[Optional]

Why don't you email and ask for a good will bonus on your next $500 deposit to help make it hurt less.

I could see them agreeing to that. They are human, they will know you don't want to fork over $500 if you don't have to.

It would see them get their $500 and keep you as a customer. If I was them I'd give you 100% bonus with a rollover to do it personally.


There is nothing wrong with the book btw. They are one of the oldest around and solid as as far as payouts. And they didn't try to dick you around or trick you into paying it back. There is no need to be trying to drag them down over it.

[Pareto]

The question here is what would have happened if OP had won his bets? There are two possibilities.

1. SIA pays his winnings minus the missing deposit.
2. SIA declares all winnings void because of the original deposit not being cleared.

I dont know if there is any precedent regarding how SIA handles such a situation ( SBR handles many disputes so its not unlikely they have seen this before?), but I can see from an earlier dispute that Pinnacle has the following rule :

"any deposit that fails to clear will result in all winnings being void." - qoute from the first post in this thread

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...-deposits.html

If we assume that SIA has similar rules as Pinnacle, then the OP had no chance of winning anything. If he won his bets he would be told that his winnings were void. Unless someone can show me that SIA would have paid his winnings if he had won, I would lean toward OP not paying anything.

No deposit was made so therefore no wagers were made.

[Optional]

Good books will look at the account history and if it is a known player making a normal size deposit the normal way and betting as per normal with it, they should just ask the player to fix the deposit before being paid. (Pinny has done that more than once)

But if it is a new player and isn't that clear, most books will not pay out on a declined ewallet deposit. As too many people play games with them.

[KVB]

Why don't you email and ask for a good will bonus on your next $500 deposit to help make it hurt less.

I could see them agreeing to that. They are human, they will know you don't want to fork over $500 if you don't have to.

It would see them get their $500 and keep you as a customer. If I was them I'd give you 100% bonus with a rollover to do it personally.


There is nothing wrong with the book btw. They are one of the oldest around and solid as as far as payouts. And they didn't try to dick you around or trick you into paying it back. There is no need to be trying to drag them down over it.

I disagree with this post in total if we don't see evidence that delays in confirming banking information is a normal process and commonly done after money is wagered from the account.

With that proof that first step would be to never use that deposit method again. In this day and age it's not necessary to have those delays.

Also, even with proof I would not encourage furthering a relationship with this book. They would be exploiting the deposit method to free roll.

Even if you worked it all out, got a free money and could bet with no problems ever again, I would still avoid the book.

Some of the risk management methods are sinister and I don't consider that very professional.

[KVB]

It goes back to violating one of the oldest rules in the book...

Honor your wagers.

They should not have taken the bets if the they didn't confirm the money. This should be industry wide but of course we know it's the exact opposite. Wagering and account cashier need to communicate.

This thread is just another example. We've seen so many over the last 20 years.

[Optional]

I disagree with this post in total if we don't see evidence that delays in confirming banking information is a normal process and commonly done after money is wagered from the account.

With that proof that first step would be to never use that deposit method again. In this day and age it's not necessary to have those delays.

Also, even with proof I would not encourage furthering a relationship with this book. They would be exploiting the deposit method to free roll.

Even if you worked it all out, got a free money and could bet with no problems ever again, I would still avoid the book.

Some of the risk management methods are sinister and I don't consider that very professional.

Do you know much about Instadebit KVB? It's commonly abused in just this way.

It's funded from check account and takes a day to actually take the funds out of the account. If the user empties the account in that time, it gets reversed. Same with Paypal instant bank load in Canada.

I've even heard this story about accidentally giving the wrong bank account number once or twice before too.

[KVB]

I get that Opti.

That's why I suggested avoiding that deposit method and avoiding books that using that method that also exploit the free roll that goes along with it.

If you take a bet, honor it. If the policy is to negate wagers if the deposit falls through then that is a policy that allows them to accept a wager, but not have to honor it.

In most cases, that is most cases, the circumstances don't matter. Honor the bet.

It's nefarious and I wouldn't do business with them.

[juvunits]

I disagree with this post in total if we don't see evidence that delays in confirming banking information is a normal process and commonly done after money is wagered from the account.

With that proof that first step would be to never use that deposit method again. In this day and age it's not necessary to have those delays.

Also, even with proof I would not encourage furthering a relationship with this book. They would be exploiting the deposit method to free roll.

Even if you worked it all out, got a free money and could bet with no problems ever again, I would still avoid the book.

Some of the risk management methods are sinister and I don't consider that very professional.

Exactly. I am going to avoid the book. Now if I do win money betting there again. They are going to do the same thing to me like I am doing to them. They are going to take their sweet time paying me.

