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    William Hill blocked the account and froze the money.

    William Hill blocked the account and froze the money because I received a neteller withdrawal of funds from other organizations and transfers from other users to my neteller wallet.
    I will describe the situation from the very beginning. I requested a withdrawal. I was asked for a selfie with my passport and a document confirming my address, as well as the print screen of the neteller wallet. I provided the selfie and printscreen data. I was asked to take an extract from the bank with my address. I took it and made the necessary selfies. Then William Hill disarmed the quality of the selfie. I made new better ones. They were accepted. I attach all these photos to this post. But there were problems with the print screen of my neteller wallet. I previously sent print screen with my data, which confirm that I am the owner of this wallet and it is fully verified. In the chat, William Hill I was asked to make, besides this printscreen, also the printscreen, which shows transfers to William Hill, as well as my receipt of money before these transfers. I provided them by closing the remaining transactions. Then they asked to open all transactions. I opened all the transactions and provided all the necessary printscreens. As a result, in the chat I was informed that my account was closed and my money was confiscated, since I had violated the clause 7.1 of the rules.
    he reads:7.1 If You wish to participate in the Services, You must deposit monies into Your Account from an account or source of which You are the account holder. The depositing source must be personal and not from corporate or business cards/accounts, this includes third party payments and transfers of monies from an unconnected person to that of the account holder. Such monies may (subject to paragraph 5) then be used by You to place bets or play games. Further details of how to deposit, withdraw and transfer funds can be found in the Deposit part of the Help section of the Website. If You use a payment method in respect of which You are not the account holder, we reserve the right to treat any deposit into the Account as being invalid (and any winnings arising from such deposit as void) pending the satisfactory completion of all relevant Checks.
    At the same time, I was informed that I had violated this clause, because my neteller wallet was replenished with third parties. The Security Department was not satisfied with the fact that, before making deposits at William Hill, I received transfers from other sites and from other users.Let's start by explaining how the Neteller billing system works. I register my wallet, confirm my identity, replenish it and then I make deposits to various organizations, send money to other users of this system, and also receive money from organizations and other users of this system. I am absolutely not obliged to personally replenish my account before each deposit into any organization.It seemed obvious to me, but apparently the Security Department does not think so. It is completely incomprehensible why for William Hill it is a problem that before replenishing the site of William Hill I received money from other sites and from other users in my personal neteller wallet. Next, I would like to draw attention to the fact that I sent to William Hill information about my transfers to the neteller wallet solely because I have nothing to hide and, as I already informed staff William Hill in the chat, I am ready to provide everything them need. But this information is in no way related to organization William Hill. Paragraph 7.1 of the rules states that "you must deposit money into your account from an account or source of which you are the full owner.". I am the full owner of my neteller account. This is confirmed on the screenshots that I sent them. No matter where I send and where I get the money for this wallet. Security Department claim is absurd. According to this analogy, they can imagine that a person will make a deposit with a credit card, they will request an extract on this card, they will see there that his salary has been transferred to him, how much his friend has sent, and then say that he replenished your wallet with third parties. paragraph 7.1 of the rules is written for those cases when a person replenishes an account specifically in William Hill not from his personal sources, when someone replenishes for him, when he uses someone else's accounts in payment systems, someone else's credit card, and so on. Based on all the previously written, I believe that a terrible mistake of Security Department occurred. I will repeat to you what I already informed the workers of William Hill: I have always provided and am ready to provide all possible documents, selfies and photos of what need. I didn’t break any of rules, I made neteller replenishment from my personal wallet.
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    Quite unreadable, but, you claim that Neteller account is 100% yours - does that Neteller account has the same First and Last Name as your account with WHill?

    For example, is your Neteller account registered to "John Doe" and your Passport and WHill account also say "John Doe"?

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    With such wall of text Donald Trump could keep a few people out of his country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfie White View Post
    Quite unreadable, but, you claim that Neteller account is 100% yours - does that Neteller account has the same First and Last Name as your account with WHill?

