[craftbrewer]

Does anyone have an idea why besides serious books' accounts like pinnacle, sbobet, maxbet etc the agent premiumtradings offer 18bet and babibet accounts? Premiumtradings claim 18bet and babibet don't limit successful players which I can hardly believe. I thought babibet and 18bet are only for recreational players. Moreover, I've read a few threads about babibet in this forum where players had problems with this bookie. So why does a serious agent like premiumtradings provide access to 18bet and babibet?

[Alfa1234]

Yes they offer them, no they don't limit. They simply start "refusing bets" if they don't like your action. Only sharp players have that problem though. Why wouldn't they offer them? Because a "few playes have had problems with them"? I can find "a few players" that have had problems with SBobet and Maxbet as well. Should they simply stop offering accounts at a bookie because some random players may have had a problem?

[lonnie55]

Still did not hear about serious problems with 18bet. Babibet has a different owner, 1bet has the old owner of 18bet. As far as I remember some issues were about bonus abuse in connection with the use of a VPN.

I'm a long-time user of 18bet. My last deposit is more than a year ago, I've made 4-digit withdrawals every month sind then. Not one withdrawal took more than 24 hours. Still not limited, but yes they have this issue with refusing bets. However, it's an issue I can deal with given that they offer a wide range of betting markets, even on lower level leagues, proposition bets, early markets copied from b365 and sometimes even from 1xbet. This is their USP. There is not one single bookmaker besides 18bet that offers early markets from b365 without limiting.
But I do understand people are annoyed when their bets getting rejected over and over again. Live betting is also a big minus, they sometimes need more than 3 minutes to accept a bet. This is inacceptable.

I guess there are two sides to every coin, right? Overall I don't want to miss them. 18bet is something like a hybrid between a soft and an Asian book and definitely has its right to exist.

They simply start "refusing bets" if they don't like your action. Only sharp players have that problem though.

I believe this is a general issue equally affecting all the players, not sharps only.

[Alfa1234]

Still did not hear about serious problems with 18bet. Babibet has a different owner, 1bet has the old owner of 18bet. As far as I remember some issues were about bonus abuse in connection with the use of a VPN.

I'm a long-time user of 18bet. My last deposit is more than a year ago, I've made 4-digit withdrawals every month sind then. Not one withdrawal took more than 24 hours. Still not limited, but yes they have this issue with refusing bets. However, it's an issue I can deal with given that they offer a wide range of betting markets, even on lower level leagues, proposition bets, early markets copied from b365 and sometimes even from 1xbet. This is their USP. There is not one single bookmaker besides 18bet that offers early markets from b365 without limiting.
But I do understand people are annoyed when their bets getting rejected over and over again. Live betting is also a big minus, they sometimes need more than 3 minutes to accept a bet. This is inacceptable.

I guess there are two sides to every coin, right? Overall I don't want to miss them. 18bet is something like a hybrid between a soft and an Asian book and definitely has its right to exist.



I believe this is a general issue equally affecting all the players, not sharps only.

You mean when they start refusing bets, they still accept the occasional bets? I simply thought this way their was of limiting an account and once they started doing that, you would not be able to get another bet on.

[craftbrewer]

Do they refuse bets immediately after you have placed them? Hopefully they don't void settled bets like Singbet?

[Alfa1234]

That would be voiding, they don't void. They simply don't accept the bet. It's pending for a little while and then it's either accepted or rejected.

[lonnie55]

You mean when they start refusing bets, they still accept the occasional bets?

Yes, they reject about 10-20% of my bets. My feeling is that earlier days it was even worse. Last month I could place 113 bets, around 20 have been rejected.

Do they refuse bets immediately after you have placed them? Hopefully they don't void settled bets like Singbet?

As Alfa said, they do not even accept it. It always takes like 30 to 60 seconds until they either accept or reject a bet ("odds changed").

It's very rare they void a bet BEFORE the start of an event. It only happens in case of clear bad lines. Then you will be informed through internal messages and email. But they never voided a bet AFTER the match had been finished unlike Singbet.

[Alfie White]

"serious agent" - by this you mean "agent who stole around €150k" from the player as they made mistake to take position on him?

18bet and babibet are joke books and only want losing customers. Only speaks even more about PT and their business...

[Alfa1234]

"serious agent" - by this you mean "agent who stole around €150k" from the player as they made mistake to take position on him?

18bet and babibet are joke books and only want losing customers. Only speaks even more about PT and their business...

Here we go again...that thread is very long, with winded explanations about what happened and if you take your blindfold off you would admit that guy is no saint himself either. I've been using PT for a long time and they have always paid me within an hour or 2, same goes for all their other clients.

[Alfie White]

I would avoid betting with the agent that, after that "long thread" introduced this rule in their T&C:

"Unless otherwise is defined, a customer, either registered directly to Premiumtradings service or via intermediate agent, can win up to EUR50,000 (or equivalent in other currencies) per day or EUR250,000 per week, all according to the sportsbook time zone, in any of the betting accounts (excluding Skype/Tool betting and exchanges). Any additional winning amount will be redeemed by the company."