[juvunits]

It goes back to violating one of the oldest rules in the book...

Honor your wagers.

They should not have taken the bets if the they didn't confirm the money. This should be industry wide but of course we know it's the exact opposite. Wagering and account cashier need to communicate.

This thread is just another example. We've seen so many over the last 20 years.

Here I am thinking I'm playing with my money but I'm betting air. Your right they shouldn't have taken my bets.

[Optional]

I get that Opti.

That's why I suggested avoiding that deposit method and avoiding books that using that method that also exploit the free roll that goes along with it.

If you take a bet, honor it. If the policy is to negate wagers if the deposit falls through then that is a policy that allows them to accept a wager, but not have to honor it.

In most cases, that is most cases, the circumstances don't matter. Honor the bet.

It's nefarious and I wouldn't do business with them.

I'm happy to be shown how I am wrong here, but how is it to the books advantage to "freeroll" players with a reversable deposit method?

If they knew ahead of time the deposit had bounced would it not make sense to tell the player immediately and maybe even suspend any more betting until they fixed the problem?

If they hide the info and the player loses, they don't get paid. If the player wins they still don't get paid and the player is angry too. Both options mean losing a customer.

Where exactly is the advantage to the book? How do they "exploit the freeroll" with Instadebit users?

Seriously. I think you are making no sense. I am confused by that. Please try to explain to me what I am missing if you are correct?

[Pareto]

I'm happy to be shown how I am wrong here, but how is it to the books advantage to "freeroll" players with a reversable deposit method?

If they knew ahead of time the deposit had bounced would it not make sense to tell the player immediately and maybe even suspend any more betting until they fixed the problem?

If they hide the info and the player loses, they don't get paid. If the player wins they still don't get paid and the player is angry too. Both options mean losing a customer.

Where exactly is the advantage to the book? How do they "exploit the freeroll" with Instadebit users?

Seriously. I think you are making no sense. I am confused by that. Please try to explain to me what I am missing if you are correct?

They are asking for 500$ even though they wouldnt have payed anything if he had won. That is a freeroll. Why would the book even be asking for any money at all when they never risked anything? That is what doesnt make any sense.

[juvunits]

So anyone know of any books with similar amount of in play as sports Interaction, that is legit and accepts credit card. No bitcoin if possible. I need to find a new book

[acquavallo]

I side with Opti here.

NO ONE has furnished any proof/past evidence of any no pay or even slo pay... only pure speculation they "might not pay".

If SIA has been dishonorable in the past, ok. But if they're honorable, pay up.

If we as a forum condone such tactics, it's going to hurt our reputation & ability to appeal future cases.

[juvunits]

I side with Opti here.

NO ONE has furnished any proof/past evidence of any no pay or even slo pay... only pure speculation they "might not pay".

If SIA has been dishonorable in the past, ok. But if they're honorable, pay up.

If we as a forum condone such tactics, it's going to hurt our reputation & ability to appeal future cases.

They are being dishonest by letting me bet with money that is not there

[Pareto]

@ Acquavallo

The problem is then SIA should also pay out winnings when a person makes a bogus deposit, wins a lot of money and then tries to withdraw. And if they did this it would encourage many people to try and freeroll SIA.

So the best solution is to say if there is no deposit then there are no wagers. That way no one gets freerolled.

[Optional]

@ Acquavallo

The problem is then SIA should also pay out winnings when a person makes a bogus deposit, wins a lot of money and then tries to withdraw. And if they did this it would encourage many people to try and freeroll SIA.

So the best solution is to say if there is no deposit then there are no wagers. That way no one gets freerolled.

I can see the logic in that.

But can also see the logic in not letting someone freeroll them on those losing bets if they want to continue playing there. It's not like they are demanding he resends it. And showed good faith by telling him the situation before he re-deposited and just took it. So still don't see why some dude asking if he should stiff a book or not turned into a bash SIA fest.

[acquavallo]

@juvunits & @pareto:

You could be right, it just seems SIA hasn't done anything wrong, nor would have- "from past history".
If SBR could get involved directly- requesting $500 bonus, would be a win-win for all / juvunits would avoid the hassle of finding / funding other book.

JMHO

[Optional]

@juvunits & @pareto:

You could be right, it just seems SIA hasn't done anything wrong, nor would have- "from past history".
If SBR could get involved directly- requesting $500 bonus, would be a win-win for all / juvunits would avoid the hassle of finding / funding other book.

JMHO

he needs to ask for that himself if he is interested in the idea.

[Pareto]

Im certainly not bashing SIA. I have never played there as they dont accept customers from my country.