    For example, is your Neteller account registered to "John Doe" and your Passport and WHill account also say "John Doe"?
    of course. everything is completely the same.
    I could write less text, but then answering the questions I would still write it all. I decided to give all the information at once.
    If you want short, then the essence of this:William Hill requested different documents and selfies. Got it all. Confirmed them. Then he requested screenshots from neteller with transactions. They saw that I received money from other sites and users in my wallet neteller and, accusing me of replenishing the account of William Hill not by my means, blocked the account.

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    Recently the UK Gambling Commission instructed their licensed bookmakers to increase KYC checks.

    In particular they were asked to check SoF (Source of Funds) and SoW (Source of Wealth)

    Basically they not only want books to check you can afford to gamble, but you are also only gambling with funds legally tied to you.


    I am just guessing, but it sounds like one the people who sent you skrill funds has previously failed one of these, and now any funds from them are banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Recently the UK Gambling Commission instructed their licensed bookmakers to increase KYC checks.

    In particular they were asked to check SoF (Source of Funds) and SoW (Source of Wealth)

    Basically they not only want books to check you can afford to gamble, but you are also only gambling with funds legally tied to you.


    I am just guessing, but it sounds like one the people who sent you skrill funds has previously failed one of these, and now any funds from them are banned.
    1. transfers from other users are dozens of times less than received cash withdrawals from other bookmakers. that is, if they are really interested in how much money I have made a deposit to them, then I receive money from other users here.
    2. In any case, I don’t understand how it matters how I received money for a Neteller just before a deposit in William Hill. The neteller wallet belongs to me. It is proven. They agree with this.
    3. They could just ask me to refill the Neteller wallet with my credit card and provide a screenshot of this. If in principle they do not trust the Neteller system, then they could make a withdrawal for me to my bank account. Any of these options would suit me. But they decided to just steal my money without explaining the reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siprase View Post
    1. transfers from other users are dozens of times less than received cash withdrawals from other bookmakers. that is, if they are really interested in how much money I have made a deposit to them, then I receive money from other users here.
    2. In any case, I don’t understand how it matters how I received money for a Neteller just before a deposit in William Hill. The neteller wallet belongs to me. It is proven. They agree with this.
    3. They could just ask me to refill the Neteller wallet with my credit card and provide a screenshot of this. If in principle they do not trust the Neteller system, then they could make a withdrawal for me to my bank account. Any of these options would suit me. But they decided to just steal my money without explaining the reasons.
    Personally, I pretty much agree with all of that.

    I don't think bookmakers are the correct people to be collecting this information at all.

    Was just explaining what I think might be going on.


    You can email second_opinion@willhill.com and ask them to review the decision.

    If (when) they say they uphold the decision ask them to refer you to their dispute resolution service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Personally, I pretty much agree with all of that.

    I don't think bookmakers are the correct people to be collecting this information at all.

    Was just explaining what I think might be going on.


    You can email second_opinion@willhill.com and ask them to review the decision.

    If (when) they say they uphold the decision ask them to refer you to their dispute resolution service.
    I already wrote there on June 13th. There is still no answer. Could you explain what it means "ask them to refer you to their dispute resolution service."

    Does the second opinion department often respond to people? Maybe you know examples of how much they answered? I do not want a year to wait for their answer)

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    How much did you deposit?
    Balance?
    Sportsbet or Casino/Poker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by siprase View Post

    I already wrote there on June 13th. There is still no answer. Could you explain what it means "ask them to refer you to their dispute resolution service."

    Does the second opinion department often respond to people? Maybe you know examples of how much they answered? I do not want a year to wait for their answer)
    Yes they usually do respond in my experience. And usually same day.

    Under their UK license they must provide an independent dispute resolution service and must help you access it if you ask. If you ask them they should tell you to apply to http://www.ibas-uk.com and also advise IBAS they have sent you there. This generally makes the process much faster.


    Maybe just email the Second Opinion address again and say this;

    "I have tried to resolve this problem with both the WIllHill normal customer support and by contacting the Secind Opinion team and have been given zero assistance to help sort this out.

    The UKGC says that under your license you are required to provide a dispute resolution option. I demand to be allowed access to this."


