[Optional]

^^^ Rent a windows box in the country you want to be in and use that via a terminal session.

[thechaoz]

Won't they want ID/documentation of proof of residency or they don't really care (or take btc etc?)

I'm curious. I've never explored this side of sports betting. Could lead to better lines and some nice bonuses.

Pm me if you don't want to discuss publicly.

[KVB]

I see.

This is interesting. I may be able convert from needing a network of humans to running much of it myself. Or at least overseeing the action.

This is a good thread, simply expanding with digital can also work now that we can use cryptos to get paid and move money. Before we had to always have a landing spot for KYC rules. This way we can still get KYC requirements when necessary but it's easier to move the money, even directly from the book.

Good stuff.

Opti I may PM you or even ask here a few questions along the way. Are you restricted anywhere? Is a VPN useful for you? I'm guessing yes.

There are books facing the US, but VPN capability is a bonus for us.

[Optional]

Won't they want ID/documentation of proof of residency or they don't really care (or take btc etc?)

I'm curious. I've never explored this side of sports betting. Could lead to better lines and some nice bonuses.

Pm me if you don't want to discuss publicly.

If you signup to Asianconnect88 as a bitcoin Only client, they will not ask your location. And you also should not tell your location. Dont ask, dont tell.

If they do end up requiring ID for some reason. It's fine to give them the USA stuff. Have seen it happen once so far when they were concerned a group of players were not 'real'. That player was cleared and had no problem.


They offer several interfaces to books.

Asianodds.com that covers several Asian books. You don't need a VPN to use this one.

Pinbet88.com that offers Pinnacle odds and 9wickets.com which is a Betfair clone both require use of a VPN.

If you are a large bettor they will place bets for you via Skype.

[KVB]

Won't they want ID/documentation of proof of residency or they don't really care (or take btc etc?)

I'm curious. I've never explored this side of sports betting. Could lead to better lines and some nice bonuses.

Pm me if you don't want to discuss publicly.

Didn't see this post. Yeah, there are still KYC requirements but cryptos have changed that a little bit. I still think it's best to find a way to have KYC requirements met with every book.

When there is trouble with this, I often use betting strategies to decrease a balance in one book and increase at another, effectively moving money at the cost of vig, or even more.

I detailed this a couple of years ago but edited the post the next day.

This shit has backfired more than once and I've ended up with more money in the less friendly book.

[Optional]

Opti I may PM you or even ask here a few questions along the way. Are you restricted anywhere? Is a VPN useful for you? I'm guessing yes.

There are books facing the US, but VPN capability is a bonus for us.

You're welcome and I'll help if I can. But no, I don't have a use for hiding my location for any books I want to use currently from Australia.

When I travel I generally leave a laptop on at home and then connect to it with Team Viewer to avoid issues with being in the USA and wanting to use books.

There is no possible way to detect that and I don't have to deal with proxys/VPN and third parties collecting my info or passing through information that shows it is not just a regular PC on a regular ISP connection.

If I wanted to appear in Europe, I'd rent a cheap server and do the same thing with that probably.

Or have a friend buy a laptop and hook it up for me in their country.

[jjgold]

^^^ Rent a windows box in the country you want to be in and use that via a terminal session.

what the heck is that?

[thechaoz]

If you signup to Asianconnect88 as a bitcoin Only client, they will not ask your location. And you also should not tell your location. Dont ask, dont tell.

If they do end up requiring ID for some reason. It's fine to give them the USA stuff. Have seen it happen once so far when they were concerned a group of players were not 'real'. That player was cleared and had no problem.


They offer several interfaces to books.

Asianodds.com that covers several Asian books. You don't need a VPN to use this one.

Pinbet88.com that offers Pinnacle odds and 9wickets.com which is a Betfair clone both require use of a VPN.

If you are a large bettor they will place bets for you via Skype.

Wow , great information , thanks. I get so stuck in Player's talk I forget there is useful information and people here lol. Great thread

So by "needing to use a VPN", I just need to seem to appear in a country they accept ie;UK/Canada etc. Just examples. Obviously I'm in the USA

[thechaoz]

Didn't see this post. Yeah, there are still KYC requirements but cryptos have changed that a little bit. I still think it's best to find a way to have KYC requirements met with every book.

When there is trouble with this, I often use betting strategies to decrease a balance in one book and increase at another, effectively moving money at the cost of vig, or even more.

I detailed this a couple of years ago but edited the post the next day.



This shit has backfired more than once and I've ended up with more money in the less friendly book.

I'd be curious about meeting the KYCs while betting from a country they don't accept. I know the vig movement with bonus whoring, but I can see how it's done (and unpredicable) with betting.

All these years I thought I was stuck with USA facing books, and not because of technology but because of ID and address verification. UGH.

If you don't feel comfortable I'd be curious about the information in that post you edited and meeting requirements.

[Optional]

what the heck is that?

https://www.google.com/search?q=rent...rver+anonymous

Wow , great information , thanks. I get so stuck in Player's talk I forget there is useful information and people here lol. Great thread

So by "needing to use a VPN", I just need to seem to appear in a country they accept ie;UK/Canada etc. Just examples. Obviously I'm in the USA

Yes basically. Just so a USA IP does not show up in the site logs at pinbet88 or 9wickets. So those particular site operators have no liability.

