[realloque]

Since SportsBetting ( sister Betonline bookie ) cheated me and they dont want to pay , i need to post here what happened . There was today match nba preaseasaon Miami vs Hornets . Last minutes of this match offer in SportsBetting was frozen , odds didnt move at all , + 18,5 / - 18,5 handicaps for the entire match and o u 207,5 also for entire match . What did i : bet 6 bets , 5 are won , 1 is lost . What SB did : settled down all won bets as cancelled , one lost bet as loss , hehe . Its a really funny thing . Why they should cancell all bets , or settle down all bets . My 1 st won bet was won ( they cancelled ) , then 2 nd bet is lost ( they counted as loss ) , rest 4 bets are won ( they cancelled ) . So one and only lost bet , its in the middle of won bets , and its settled down as the only bet . Its just a funny joke ., I talked to them much , adn they dont change this . This is a clear robbery . Whats more about other sister bookie , TigerGaming , they aslo thiefs . I been playing some months there , had mlb baseball , went for over for entire match for 4000 usd , it was probably cleveland v minnesota , match ended due to rain in 8 th inning . They settled down as loss . Another joke . In their rule , its clear that bets should be voided . After my complaint they give me back my 4000 usd . But they tried to steal obviously my money. Then 2nd time they did it : i made tennis prematch bet , my player won , after retirement opponent in 3 rd set . Their rules say , that 1 set needs to be completed for moneyline wagers . But they voided . After i made a coomplaint , they said , that some rule gives them a right to cancel . Theres no that rule in their Sports Rules .Anyway , it seems if one wins something in there , they steal money .

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can anyone help me ? I dont want to allow them to steal anytime they want to steal . And i dont think that i need to check their offer if its " good " offer with no pupls . When i did my first 2 bets , these odds were normal , so even im total 100 % not-weak-lines-hiter , i would bet these lines .

[bubba]

I'm not gonna lie- that practice looks shady as hell on their part. Referring to cancelling the winners and keeping the lone loser in heat game.

[PD77]

Were they bad lines? I see another cancelled bet of St Louis Cardinals +9. I agree they should’ve canceled both sides but when you bet bad lines you open yourself up to being free rolled by the book.

[realloque]

its true , i went for a clear pulp , cardinals were 10 - 0 leading , and SB gave + 9,0 for cardinals . So now its good for them to steal my money ? Maybe its interesting that last their pulps all were lost ( like last big pulp + 1,5 Giants vs Rockies , when the score was 5 - 5 ) and finally in overtime Rockies scored 3 run home run and won 8 - 5 ( + 1,5 for giants lost ) . Can u imagine ? They should have cancelled for sure , hehe .

My problem that im writing is only about Miami vs Hornets . I tell again to make all clear . Its like 3 minutes to the end of the match . I see odds + 18,5 / - 18,5 , over under 207,5 . I ssee some good middle opportunity , not much , 2 points , but 3minutes to the end , its worth of it . So i made 2 bets ( as u can see on screenshot ) . Then , when time was under 1 minute , i was sure its a pulp because bets didint move at all , and even when match was about to end , same lines were . i was betting on these pulp lines , knowing that SB made an error , right . And now u think they should do like they did ? A joke ?

[realloque]

if bookies act rightfully , ok . But they not . They know about fixing matches and still offer bets . its not a cheat ??? So i dont have any remorse to hit " wrong " lines .

[ShanghaiBeijing1]

I'm curious to know if anyone has had a bet honored when they've taken advantage of a clear misstatement in the line being offered? Just seems like you're asking for trouble trying to capitalize on these scenarios at a bookmaker.

[realloque]

i dont have any problem if they void all pulp bets . Their right . But they cancel only won bets . All last my pulp bets were voided , only lost pulp bet was settled down , very clever way to make money from them .

[PD77]

What did they say in live chat or over the phone?

[ShanghaiBeijing1]

i dont have any problem if they void all pulp bets . Their right . But they cancel only won bets . All last my pulp bets were voided , only lost pulp bet was settled down , very clever way to make money from them .

