[Warin West]

I've used SBR since before 5Dimes even existed.
And when Americans were no longer able to bet with Pinnacle and The Greek, I turned to SBR for advice and they recommended 5Dimes.

What a joke that has turned out to be.

Two days ago I looked over the 5Dimes MLB lines I downloaded and lo and behold it said wagering was "suspended".
I immediately logged into SBR to see what was wrong at 5Dimes.

No one had anything to say about 5Dimes, which I thought was strange.
So then I did some searching on Google. Lo and behold, the message was not a general message to all bettors on 5Dimes, it was directed at me.

Turns out this has happened in the past. Unbelievably, 5Dimes does not want you to record their lines UNLESS YOU'RE BETTING. Hmmmmm. You read that right.

So those of you who might actually want to wait a week for the MLB to get underway before you bet, you're fresh out of luck. 5Dimes does NOT want you calculating line changes, trends and power stats.

5Dimes is interested in DEGENERATES ONLY.

It's my fault, really. Last year when they locked us all out due to some "security improvements", I should have bailed out then. What company makes such changes without first notifying their patrons that it's about to happen?

And now today, I read that SBR has Pinnacle in 4th position, that's crazy. There's absolutely NO way that 5Dimes is better than Pinnacle.

Never did I have the petty hassles that I'm currently having at 5Dimes. In fact, it looks to me like they're trying to come up with a justification to steal my money. You see, I bet all last MLB season every day and only lost about $130 dollars. They're not making any real money off me. So now they simply want to take it.

Currently, I'm waiting to talk to Tony, like I have nothing better to do, right?
I NEVER went through so much petty bullcrap with any other sportsbook either in Vegas or online.

Earth to SBR, 5Dimes is NOT #1. And the fact that SBR says they are undermines any confidence I used to have in SBR.

[Drydin]

Currently, I'm waiting to talk to Tony]

Please post Conversation , those things always hilarious!!!

[Warin West]

Well, since you asked . . .

You're absolutely right. I finally got on the chat with the infamous, Tony. It went something like this . . .

Tony: greetings

Me: greetings

(At this point I'm thinking . . . what's all the fuss about Tony? He seems pretty level-headed to me)

Tony: so how did you get here?

Me: I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean how was it that I picked 5Dimes?

Tony: How'd you get to me. I'm the last one. If you get to me you're usually gone.

Me: OK

Tony: So what did you do that got you here?

Me: Actually, I don't know . . .

Tony: OK, then you're gone. Go to customer service for your money.

Me: So you're not even going to tell me what I supposedly did wrong?

Tony: You're a shitfucktard

(Ah, so THERE'S the Tony that everybody talks about. But I was already mentally prepared . . .)

Me: LOL, You're a rat-faced Jew. See ya!

________________________________________ _________________________


That's pretty much how it went.

Have to tell you, I appreciate your attitude. Because the whole thing IS funny, actually.

5Dimes is NOT the best sportsbook out there.
Sadly, the best ones aren't taking American money. I know there are ways to cheat that but I'd rather not.

I suspect the REAL reason they threw me out is that 5Dimes caters to DEGENERATES and each year I've been losing consistently less. Based on my trajectory, this year would have been my first winning year on 5Dimes. So you see how they work . . . You start winning - You're gone.

Which means that sportsbetting is really a FRAUD and most of the people on here who claim to be winners are either liars or shills.

I had a phone conversation with the late Bob McCune one Saturday. I asked him, whether when you start winning, books throw you out. He said, the good ones won't throw you out. But they'll make you bet early.

I'm moving to Bookmaker and we shall see whether Bob was right. Supposedly, Bookmaker makes large payouts and doesn't reject winners. All I know is that I've been doing this a long time. I'm starting to get things right. And the proof is that 5Dimes threw me out BUT THEY COULDN'T SAY WHY.

Tony called me names in an effort to distract me from the plain logic.
FACT: When given an opportunity to make their case against me, 5Dimes FAILED TO ACCUSE ME OF ANYTHING.
If we had been in court I would have immediately motioned for summary judgment.
Once it's been established that you're not accused of anything, you're not guilty BY DEFAULT.
End of story.