And I am all for the concept of "you book the bet you pay the bet", which means OP should pay for the bets he made. But this concept then has to go both ways and the books would have to pay for winning bets on deposits that dont clear, and I am not sure they would like that.

[juvunits]

So anyone know of any books with similar amount of in play as sports Interaction, that is legit and accepts credit card. No bitcoin if possible. I need to find a new book

Other than bet 365

[juvunits]

he needs to ask for that himself if he is interested in the idea.

I'm not really interested because I know that it's going to be some ridiculous rollover and I won't be able to withdraw for a while if I do win. It really depends on the amount of rollover.

[juvunits]

It is a pain finding a new book where you can deposit and withdraw without using bitcoin.

[relaaxx]

seems obvious the op never had any intention of giving up "his" $500. came here looking for sympathy and reasons to back him up on not paying what he owes. an honest person would pay up and not start a thread about it, unless rewarded by the book for paying up when he really doesn't have to pay. no one has to ask what he should do in this circumstance , why ask in the 1st place. makes no sense unless you know you are not doing the right thing anyways, then you want confirmation that others would do the wrong thing also. you want to rob a bank, ask a bank robber if that would be wrong. I'm sure both of you can justify robbing that bank. hopefully he is more honest in other aspects of life. when dealing with sportsbooks , he is a scammer and will do it again.

[juvunits]

seems obvious the op never had any intention of giving up "his" $500. came here looking for sympathy and reasons to back him up on not paying what he owes. an honest person would pay up and not start a thread about it, unless rewarded by the book for paying up when he really doesn't have to pay. no one has to ask what he should do in this circumstance , why ask in the 1st place. makes no sense unless you know you are not doing the right thing anyways, then you want confirmation that others would do the wrong thing also. you want to rob a bank, ask a bank robber if that would be wrong. I'm sure both of you can justify robbing that bank. hopefully he is more honest in other aspects of life. when dealing with sportsbooks , he is a scammer and will do it again.

I asked to see what other ppl would do because I have never been in this situation before. I asked to see if they are going to hound me for the money. I'm not looking for you sympathy. Sympathy for what? That I owe them 500 dollars?

Ya I came on here for reasons to back me up and I found plenty. There are plenty of ppl on here that said they wouldn't pay. There are plenty of ppl on here who are trying to act like nice guys, say that they would pay but in reality if it happened to them they wouldn't.

Of course I'm gonna be dishonest. These assholes were being dishonest with me allowing me to play with money that didn't exist. Don't call me scammer asshole. I didn't do this on purpose. I'm not an expert gambler like you guys. I don't know how this stuff works. Call me a scammer if this was done on purpose.

[KVB]

Opti your post not understanding the advantage the book can or could take here is odd to me. Rethink it.

To be clear, I absolutely believe the $500 should be paid to the book. The OP was intending to wager $500 and did. Unless the intention is different, the $500 is owed.

To be very clear, it doesn't matter whether or not the book has done something wrong in the past or whether or not there is a history of slow pay. The book is exploiting the lag time in the deposit method to free roll the player and is also accepting wagers that they do not intend to honor.

I'm saying I would not do business with groups that behave this way. I was also saying that this is more the norm in the industry than not.

It's tough in that regard but if you're like me, and your outs have outs, then you may be able to afford the luxury of choosing who you do business with; I would choose not to do business with these guys.

That said, I wouldn't rip them off of $500 I intended to gamble with anyway.

[relaaxx]

I asked to see what other ppl would do because I have never been in this situation before. I asked to see if they are going to hound me for the money. I'm not looking for you sympathy. Sympathy for what? That I owe them 500 dollars?

Ya I came on here for reasons to back me up and I found plenty. There are plenty of ppl on here that said they wouldn't pay. There are plenty of ppl on here who are trying to act like nice guys, say that they would pay but in reality if it happened to them they wouldn't.

Of course I'm gonna be dishonest. These assholes were being dishonest with me allowing me to play with money that didn't exist. Don't call me scammer asshole. I didn't do this on purpose. I'm not an expert gambler like you guys. I don't know how this stuff works. Call me a scammer if this was done on purpose.

you have never had a choice between right and wrong?

talking means nothing. it's what people do that counts.

they did nothing. you are scamming them out of $500.

makes no difference what might have happened. if you won or anything else. matters what you do now that you lost $500 in bets and did not pay so they do not collect on bets. that is what happened. yet, they are assholes. I'm an asshole because I call you what you are. you are scamming them out of $500. period. I knew it would go this way from your 1st post. every other post of yours just affirmed what I thought. find that book that takes cc. been around long enough to know what a charge back is.