Agreed. Sorry, I wasn't clear in my post. All bets should have been canceled. What they did is clearly opportunistic.

[realloque]

i have saved both chats , so if necessary , i can publish . They said generally , that these bets that i won ( totally 5 won bets ) were made on wrong offer , so are cancelled . This one bet that i lost , they said offer was correct , hehehe , cant stop laughing , althought i lost 1000 usd on it .

I repeat again : odds werent moving at all , so for the same reason , that my 5 won bets were voided , this lost bet for sure should be . pinnnacle does this normall , they void all bets , not only won . But it seems this thief bookie not Pinnacle level .

[realloque]

it seems they can do whatever they want . I made a post , made a screenshot , no one seriously interested in this case . This encourages them to continuing their larcenous activity . encourageencourage

[BigOrange]

You are a shot taker betting obvious bad lines. You deserve to be free rolled by the sportsbook.

[Craig22]

You are a shot taker betting obvious bad lines. You deserve to be free rolled by the sportsbook.

The point of betting is to find bad lines and take advantage of it. No one plays to lose.

[BigOrange]

The point of betting is to find bad lines and take advantage of it. No one plays to lose.

You have to be an idiot to play obvious bad lines. All that can happen is that you get free rolled by the book.

It's not like he found a line of -120 vs widely available -135. +9 runs instead of -9 runs is one of his plays here.

[Optional]

The point of betting is to find bad lines and take advantage of it. No one plays to lose.

If you are going to play at offshores, then you should be aware that they consider a player taking an obvious shot at a bad line as trying to "steal" from them, and they will regularly only void the winners afterward.

If you want to try to freeroll a book by betting a "clear pulp", and expecting losing bets to be cancelled afterwards, then offshore is not the place to try it.

[realloque]

i know some idiots here dont understand this issue , so i repeat again :

FIRST TWO BETS I BET WITH NO REASON TO THINK ITS PULP ? DO U GET IT ? OR UR IQ TO LOW , BIGORANGE ???? IF ITS TOO HARD , I GIVE UP .

BTW , i have written to BetOnLine , which is like owner SB , and , magic happened ( it seems they tried to steal , but maybe saw this topic ) ,and u can read their answer , amigos and any other putos :




Hope this email finds you well.


I'd like to apologize for the misunderstanding regarding your claim from October 9th on the NBA Live Game between the Heat and Hornets. The Trader did in fact lose access to the Administrator leaving a bad line available for betting which resulted in wagers being graded No Action. By error Ticket 450633820 was graded as a loss instead of also being graded No Action which I've now refunded to your balance.


Please note MR SUPER AMIGO , it is never our intention to post erroneous lines however in the event this does happen, we ask that you report rather than place wagers as these will be graded No Action.


Thank you for your understanding and again, apologies for the delay is resolving.


Sincerely,


Grant
Sportsbetting.ag

[realloque]

anyway , for me cancelling clear pulp like this + 9,0 on cardinals no problem . But what they did with Heat Hornets its a clear Robbery . I dont say im totally honest . but what im doing its using their errors . pinnacle also makes errors and they dont cancel all the time . But in my case , its not the case i tried to take advantage of bad lines in two first bets . It was just a good middle for me . Sometimes , 3 minutes before the end , Pinnnacle and rest soft differenting 4 points for over under . And what , i need to check if its pullp ? Ask pinnacle by phone ??

[Optional]

i know some idiots here dont understand this issue , so i repeat again :

FIRST TWO BETS I BET WITH NO REASON TO THINK ITS PULP ? DO U GET IT ? OR UR IQ TO LOW

its true , i went for a clear pulp , cardinals were 10 - 0 leading , and SB gave + 9,0 for cardinals .

He's an idiot for agreeing with your post saying that you took a shot??


Anyway, nice to see you got what you wanted. I did not expect that to happen.

[realloque]

" You are a shot taker betting obvious bad lines. You deserve to be free rolled by the sportsbook. "

this is why i call him idiot , understand ? . In any case i dont deserve it .