So be advised sports bettors:
5DIMES IS FOR DEGENERATES ONLY!

And it is certainly NOT #1


As for me . . .
I'll survive.

[turbobets]

I suspect the REAL reason they threw me out is that 5Dimes caters to DEGENERATES and each year I've been losing consistently less. Based on my trajectory, this year would have been my first winning year on 5Dimes. So you see how they work . . . You start winning - You're gone.

I doubt you were booted because you might have had your 1st winning year. They probably don't want people who regularly login, take up bandwidth but havn't wagered recently.

[ikid2groove415]

I've used SBR since before 5Dimes even existed.
And when Americans were no longer able to bet with Pinnacle and The Greek, I turned to SBR for advice and they recommended 5Dimes.

What a joke that has turned out to be.

Two days ago I looked over the 5Dimes MLB lines I downloaded and lo and behold it said wagering was "suspended".
I immediately logged into SBR to see what was wrong at 5Dimes.

No one had anything to say about 5Dimes, which I thought was strange.
So then I did some searching on Google. Lo and behold, the message was not a general message to all bettors on 5Dimes, it was directed at me.

Turns out this has happened in the past. Unbelievably, 5Dimes does not want you to record their lines UNLESS YOU'RE BETTING. Hmmmmm. You read that right.

So those of you who might actually want to wait a week for the MLB to get underway before you bet, you're fresh out of luck. 5Dimes does NOT want you calculating line changes, trends and power stats.

5Dimes is interested in DEGENERATES ONLY.

It's my fault, really. Last year when they locked us all out due to some "security improvements", I should have bailed out then. What company makes such changes without first notifying their patrons that it's about to happen?

And now today, I read that SBR has Pinnacle in 4th position, that's crazy. There's absolutely NO way that 5Dimes is better than Pinnacle.

Never did I have the petty hassles that I'm currently having at 5Dimes. In fact, it looks to me like they're trying to come up with a justification to steal my money. You see, I bet all last MLB season every day and only lost about $130 dollars. They're not making any real money off me. So now they simply want to take it.

Currently, I'm waiting to talk to Tony, like I have nothing better to do, right?
I NEVER went through so much petty bullcrap with any other sportsbook either in Vegas or online.

Earth to SBR, 5Dimes is NOT #1. And the fact that SBR says they are undermines any confidence I used to have in SBR.

If you ran a casino/sportsbook you would welcome someone that keeps winning ? It’s common sense they don’t want your buisness to lose money - go else where

[Barrakuda]

I've used SBR since before 5Dimes even existed.

5 Dimes has been around since 1998, so...

[Barrakuda]

I doubt you were booted because you might have had your 1st winning year. They probably don't want people who regularly login, take up bandwidth but havn't wagered recently.

[flyingcarbs]

I've used SBR since before 5Dimes even existed.
And when Americans were no longer able to bet with Pinnacle and The Greek, I turned to SBR for advice and they recommended 5Dimes.

Currently, I'm waiting to talk to Tony, like I have nothing better to do, right?
I NEVER went through so much petty bullcrap with any other sportsbook either in Vegas or online.

Earth to SBR, 5Dimes is NOT #1. And the fact that SBR says they are undermines any confidence I used to have in SBR.

You pointed out the issue at hand - US bettors don't have anything to pick from due to lobbying and puritanical laws against gambling.

5Dimes is like a convenience store for people in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. It's trash, youll get ripped off, and the shop owner is a pompous jackass with a napoleon complex (Lil' Dick Tony) but its the only store within 100 miles so you're SOL.

Like I said before, once sports betting is legalized widespread, chop shops like 5D will have to stop penetrating players or lose a good amount of business.

[flyingcarbs]

If you ran a casino/sportsbook you would welcome someone that keeps winning ? It’s common sense they don’t want your buisness to lose money - go else where

Casinos love showing big winners off, it generates publicity and the amount of folks that it brings in offsets the winning players by a large margin. If they're booting legit winners because it's killing their bottom line, well then they need to re-evaluate how they run their book.

[jjgold]

Tony is a great man and takes no non sense from jive talkers
5 Dimes is the best in the business

No books want inactive accounts

[Optional]

They have been shutting off people who login a lot with no betting for a little while now.