[juvunits]

you have never had a choice between right and wrong?

talking means nothing. it's what people do that counts.

they did nothing. you are scamming them out of $500.

makes no difference what might have happened. if you won or anything else. matters what you do now that you lost $500 in bets and did not pay so they do not collect on bets. that is what happened. yet, they are assholes. I'm an asshole because I call you what you are. you are scamming them out of $500. period. I knew it would go this way from your 1st post. every other post of yours just affirmed what I thought. find that book that takes cc. been around long enough to know what a charge back is.

What's a charge back smart guy

[juvunits]

you have never had a choice between right and wrong?

talking means nothing. it's what people do that counts.

they did nothing. you are scamming them out of $500.

makes no difference what might have happened. if you won or anything else. matters what you do now that you lost $500 in bets and did not pay so they do not collect on bets. that is what happened. yet, they are assholes. I'm an asshole because I call you what you are. you are scamming them out of $500. period. I knew it would go this way from your 1st post. every other post of yours just affirmed what I thought. find that book that takes cc. been around long enough to know what a charge back is.

What if I made one 500 dollar bet and won it on the first day that I deposited and I wanted to withdraw? Would they pay me? No they wouldn't because they still hadn't even attempted to pull the money from my bank account. They would not honour my bets so I will not honour them

[acquavallo]

What if I made one 500 dollar bet and won it on the first day that I deposited and I wanted to withdraw? Would they pay me? No they wouldn't because they still hadn't even attempted to pull the money from my bank account. They would not honour my bets so I will not honour them

Are you sure? What if you're wrong on this?

[juvunits]

You want to know how dumb sports Interaction is? I self excluded myself from the site and the said nothing

[dlowilly]

This is kind of a silly analogy but have you guys seen the movie Kingpin?

He goes to that rich guy's mansion to bowl for money and bets 1000 a game, but all he has is $100 folded around a bunch of blank paper. The rich guy loses, but when he sees it was a dishonest deal and he could not have won he is of coursed pissed and wants his money back.

That seems to me like the situation here. If OP pays the $500 he is honoring a bet made with someone who was never going to pay him. Even if the OP was being dishonest and trying to game the system hoping they would pay, he still shouldn't pay that $500 IMO.

I agree with KVB that one should honor their bets, but it takes two to make a bet. Only one person was gambling here if he pays that $500.

[dlowilly]

You want to know how dumb sports Interaction is? I self excluded myself from the site and the said nothing

They are a joke book

I've heard about and seen some ridiculous, almost trolling behavior towards players.

[Cookie Monster]

In perspective, the real problem is the double standard the books use when receiving and sending money.

When you deposit, the books immediately credit the money, allowing you to burn bet it as soon as possible. No need to check your identity or even check if the money goes thru. They knew that most players bust their deposits, and the books can void your action if there was any problem with the deposit, in the remote case you end winning.

OTOH, when the player wants to withdraw money, the books get fuzzy. No matter the deposit was fine and you won your bets fair, so it is undeniably your money. Now you must prove that the phone and address you signed with are still valid, even if you have moved. And send them a photo of yourself with a current passport, even if you have not left the country in years. And beware if there is any inconsistency or even delay a few days to provide the documents required, it would raise a flag and require more paperwork. Even if you provide everything as requested, your withdrawal could take weeks to get processed.

I understand how business work, and also the need to prevent fraud. But still I think the books are hypocritical being so lax when getting money and so stringent when sending it.

[juvunits]

They are a joke book

I've heard about and seen some ridiculous, almost trolling behavior towards players.

They didn't even say anything. It's like they don't care so why should i

[dlowilly]

In perspective, the real problem is the double standard the books use when receiving and sending money.

When you deposit, the books immediately credit the money, allowing you to burn bet it as soon as possible. No need to check your identity or even check if the money goes thru. They knew that most players bust their deposits, and the books can void your action if there was any problem with the deposit, in the remote case you end winning.

OTOH, when the player wants to withdraw money, the books get fuzzy. No matter the deposit was fine and you won your bets fair, so it is undeniably your money. Now you must prove that the phone and address you signed with are still valid, even if you have moved. And send them a photo of yourself with a current passport, even if you have not left the country in years. And beware if there is any inconsistency or even delay a few days to provide the documents required, it would raise a flag and require more paperwork. Even if you provide everything as requested, your withdrawal could take weeks to get processed.

I understand how business work, and also the need to prevent fraud. But still I think the books are hypocritical being so lax when getting money and so stringent when sending it.

All of this is true, but the real head scratcher here IMO is they expect him to send them $500