[realloque]

i dont say playing a clear pupls its a good thing . But , what bookies do everyday its worse . They know abouyt fixed matches and they offer odds . They block money normally , cheat on easy cases , like these mine . I got two other issues with TigerGaming , which i mentioned before . Normal bets , but they tried to steal . So , taking all what i said into consideration , i no any rumorse to hit wrong lines . Any . Robbering a thief its not bad for me . If bookies are totally honest , i would think to stop to shot . What bookies stole my money in last 15 monhts :

18bet : about 5k eur
bethome : about 5k eur
TigerGaming : about 3k eur ( and at least 2 clear tries to rob me )

and i dont rememmber more but im sure i could fint it . NO ANY RUMORSE TO HIT WRONG LINES FOR ME . Thats the end of story . Anyway , im glad they refunded this 1000 usd .

[BigOrange]

" You are a shot taker betting obvious bad lines. You deserve to be free rolled by the sportsbook. "

this is why i call him idiot , understand ? or u also not very consious whats going on . In any case i dont deserve it .

The only people that would not agree 100% with what I said are thieves and shot takers.

[Optional]

" You are a shot taker betting obvious bad lines. You deserve to be free rolled by the sportsbook. "

this is why i call him idiot , understand ? . In any case i dont deserve it .

He is correct.

Sorry you do not agree. But you could learn something here. Betting very obvious errors like that can be problematic at offshore books.

But what does it matter? You got paid. Aren't you happy now?

[realloque]

amigo , next day i go same situation , i dont want to hit pulp , and they cancel . and what i need to do ? its their problem to offer a good lines , not my . Its some kind of joke , that narration here is that i need to check lines before i bet . I know + 9,0 cardinals was a clear shot and i could with clean heart just leave it . But in my case , its not about playing pulps , but normal middles .

if bookies honest , never cancel anything
if im honest , i dont hit clear pulps

so , we both sinners , bad guys , ok , agree .

[Optional]

You're just trying to justify yourself now. At least you were honest about it to start with.

I get it, we all want to grab as much advantage as we can. Just learn a lesson that offshore books are not the place to do this. You will be free rolled most of the time. I'm surprised you only had to ask and they said it was was an error this time.

Just enjoy that good fortune.

[realloque]

no , it wasnt only ask , amigo . On chat i fought long battles . On their mails they got 20 messages . Finally , jsut 1 hour ago , they answered . Maybe because they saw this topic . And theuy know gringos from all over the world come here and check reputation . Pinnacle , at least for me , never do this kind of shiat . But , why they should ? I lost in pinnacle money that u wouldnt believe , so they happy if i won some pulp from time to time , hehe , and in long term i leave in there fortune , that i hardly can resist , when i see how much i donate to them .

[Optional]

Personally I doubt that.

Managers at similar books have said multiple times in the past that they like to see threads like this, as they think they serve as a warning that they won't tolerate shots and deter the people who actively seek errors out.

I was wrong thinking they would not void your loser though. So maybe you're right.

[DontTailMe]

The only people that would not agree 100% with what I said are thieves and shot takers.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with what you say. Players don't "deserve to be freerolled". You say this, and many will agree, because we've been brainwashed by offshore books into thinking that. It's not.

With that being said, we all must be mindful of the environment in which we play. It is what it is, so don't put yourself at risk unnecessarily.

[realloque]

this issue is like a war between two gangsters . Sometimes Gangster A hijacks someone from B`s family , sometimes kills a dog . Sometimes B spits on A on a street or shoot at leg . And now u dont judge A , no word about him , but u only say : B is gangster , he should be jailed , he bad guy . Thats exactly what u say above . Its funny , but not good at all .

[RedApples]

You got really lucky to get paid. They are generally not so good at following disputes like this. I think the only thing that saved you is that you had a Cancel before you Loss. Had you not placed the O/U wager before placing the +18.5, there is little way you could prove to them that the bet that came after that shouldn't have been graded.