I'd be curious about meeting the KYCs while betting from a country they don't accept. I know the vig movement with bonus whoring, but I can see how it's done (and unpredicable) with betting.

All these years I thought I was stuck with USA facing books, and not because of technology but because of ID and address verification. UGH.

If you don't feel comfortable I'd be curious about the information in that post you edited and meeting requirements.

Could not help you with fake ID stuff and we don't allow that sort of discussion on the forum anyway.


The stuff I am talking about above is all allowed by the operators or I would not be suggesting it.

[thechaoz]

https://www.google.com/search?q=rent...rver+anonymous



Yes basically. Just so a USA IP does not show up in the site logs at pinbet88 or 9wickets. So those particular site operators have no liability.




Could not help you with fake ID stuff and we don't allow that sort of discussion on the forum anyway.


The stuff I am talking about above is all allowed by the operators or I would not be suggesting it.

Yeah I'm not looking to defraud anyone. I'm trying to be legit as possible, just trying to understand kyc when I'm not actually from those countries?

I'm guessing my real only option is crypto

[jjgold]

fake ID's do not work anymore

85% books use 3rd party verification with REAL DOCS, REAL LIVE SKYPE VERIFICATION AND REAL NUMBERS ON PASSPORTS AND LICENSES

STICK TO those 3rd party places if you do not have real docs

[turbobets]

Do they have an option to display american odds or is it only decimal?

[littlekona]

So I got email back from PIA support they said that they will soon have “whitelist” type platform through an extension on Firefox which will allow you to use different browsers for vpn and non vpn at same time...so example you can use chrome for all non vpn and Firefox for vpn at same time....he said In meantime if I needed look for ones that offer extensions as they are out there but did not tell who they are.....Zenmate seems like a great option based on posters experience......

[jjgold]

tunnelbear is a browser option for chrome

[Optional]

So I got email back from PIA support they said that they will soon have “whitelist” type platform through an extension on Firefox which will allow you to use different browsers for vpn and non vpn at same time...so example you can use chrome for all non vpn and Firefox for vpn at same time....he said In meantime if I needed look for ones that offer extensions as they are out there but did not tell who they are.....Zenmate seems like a great option based on posters experience......

One thing you do need to take into account using this system is that your non-vpn browser can plant cookies that your VPN enabled one can read as well.

You need to clear all cookies before starting, and then make sure you never visit those VPNed sites with the non vpn browser ever again.

This is one of the reasons PIA did not offer it to start with. As many people who want a VPN just want it foolproof and splitting the tunnel opens up several angles like this for people trying to stay completely anonymous.

[jjgold]

those servers in other countries you can rent do you still need a computer in that country?

[Optional]

those servers in other countries you can rent do you still need a computer in that country?

If you get a windows server you just log into it with a terminal program on your own computer and use the server like your local computer.

Windows server edition is a little bit different but still has a desktop and running a browser etc is the same.

Ask the supplier if you can use it this way before ordering. Depending on their setup you may need a dedicated server with admin privileges but some offer a virtual server for really cheap that can do the job too.

[Bsims]

If I was interested in using a VPN to hide my real location from a few sites (like a sportsbook that didn't allow U.S. customers) I would just buy a cheap Windows computer and use it with a VPN exclusively to access the desired site.

[Optional]

JJ, bear in mind that they can see the operating system in their system logs, so they will know you are not on a regular home ISP connection if they look at you closely.

The best way is what I said i use myself, if it possible. Just a laptop left on for you to connect to in the desired country. That's 100% foolproof, can't be detected and nothing looks unusual at all.

[jjgold]

sticking with vpn much easier

[A.M.S.]

Hhmmmm

[littlekona]

One thing you do need to take into account using this system is that your non-vpn browser can plant cookies that your VPN enabled one can read as well.

You need to clear all cookies before starting, and then make sure you never visit those VPNed sites with the non vpn browser ever again.

This is one of the reasons PIA did not offer it to start with. As many people who want a VPN just want it foolproof and splitting the tunnel opens up several angles like this for people trying to stay completely anonymous.

So lets say we both use PIA through germany to access the same book at the same time....would the book see that we are both using same IP or do they have different ones for each user IP address??

[Optional]

So lets say we both use PIA through germany to access the same book at the same time....would the book see that we are both using same IP or do they have different ones for each user IP address??

You'd have to ask PIA but I'd guess they have a bunch of IPs and cycle them.

[littlekona]

You'd have to ask PIA but I'd guess they have a bunch of IPs and cycle them.

I'd hope so...that could lead to some big issues esp if you play poker or get charged with multi accounting...I will ask and report back

[semibluff]

The golden rule with IP use for financial services is:

Bookmark an IP checking website and click on it AFTER you have activated the vpn and BEFORE you click on the site you ultimately want to visit.