More than glad that you don't have issues with them, but this "blacklists" them for me and I would avoid them even more now with 18bet and babibet personal limited - "only want losers" accounts.

[lonnie55]

18bet and babibet are joke books and only want losing customers.

Why do you think so? What's your experience with them?

[craftbrewer]

Is it possible that premiumtradings and 18bet are owned by the same company? Two reasons make me think so. The first reason is that premiumtradings is the only agent that offers 18bet accounts. None of other reliable agents like asianconnect, sportmarket etc offer 18bet accounts. The second reason is that premiumtradings and 18bet offer the same service on their web sites- so called "betting tutorial".

[lonnie55]

None of other reliable agents like asianconnect, sportmarket etc offer 18bet accounts.

Sportmarket offered 18bet a while ago

[sarkami]

"serious agent" - by this you mean "agent who stole around €150k" from the player as they made mistake to take position on him?

yes, because of this unsolved problem with premium tradings (~150k from turkish customer, suddenly changed their t&c, deleted threads in arbusersforum (pt corporate with arbusersforum etc)) i see other agents over pt too: in all these years i never heard of any problems with Asianconnect and betibc.

[Alfie White]

18bet was featured on SM, that is correct - I've won quite a bit with them as their odds were not as sharp. Can be that they are not into "sharp" action thus the short period they've been on the platform (think some other molly agent had them).

From what I know, babi and 18 are clones (same provider, may even be same shareholders). 18bet leaving agents software only means they are not into sharp action and that summed with PTs dodgy actions is enough for me to not even touch them.

Betibc has crazy deposit/withdrawals fees, 5% lol, thank you I would skip them as well (and they collude with accex, so...).

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Babi/18 just copy pinnacle + a few points of juice right? Looked at a few markets, always seemed that way.

[lonnie55]

I guess 18bet is just misconceived. They should not be seen as an Asian book that welcomes sharp players but more as a soft book that does not limit. If they simply removed the markets on which they don't accept bets instead of permanently rejecting bets they probably would have a better image.

After they changed their software last summer I remember how annoyed I was in the beginning whenever they rejected bets under the pretext "odds changed". But after using them for more than a year on a daily basis I do not want to miss them anymore. 18bet is unique. When you preferably bet on lower level leagues you will learn to appreciate this book.

Babi/18 just copy pinnacle + a few points of juice right? Looked at a few markets, always seemed that way.

They copy from other books, too - Singbet, SBO, Pinnacle, bet365, 1xbet - but they don't make own odds.

[Hit superfecta]

PremiumTradings are legal, but also leeches. Of course, there are leeches that act legally in their terms, another thing is the ethics of these. Run away from this agent, an agent is based on trust and honesty, although it sounds utopian.

[Alfa1234]

PremiumTradings are legal, but also leeches. Of course, there are leeches that act legally in their terms, another thing is the ethics of these. Run away from this agent, an agent is based on trust and honesty, although it sounds utopian.

Elaborate please, I have been a customer for many years and they have always treated me with respect and honesty. They have always paid withdrawals promptly as well.

[dealer wins]

Premium tradings are brilliant. A godsend since Pinny left the UK.

[Hit superfecta]

Everything you said is true, and also what I said. These are not opposite terms, you can be a leech and treat with respect and pay promptly as well.

[Alfa1234]

Everything you said is true, and also what I said. These are not opposite terms, you can be a leech and treat with respect and pay promptly as well.

How nice of you to register on a public forum, simply to accuse a company of being leeches and telling people to run away from then...while refusing to give an explanation or reason for your actions. I would call that slander, but that's just me.

[Hit superfecta]

I am registered and follow the forum since a time ago, but I never wrote. I am sorry if I have offended you or you feel defamed/discredited in relation to this company. It's not my intention talk about them anymore, so I'll leave the subject. Whoever wants to try with them, go ahead, or reads their terms before and draw their conclusions. I may be slandering but they are leeches... Although we are also surrounded by these in all areas!

[Optional]

PremiumTradings are legal, but also leeches. Of course, there are leeches that act legally in their terms, another thing is the ethics of these. Run away from this agent, an agent is based on trust and honesty, although it sounds utopian.

Is there a problem with their rules?

[lonnie55]

I am registered and follow the forum since a time ago, but I never wrote. I am sorry if I have offended you or you feel defamed/discredited in relation to this company. It's not my intention talk about them anymore, so I'll leave the subject. Whoever wants to try with them, go ahead, or reads their terms before and draw their conclusions. I may be slandering but they are leeches... Although we are also surrounded by these in all areas!

Tell the people what the problem is or shut up

"read ToS and draw your conclusions" lol

either you know something or you don't

[puckk]

both use the same software
dont need them if u have access to pinnacle, same odds just add more juice - american sports

[dealer wins]

In 5 years time Pinny will bar people in every country in the world the way they are going lol We will all need agents!