So whilst you got away this time, know that in the future if you take a shot like this, they might very well get away with taking the shot back at you. You are certainly playing with fire if you have a betting history that shows you to have an understanding of what you're betting on. While I agree with you that it is is the Sportsbook sole responsibility to put out good lines, that doesn't mean that we have the right to knowingly take advantage of them. That is you trying to steal. You're right that by cheating you they would be stealing. But I wouldn't act like you are on some higher ground because they put out a price and you decided to accept it. You seem to get this anyways but decide to use it however it fits you best.

[realloque]

My English not very stronk btw .

1 . I agree with all u said , RedBananas . I dont feel i make a good thing when i shot + 9,0 on Cardinals , when they winning 10 - 0 . Its a clear , 100 % hit on clear pulp and its wrong .



2 . But tell me , amigo , what u would do in that cases ( real issues , not some imaginary ) :
a ) golden state vs atlanta ( nba , prematch odds 1,06 vs 13,00 , match in golden state ) . And now , all match is being won by atlanta . And we are 3 minutes before the end , and score is 94 - 100 . And now , Stephen Curry wont play more from now . So , all bookies make odds like this ( or about ) : 2,80 - 1,44 . But , Betonline still thinks gsw should win and they big favourite , plus they didnt notice ( but u dont know that they didnt ) that Curry is out . And they make 1,44 - 2,80 . Arbitrage ( surebet ) is like 40 % . And now the real question is : what u do ? If u want to be sure , its not a pulp from bol , u go ask on their chat ? " Hi , my name is Pulp Hiter , i need to know , if current odds being gave from Betonline for gsw vs atlanta are right . Please send me answer " . And they say : " Ok , amigo , we send u answer in the next 24 - 48 hours . Have a nice day " . So i wait and then bet ( hehe ) on the next match on gsw ?
b ) Yankees vs Rockies in new york ( Yankees big favourites before the match ) . And what happens : yankees leads 10 - 0 until the 8 th inning . In 8 th Rockies shot 5 runs , in 9 th also 5 runs , we go overtime . And what happens now : Most bookies are " political correct " and go 1,65 - 2,30 . But , Betonline and some other bookies think : " if last part of the game Rockies massacred Yankees , now they are much favourites " , and they go 2,30 - 1,65 . Its now 15 % arbitrage . Tell me again , what i need to do ??
I tell what should have happened : i bet all bets in Betonline , they NEVER cancell anything . Can u imagine , that i bet and then im worried if this bet is settled down or not ?? it shouldnt happen . When i bet , i like to be sure , if my bet is real bet , or again will be voided . i can agree , if case a ) they make odd 100 for gsw , or in case b ) they make 8,00 odd for yankees , ok , its a clear 100 % pulp . But in situations i gave u before , the case is not that they are 100 % pulps . In fact in case b ) , there is no pulp .



3 . Now i can tell u how some bookies work . U see in this topic what SportsBetting tried to do . Clear 100 % robbery , not doubt . U see ? I mentioned here about TigerGaming , how they stole my money and how they tried to steal another 4000 usd . Clear cases , normal bets , but they try to steal anyway . So now , from what some " geniuses " said before here , i need to be 100 % honest to bookies that are clear thiefs ? Its a joke ? Amigo , i tell u , if i have the occasion to rob 100 k eur from 18 bet ( for example they have error in system and i can withdraw 100 k eur from them , although i should have 0 on account ) i go steal . Because for example 18 bet is the biggest thief ever , and no idea how its still working . They all workers from 18bet should be sentenced to some long years in jail . So now , u say : u cheater , realloque , if u rob 18bet . Ok , maybe im , but i dont feel i make a bad thing , and no any rumorse .



4 . Btw , for me betting is like game . Im opponent of bookies , they want to win my money , i want to make them landing on street and being rich like a Trump . In this game , i need to take advantage of their errors , and they try to cheat me ( offer odds on fixed matches , publishing some stupid informations , like this , that Pinnacle welcome all winners , yes , after i won some months some stupid 10 k euros , they limited me , im playing in asianconnect , so yes , they limit , maybe they dont limit only big losers ( in fact im big loser ) , but last month i got some big plus )) . So now , like some said above here , i need to be 100 % honest , and they can do whatever they want ? btw please notice , that i bet on their offer , they responsible for their offer . I dont force them to make pulps , i dont have any influence on what they doing .