Not exactly sure why but usually you just have to talk to CS and they tell you and you say you will start betting and it is re-enabled.

Did you end up in an argument with the CS operator and get referred to Tony?

[shocka1212]

I place about 4 or 5 bets a week at this point.... at the aforementioned book above... not only for degens.. its clear why they threw you out. people download lines, cross reference them into systems to tell which are sharp. Books want no part of that nonsense. Not telling you what to do, but if you don't like being sized up, imagine how the book feels.

[relaaxx]

I would always rather side with players than books. sometimes you just can't. 7 posts. around since before 5dimes existed. went something like this,instead of copy,paste.. Join Date: 04-16-16.

[Microphone]

I would always rather side with players than books. sometimes you just can't. 7 posts. around since before 5dimes existed. went something like this,instead of copy,paste.. Join Date: 04-16-16.

I look at the these thread titles then set the O/U on posts at 4.5. Have to side with the book here too.

[Warin West]

I doubt . . .

Looks like an opinion to me.

They probably don't want people who regularly login, take up bandwidth but havn't wagered recently.

I neither mentioned bandwidth nor betting frequency. Therefore, at best, YOU'RE A SHILL who knows more than you're letting on.

Please cite me the 5Dimes house rules posted on the website regarding bandwidth and betting frequency. You made a claim, now back that sh*t up.

[Warin West]

5 Dimes has been around since 1998, so...

I've been betting on sports for money since 1983.
And when I was betting at The Greek, 5Dimes did not exist.

So . . .

[Warin West]

If you ran a casino/sportsbook you would welcome someone that keeps winning ? It’s common sense they don’t want your buisness to lose money - go else where

I know it involves actual work, but maybe you would be better off reading the whole text before you open your mouth.

As I said, back in the late 80s I agreed with your point of view. AND AS I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, the late Bob McCune said otherwise. To add a point, what he said is that a shrewd sportsbook welcomes a consistent winner because it helps them to fine tune their line. SO LONG AS that winner bets early, so the bookmaker can incorporate that into his line.

Your analysis is crude. But then again, so is Tony. I'm sure what you suggest is on the level that 5Dimes is on.

[Warin West]

You pointed out the issue at hand - US bettors don't have anything to pick from due to lobbying and puritanical laws against gambling.

5Dimes is like a convenience store for people in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. It's trash, youll get ripped off, and the shop owner is a pompous jackass with a napoleon complex (Lil' Dick Tony) but its the only store within 100 miles so you're SOL.

Like I said before, once sports betting is legalized widespread, chop shops like 5D will have to stop penetrating players or lose a good amount of business.

Hey man, I REALLY do appreciate you.
As you can tell, we have a certain amount of SHILL COMMENTATORS on this thread.
Nevertheless, you have managed to keep it real.

Yes, we're stuck.
I very much enjoyed my time at The Greek.
And Pinnacle wasn't bad either, although their MLB lines were REALLY sharp. Like a razor, sharp.

My real concern at this point is, (and I'm not sweating it but still), how in the HELL can SBR list 5Dimes as NUMBER ONE ???? This HAS to be a payoff. Which is such a shame, because in the old days of fly by night books SBR recommendations were pretty solid.

It was SBR that turned me on to The Greek as well as Pinnacle.
So SBR is now covertly claiming that over the years 5Dimes has surpassed those other books ???
Excuse me for laughing.

Does anybody know any other book that has an infamous "Tony"-type character?
No
Just 5Dimes.

So the real issue is WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SBR?

I'll tell you ONE thing that's happened.
If you do a whois search of the owners, you can't find them.
THEY'RE HIDDEN

Why is SBR hiding?
I could answer my own question but then they would take this thread down, claiming "Hate speech".
SBR IS HIDING.
They don't want to take any legal heat for recommending some of the worst books available.

I have to go now and attempt to collect my money from 5Dimes.
This should be fun

[Warin West]

Tony is a great man and takes no non sense from jive talkers
5 Dimes is the best in the business

No books want inactive accounts

Hey everybody!
Take note: If you're not a total degenerate and wait a couple of days while you're collecting stats before you bet into the MLB, you're "AN INACTIVE ACCOUNT."



