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I have found that 5Dimes is repeatedly Deleting my wagers
Often times I find the line WORSE at other books online, and those are not errors.

Bingo. If lines are substantially WORSE at other shops, like +175 and 5Dimes listed +400 then its an error pure and simple.

[eaglesfan371]

LOL this guy cracks me up.

That is a clear line error. Not even close

[hubiebrown]

I dont understand, am I supposed to have accounts with other sportsbooks? the westgate in las vegas, which is apparantely the official line in vegas, is showing the CLE Indians at 10-1. Your screenshots show 15-1 and 17-1.

Should I be thinking "I want to bet 17-1 b/c it's the highest" or "I'm going to bet 10-1 because 17-1 and 15-1 could be an error and they will detele it" ?

Very confused.
-Hubie

[BigdaddyQH]

Bingo. If lines are substantially WORSE at other shops, like +175 and 5Dimes listed +400 then its an error pure and simple.

Makes total sense. Stop trying to con the book. They have about a million times more experience than you. Be thankful they did not take your money.

[hubiebrown]

Maybe you can guys explain this one from June 10th. And tell me what the "Clear" correct line should have been?

Future/Contest wager XXXXXXX posted on Monday, Jun 10 2019 1:06PM was deleted on Monday, Jun 10 2019 2:30PM.

Golf - Major - US Open 2019 - Top 20 - Haotong Li +3300
Risking $19.00 to win $627.00

Reason: Clear line error, line should have been Haotong Li +600 not +3300
Contact customer support if you need further clarification regarding this deleted ticket.

[hubiebrown]

Why am I trying to con the book? I cant be responsible for knowing what the books specific odds are supposed to be on someone. Isn't that the whole point? I have more deleted wagers I can post. Golf, NBA, etc. I'm so confused. I was taught to bet the numbers that look good to me?

[hubiebrown]

Future/Contest wager posted on Friday, Jun 7 2019 11:44PM was deleted on Saturday, Jun 8 2019 12:24AM.

Golf - PGA 2019 Majors & Specials - US Open 2019 - Xander Schauffele +6600
Risking $50.00 to win $3,300.00

Reason: Clear line error, price should have been X.Schauffele +2500 not +6600
Contact customer support if you need further clarification regarding this deleted ticket.

[fried cheese]

doesnt seem like its obvious enough to me if a team with a similar record is still better odds. rangers are 400 difference in those. is that a line error?

[hubiebrown]

Golf - PGA - Safeway Open - Top 10 - Cameron Tringale +10000
Risking $1.00 to win $100.00

Reason: Clear line error, line should have been Cameron Tringale +1000 not +10000
Contact customer support if you need further clarification regarding this deleted ticket.

[DontTailMe]

What am I supposed to do about all the other wagers I made in cooperation with the deleted wager? I don't get those back, and now I'm stuck with a portfolio I did not intend.

This is a risk you take when trying to hedge top selections. You'd better make sure that one or more of your choices aren't at risk of being voided. In this case, the reason why you found a good hedge opportunity is because one of your teams was dramatically different from market rates.

Also, some books are more likely to do this than others. You now know 5Dimes is one of those books, so you should factor that into your future decision making. But they haven't done anything wrong here.

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Very confused.
-Hubie

Without screenshots I cant believe your claim. Show us Westgate current odds on Cleveland at 10-1 and we can continue. I doubt you're as naive as you portray.

[hubiebrown]

I could go all night long posting the wagers 5 dimes deleted. My point is, how am I supposed to know when a line is an "error" or good "value"? I should check all the other sites, to confirm my line is too good so I shouldn't bet it?

Still confused,
Hubie

[DontTailMe]

While I agree that OP's line was an error, no one should ever hold up MyBookie future odds as an example of market value. They are horrific oddsmakers in general.

[hubiebrown]

Without screenshots I cant believe your claim. Show us Westgate current odds on Cleveland at 10-1 and we can continue. I doubt you're as naive as you portray.

Westgate current line


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[hubiebrown]

5dimes has CLE indians at 20-1 AL Pennant. Is that an error? Better jump on it! Or better not, you shouldn't try to 'con' the book.

Hubie

[hubiebrown]

This is a risk you take when trying to hedge top selections. You'd better make sure that one or more of your choices aren't at risk of being voided. In this case, the reason why you found a good hedge opportunity is because one of your teams was dramatically different from market rates.

Also, some books are more likely to do this than others. You now know 5Dimes is one of those books, so you should factor that into your decision making. But they haven't done anything wrong here.

Understood, thanks DontTailMe

[fried cheese]

5dimes has CLE indians at 20-1 AL Pennant. Is that an error? Better jump on it! Or better not, you shouldn't try to 'con' the book.

Hubie

i agree with you. there is no "correct" line. they are opinions. you offer it then you are responsible. they shouldnt offer bets if they cant get it right. stock trading bots dont get their money back when they mess up.

[DontTailMe]

i agree with you. there is no "correct" line. they are opinions. you offer it then you are responsible. they shouldnt offer bets if they cant get it right. stock trading bots dont get their money back when they mess up.

While I agree with you fundamentally, unfortunately the books control all parameters of the game and force us to agree to terms of service which give them that broad authority if we want to participate.

[hubiebrown]

While I agree with you fundamentally, unfortunately the books control all parameters of the game and force us to agree to terms of service which give them that broad authority if we want to participate.

THanks for replying. Just wondered if I had any recourse. I guess none at all. Not sure why SBR would rate them so highly when they put out numbers and take our money they decide if they like the bet or not.

[fried cheese]

While I agree with you fundamentally, unfortunately the books control all parameters of the game and force us to agree to terms of service which give them that broad authority if we want to participate.

thats true, but the sad part is that they have brainwashed ppl into thinking that it is ridiculous that they should be held accountable for their mistakes.

[bubba]

i agree with you. there is no "correct" line. they are opinions. you offer it then you are responsible. they shouldnt offer bets if they cant get it right. stock trading bots dont get their money back when they mess up.

Thats how new jersey books act. they book it they, pay it. they appear to be in business just fine. I actually have no problem with a "bad line" rule but i feel it should only be used in extreme and obvious cases (+300 instead of -300 or +7.5 instead of -7.5). This is a worse line that many other cancellations I have seen from offshore books but still not bad enough to warrant a cancellation in my humble opinion. But at this point its industry standard. (for offshore)

[fried cheese]

Thats how new jersey books act. they book it they, pay it. they appear to be in business just fine. I actually have no problem with a "bad line" rule but i feel it should only be used in extreme and obvious cases (+300 instead of -300 or +7.5 instead of -7.5). This is a worse line that many other cancellations I have seen from offshore books but still not bad enough to warrant a cancellation in my humble opinion. But at this point its industry standard. (for offshore)

they probably have to honor them under new jersey law. bets are contracts.

[bubba]

they probably have to honor them under new jersey law. bets are contracts.

I dont think its a law. Fanduel tried to cancel a grossly bad line on a live wager at the begining of football season and after about a week of negative pr they reversed their decision. I know of someone else who bet an absolutely horrible line and his wager was cancelled and he was booted from the book.

There does need to be a line drawn somewhere. If a book has an actual technical glitch that pays out 100 million dollars on a 1$ bet (on a favorite), I think we would all agree the wager does not need to be honored.

[DontTailMe]

they probably have to honor them under new jersey law. bets are contracts.

If this is true, it won't be for long. Nevada law (and other jurisdictions) give great deference to casinos correcting mistakes, and I imagine their lobbying power will extend this to all legalized sports betting states. There's certainly no one taking this up with congressmen on behalf of the degenerate gambler, that's for sure.