5 . Taking all into consideration , i think its hard to say its wrong to hit clear pulps , because its like cheating cheater . if mother of 5 kids come to me and rob me , because she no money , i dont call police , and i give her more money , to make her life good . Although she is a robber . But for me she dont do anything wrong . I choose playing all bets i can see as a good occasion for me . And i expect a bookmaker is a honest : he can void clear pulp , but he cant do like Sportsbetting did in my case . And i would prefer if bookies buy a good program to make offer , and not make pulps and then only problems . All their fault , not mine .

[Craig22]

The only people that would not agree 100% with what I said are thieves and shot takers.

You also have to define a bad line. the Patriots +17 instead of -17 I can understand since the implied probability of winning is like 99%. I was referring to a couple point difference in the line vs. the general public consensus.

[realloque]

yes , thats the problem , what is a wrong line . I mentioned in my earlier post , in 2 nd point about 2 cases . They show whats this problem with defining whats pulp .

[Optional]

i think its hard to say its wrong to hit clear pulps , because its like cheating cheater

Then you must agree that, considering you "cheated" them first in this case, then you must also think it is fine for them to cheat you in return?

[realloque]

they cheated my firstly ( it seems u understand but just lie , i repeat ; TWO FIRST BETS WERE ON NORMAL ODDS , GOT NO IDEA IF THE ODDS ARE FROZEN ) and if u refer to my earlier shots , so TG cheated me much before , and other bookies like 18bet , betathome and so on , and my cheating is much better cheating than their cheating , becuse they just steal my money , and im usign their mistakes . No court should jails me , and for their cheating , yes , they should have a problems with law for this what they doing . I see u just on bookie side , since SBR long time never helped anyone . I made already many simple complaint ( under other accounts or just complaints without making here an account ) , even no answer from SBR . So talking to u its like talking to SportsBetting chief . U always will take their side , and if u need , u lie and so on . I never lie and what i have said , was only the truth . I could have hidden all my activity in SportsBetting , but i wanted to all to see what im betting and still they stole my money . Im happy i dont get ban here for talking the truth , which is normal . For example , i asked if Mahomet was a pedophile . ASK ( i know and anyone knows he was , from the hadits and koran ) , and got forever ban for it . So this forum better still than other forums . Im glad .

[Optional]

they cheated my firstly ( it seems u understand but just lie , i repeat ; TWO FIRST BETS WERE ON NORMAL ODDS , GOT NO IDEA IF THE ODDS ARE FROZEN ) and if u refer to my earlier shots , so TG cheated me much before , and other bookies like 18bet , betathome and so on , and my cheating is much better cheating than their cheating , becuse they just steal my money , and im usign their mistakes . No court should jails me , and for their cheating , yes , they should have a problems with law for this what they doing . I see u just on bookie side , since SBR long time never helped anyone . I made already many simple complaint ( under other accounts or just complaints without making here an account ) , even no answer from SBR . So talking to u its like talking to SportsBetting chief . U always will take their side , and if u need , u lie and so on . I never lie and what i have said , was only the truth . I could have hidden all my activity in SportsBetting , but i wanted to all to see what im betting and still they stole my money . Im happy i dont get ban here for talking the truth , which is normal . For example , i asked if Mahomet was a pedophile . ASK ( i know and anyone knows he was , from the hadits and koran ) , and got forever ban for it . So this forum better still than other forums . Im glad .

You claim it is fine for us to cheat if we feel cheated.

It does not matter how many bets you placed not as a cheat. You said yourself you knowingly placed the bad bet.

By your own rules they are now completely allowed to try and cheat you.


You made those rules!!

I do not agree with you about that. But hey, you say I am a liar and that you think it is fine. So who am I to argue...