SHILL

[yahoonino]

5 dime the best book out there,,,,im been betting with 5d 11 years now never had any problem,,,

[xKMACKx]

I deal with four books, yes Pinnacle and The Greek exceed 5Dimes. Been with them all 10ish years. Never had to contact customer support for anything with Pinny and The Greek, payouts same day.

5Dimes tried jerking me around with a baseball total, opened at 9 everywhere, I took the OVER at 9. Next day they say the real line is 9.5 in any event SBR handled it for me and I was awarded the win. There was a couple other things, but yes customer service took care of it.

[Warin West]

They have been shutting off people who login a lot with no betting for a little while now.

Not exactly sure why but usually you just have to talk to CS and they tell you and you say you will start betting and it is re-enabled.

You have an interesting point here.
Fact is, once I was blocked and did some research I discovered what you said:
Recently, they've been sweating people over bandwidth. Who knows why.

As for not betting . . .
I only bet MLB and I don't use up any bandwidth until the season starts.

I started my robot downloading the overnight line a few days before the season started to work out any bugs.
Then I actually MISSED the opening day.
Somehow I thought it was the 31st instead of the 29th.

Data-wise I dropped the opening day and back-filled the second day which brought me up to speed.
At that point I was ready to bet.

My indicators told me that the current day was not a good day to bet so I passed.
Sure enough, I was correct and avoided a losing day.
It was right at this point, as I was doing analysis for the next day, when they barred me from getting the line.

My guess is that if we were to look in the 5Dimes House Rules, nowhere would we see any rules about bandwidth.
There have never been any definitive statements that I'm aware of about it.
Which is why I gave Tony the floor to tell me what the hell was going on.
If it was about bandwidth, then I wanted to hear it from him, not guess.

If Tony had said, "Asshole, you're costing me money by using my bandwidth without betting", I would have apologized and that would have been that. I was somewhat shocked and disappointed when he didn't even make a case against me. Imagine going to a court where they find you guilty without even accusing you of a crime.

Did you end up in an argument with the CS operator and get referred to Tony?

Again, it was interesting.
5Dimes has an ODD sense of security.
You cannot go to their website and update your profile.
But then, they stick it to you if you've changed your email address or telephone number.

I used to be a trucker.
So I had no permanent address.
And my email addresses have changed over time.
It's been a nightmare at 5Dimes because they're only set up for the sucker who lives in the same house all his life and never changes anything.

I've kept copies of all of the original paperwork I sent them to open my account. Yet I and the customer service department went around and around. Primarily, because my addresses have changed several times and they're not equipped to handle that.

One customer service person ("Kate") made it her personal mission to send me several emails stating that they were not going to argue with me. AND THEN SHE WOULD PROCEED TO ARGUE. (lol).

It was quite funny actually. Eventually, another CS agent stepped in and acted professionally. I thanked her for that.

[Warin West]

5 dime the best book out there,,,,im been betting with 5d 11 years now never had any problem,,,

I TOTALLY agree:

If you're the type of person who lacks the intellectual capacity to spell "5Dimes" correctly then that's the perfect place for you. More than likely you don't know how to count either.

So how would you even know if you were losing. They LOVE guys like you.

[Warin West]

I deal with four books, yes Pinnacle and The Greek exceed 5Dimes. Been with them all 10ish years. Never had to contact customer support for anything with Pinny and The Greek, payouts same day.

I sure do miss those two. Thanks for that bit of sanity.
And thank God, not everybody on this thread is a troll.

[Warin West]

I would always rather side with players than books. sometimes you just can't. 7 posts. around since before 5dimes existed. went something like this,instead of copy,paste.. Join Date: 04-16-16.

You inside-the-box thinkers are fun to observe.
Yes, the LAST join date of my CURRENT identity is the date you mentioned.

What about my previous username . . . when did HE join?

And how about the one before that?

I've had at least THREE identities on SBR.

Oh, you didn't know that?

Oh . . . I drew outside the lines?
You didn't do your research?
Big f*ckin' surprise there


OBSERVATIONS:

I just looked over your post.
1) You have over three thousand posts but NO AVATAR. That's suspicious . . .
2) You're definitely NOT a winning sport bettor. NO ONE who solely thinks inside the box will EVER be a successful sports bettor. The current field is much too sophisticated for that.