    Send it to Second Opinion and CC it to info@gamblingcommission.gov.uk

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    I already wrote earlier in https://www.ibas-uk.com. While there is no response from them.
    Also I already wrote and in info@gamblingcommission.gov.uk. In response, today they asked to fill out a form by hand on 7 sheets. Do you think this makes sense?
    I asked for support from William Hill - they say that the second opinion department is still considering my case. Should I write to the second opinion department again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAbra2k View Post
    How much did you deposit?
    Balance?
    Sportsbet or Casino/Poker?
    deposit 140.24+250+50+30+20=490.24
    Balance 691.5
    only Sportsbet
    Why do you need this information?


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    Quote Originally Posted by siprase View Post
    I already wrote earlier in https://www.ibas-uk.com. While there is no response from them.
    Also I already wrote and in info@gamblingcommission.gov.uk. In response, today they asked to fill out a form by hand on 7 sheets. Do you think this makes sense?
    I asked for support from William Hill - they say that the second opinion department is still considering my case. Should I write to the second opinion department again?
    Maybe give them 24 hours before you chase them up again I'd think.

    Sounds positive if there is a note on your file like that for CS.

    And yes, If UKGC are interested enough to ask you to fill that out themselves, I would do it. They mostly make excuses, not ask for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siprase View Post
    deposit 140.24+250+50+30+20=490.24
    Balance 691.5
    only Sportsbet
    Why do you need this information?

    So you won about 200€ in sportsbets. No Bonus involved.
    Just want to know how much they try to "steal" on you.

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    that's insane. I hope there still a chance to get your money back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Recently the UK Gambling Commission instructed their licensed bookmakers to increase KYC checks.
    In particular they were asked to check SoF (Source of Funds) and SoW (Source of Wealth)
    Basically they not only want books to check you can afford to gamble, but you are also only gambling with funds legally tied to you.
    I am just guessing, but it sounds like one the people who sent you skrill funds has previously failed one of these, and now any funds from them are banned.
    Some of the cash you've handled in your life has been touched by a thief or murderer at some point. You now have to go to jail and forfeit all your personal assets, okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    Some of the cash you've handled in your life has been touched by a thief or murderer at some point. You now have to go to jail and forfeit all your personal assets, okay?
    Hey, I will tell anyone who will listen that regulation in the UK is out of control.

    Definitely not defending it. Just trying to help explain and navigate it for the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Hey, I will tell anyone who will listen that regulation in the UK is out of control.

    Definitely not defending it. Just trying to help explain and navigate it for the OP.
    British politicians are totally out of step with British society. Hopefully a large number of them will be gone very soon. It might be too late for the UK bookmaking industry though. Some time ago the government announced plans to shut down fixed odds gambling machines with $100 stakes in UK betting shops. The industry warned it would lead to mass closures. William Hill announced the 1st 700 shop closures this week. End of the road for those managers, cashiers, cleaners, and suppliers. Given the state of the economy many of these shops will remain closed for a very long time.

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    Yeah, they're pretty strict. They are the only bookmaker to email me 5 minutes after I deposited to request new documents and a screenshot of my e-wallet dashboard. This was after I confirmed my account a couple years ago. A pop-up wouldn't go away at Bet365 until I confirmed my docs there, so it's a UK thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xKMACKx View Post
    Yeah, they're pretty strict. They are the only bookmaker to email me 5 minutes after I deposited to request new documents and a screenshot of my e-wallet dashboard. This was after I confirmed my account a couple years ago. A pop-up wouldn't go away at Bet365 until I confirmed my docs there, so it's a UK thing.
    Bet365 has the same re-confirm popup in Australia, but for some reason they seem to be able to meet AML and Responsible Gambling standards here without needing bank statements, wage slips, tax returns and multiple rounds of requests for KYC info.

    Weird when its the same companies using the same platform software in what I would consider a country with much better considered player protection policies than the UK has, for all the extra privacy intrusion in UK.

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    As a result, there were no letters of reply, but William Hill paid all the money.

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    thatīs interesing....so they pay the "low" amount, like yours with 200€ but take the easy money with big amounts 4 digits like what i read here before from others. how did you solve it?

    congrats

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    why 200? I wrote earlier that $ 691.5. I do not know what helped me from what I wrote. I have not received any response letters.

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    my wrong,yes you are right. i thought they paid your deposit before.

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