There are often times when you'll activate a vpn and select a country only to later find out the IP address the vpn is using ISN'T from that country and is in fact showing as being from a country you specifically didn't want it to show as. You don't want to think you're using a German IP and then find out it shows as being in Turkey. AnonymoX, Zenmate, and Hoxx are probably the best known free IP swap warehouses on the Firefox browser. AnonymoX was forever using IPs that showed as being from somewhere other than they claimed. It also became popular add-on but the people behind it lacked the funds to secure other IP addresses and it became horribly slow. Zenmate is/was vastly better than AnonymoX. It had more location choices and better speed. It had the best Privacy Policy i've seen with an IP warehouse, and believe i've had cause to read it. There are, (supposedly), no logs and they claim to resist LEA data requests. They do have more incorrect IPs than they should but I did contact them at 1 point with a view to buying their Premium Services. However, they took 4 days to acknowledge my email, 4 more days to actually answer it and the answer was generic and unhelpful. Thus I passed on them. Hoxx is the other main IP warehouse. Hoxx has the WORST privacy policy. They log everything and claim to be willing to assist LEAs with any request. That said I see no reports of them assisting in reports of criminal activity - and using a vpn for gambling purposes would be 1 of the most trivial cyber-crimes I could imagine. Personally I like Hoxx. As ever the choice of vpn is with the person using it. Just remember the golden rule. I use...

https://whatismyipaddress.com/

...it's top of my bookmark list, but there are plenty of other sites that do the same thing.

[Alfa1234]

You probably should have mentioned that to start with

Yes, that sounds perfect for bettors!

You are 100% sure that one tab of the same browser can use Zenmate whilst others do not though? For sure?

Missed this. Yes 100%. I've been doing that for years. You can set a different country per tab so simultaneously browse a local news site without VPN, access say Pinnacle from e.g. Austria and access say Betfair from the UK if you want. All in 1 browser with simply different tabs open.

[nymfan99]

JJ, bear in mind that they can see the operating system in their system logs, so they will know you are not on a regular home ISP connection if they look at you closely.

The best way is what I said i use myself, if it possible. Just a laptop left on for you to connect to in the desired country. That's 100% foolproof, can't be detected and nothing looks unusual at all.

what service do you use to VPN into the computer is host country? And can you use mobile device to remote into?

[Optional]

what service do you use to VPN into the computer is host country? And can you use mobile device to remote into?

When I travel to the USA I leave a laptop on at home running Team Viewer so I can access Aussie books. Team Viewer runs on everything.

I can connect to it from PC, tablet or phone and basically operate it like I am at home.

[NoNameForMe]

Be very careful when using VPN's on gambling sites. They can see if you're using a VPN or not, this could trigger them to close your account which they will probably do if you made a nice profit since they hate it to pay you out. They still can get your digital browser fingerprint and identify you, there are many tools to change them completely. You don't need a VPN but a SOCKS5 proxy, it's much better than a VPN. Reason why I said this is I don't want you guys to lose money because I know for sure they'll make a fuss about it.

@optional: renting a box (VPS) is pretty expensive. Some boxes need to be pre configured by the end user.

[semibluff]

Be very careful when using VPN's on gambling sites. They can see if you're using a VPN or not, this could trigger them to close your account which they will probably do if you made a nice profit since they hate it to pay you out. They still can get your digital browser fingerprint and identify you, there are many tools to change them completely. You don't need a VPN but a SOCKS5 proxy, it's much better than a VPN. Reason why I said this is I don't want you guys to lose money because I know for sure they'll make a fuss about it.

@optional: renting a box (VPS) is pretty expensive. Some boxes need to be pre configured by the end user.

You can hide digital fingerprints by disabling flash and java in browsers. There are also add-ons that will effectively do this, (NoScript in Firefox for example). However, most of these will disable key elements on the sites you wish to use. At the very least it limits functionality. If you're that bothered by digital fingerprints you might as well use Tor.

[NoNameForMe]

You can hide digital fingerprints by disabling flash and java in browsers. There are also add-ons that will effectively do this, (NoScript in Firefox for example). However, most of these will disable key elements on the sites you wish to use. At the very least it limits functionality. If you're that bothered by digital fingerprints you might as well use Tor.

That adds even more questions, they can detect it. If you disable Java, Flash, WebRTC it's going to cause a huge red flag. You can spoof them there was an application, you could launch a browser and it would spoof everything like the operating system you're using, the resolution,.

Tor will probably get rejected. Even with Tor they still can get your fingerprint.

[jjgold]

they will know regardless so just hope they do not care

[danshan11]

so many things go into a vpn and it being successful
first off all the major suppliers IPS are well known check your vpn at blocked.com try and go to blocked.com with your vpn
second so many other ways to detect location besides IP
try https://whoer.net/ and see with your vpn on what you are leaking via the popular get your real IP tools ie flash, dns
try dnsleaktest to check if you are leaking
remember you also need to mask your PC or VPS because they have identifiers as well
believe me if they let you use a VPN to get on the book it just means they dont care 98% of the time not that you are getting around it.

[jjgold]

yes every VPN is detectable some do not care though