You may have the posts, but certainly not the creds.

[Warin West]

I place about 4 or 5 bets a week at this point.... at the aforementioned book above... not only for degens..

You're ahead several thousands of dollars?

its clear why they threw you out. people download lines, cross reference them into systems to tell which are sharp. Books want no part of that nonsense.

That's a book problem. I keep track of the overnight lines. 5Dimes has an idiosyncratic line. Sometimes their fav is everyone else's dog. You have to keep track of their line if you want a good result at 5Dimes.

Not telling you what to do, but if you don't like being sized up, imagine how the book feels.

Books don't have feelings. It's a business, pal. You're superimposing yourself on reality. YOU have feelings. That's why you're the bettor.

Nevertheless, your sentiments are appreciated.

[Warin West]

I look at the these thread titles then set the O/U on posts at 4.5. Have to side with the book here too.

So if I understand you correctly, TRUTH is predicated upon the number of posts.
Therefore . . .
If Beelzebub makes a thousand posts and Jesus Christ makes five.
Then you side with the bub.

Makes perfect sense . . . after the lobotomy.

[unusialsusp5]

tony doesn't particularly care for line shoppers or whatever you are doing to think you are gaining an edge. you have a right to do it of course but if tony doesn't like it and him being the judge, jury and sets his own execution date for violaters doing this there is nothing you can do. tony is hard but fair and if you have a legitimate gripe with him and he is wrong (seldom) he will abide.

[Optional]

If you want your 5D account back open, wait a couple of days then get back on live chat with Tony and just say you understand the issue and want to start betting when you login.

He does reverse decisions if asked.


No need to let yourself get so bent out of shape over it though. Lots of people have been through the same thing. It's not just about you or anything personal.

[relaaxx]

you are way too defensive. calm down.

[michael777]

you are way too defensive. calm down.

He is just dumb,a classic case of someone who doesn't know and doesn't know that they don't know

[Warin West]

tony doesn't particularly care for line shoppers or whatever you are doing to think you are gaining an edge. you have a right to do it of course but if tony doesn't like it and him being the judge, jury and sets his own execution date for violaters doing this there is nothing you can do. tony is hard but fair and if you have a legitimate gripe with him and he is wrong (seldom) he will abide.

No offense, but I really don't give a damn about Tony. The question remains: How could SBR even remotely give 5Dimes the number 1 spot? You have to be brain-dead not to see the blatant inconsistency in that rating.

As for Tony being "fair" . . .
It's a long-standing rule of jurisprudence and is reflected in the US Constitution.
No one is allowed to be convicted of a charge without the charge being presented to him.
AND that person cannot be convicted without facing his accuser.

Tony's behavior in this case is outside of the universally accepted standard of "fairness" that proceeds him by several generations.
He has a so-called "right" to do whatever he pleases.
And he may be many things.
But he is certainly NOT fair.

[Warin West]

If you want your 5D account back open, wait a couple of days then get back on live chat with Tony and just say you understand the issue and want to start betting when you login.

He does reverse decisions if asked.

Thank you, that's a kind suggestion.
I'm done

I don't need sportsbetting. I'm taking this as a signal from the universe that it's time to get out.

No need to let yourself get so bent out of shape over it though. Lots of people have been through the same thing. It's not just about you or anything personal.

I'm not taking this personally, at all. Go back and read the description of my exchange with Tony. I had fun! When he called me a name, I insulted him right back. And laughed as I did it.

When I was thrown off, I did some research and read how 5Dimes was sweating people over bandwidth.
Here's the thing though - if that's posted on the website in the House Rules, that's one thing.
Just producing it out of thin air is QUITE another.
If he was in this country you could sue him over that, for lack of full disclosure.
He gets away with it only because (seemingly) we can't get to him.

[Warin West]

you are way too defensive. calm down.

Here I thought you were a sportsbettor.
When actually, you're a PhD in psychology.
Not only that, you can read people's minds at a distance and know whether they're relaxed or not.

Boy, with a talent like that, you can make a killing in Vegas.

Let me know how you make out.

[Barrakuda]

OP sounds unstable.