[sp]

I placed a bet with the scoreline at 17-10 in the Eagles/Panthers game.

Everyone thought it was 17-10, however when the tv came back from an ad break, there had been a flag on the PAT. So the score had never in fact been 17-10, everyone just thought it was, including the bookmaker (the scoreboard on the in-play betting screen had changed to 17-10 before they opened the lines that i bet on)

The score was still actually only 16-10, and changed to 18-10 when they took the option of a 2-point conversion, and were successful.
I believe this bet should have been voided as soon as the one point conversion was taken away off the scoreboard, as per their rule:
"In the case of an obvious error on the posted line, scheduled time, or maximum wager, any wagers will be deemed a "no action" wager, and all money will be credited accordingly."
The correct line was 49.5, which I also bet on and correctly lost, naturally thinking the u48.5 bet would be voided because it was an incorrect line.
So, was it an incorrect line, and should the bet have been voided?

I'd appreciate as many people answering as possible, I'd like to show them that a large majority of people say it is a bad line and that sportsbookreview.com would be back me up, but I'd also rather not try and shame them or damage my relationship with the bookmaker.

I'd also like to note that I was on live chat asking the u48.5 bet to be voided, while the result was still in question, and they said they had to wait on management decision, which wouldn't be possible for another 1/2 hour (by which time the game would be over!)

thanks!

[moojoo]

Should not b voided.

[sp]

thanks moojoo, why's that?

[Alfa1234]

Should not be voided imho either. If the 2-point conversion had failed you would actually have gotten a better line than it was supposed to be. You placed the bet while the score was actually still lower than the scoreboard said.

[sp]

But alfa, if that was the case, don't you think they would have voided the bet and claimed it was an incorrect line? And why would I not accept that decision?
I placed the bet thinking the score was 17-10, and they accepted it, thinking the score was 17-10.
How can the line be a correct line, if it is based on an incorrect score?

[moojoo]

Live score on live betting platform is not written in stone,its just to be used as guide. You really have no case here to make complaint.

[sp]

Hi Moojoo, yes I understand that the score is not set in stone - but the evidence shows that the u48.5 line was for the incorrect scoreline of 17-10, and therefore it was an incorrect line.

The umpires actually awarded the PAT. They said the penalty for the flag would be added to the end of the kick, and the result is a successful conversion. TV then cut to a commercial, and it wasn't until we came back that we found out the decision had been changed.

The line was setup when the game was in an invalid state because of an official error.

BetCris setup a line of 48.5 based on the scoreline of 17-10. I know this, because when the score was changed to 18-10, the line moved to 49.5, which I also bet on. Had they set a line for a 16-10 scoreline, then obviously it would have been 47.5.

Does that change your opinion at all? How can a line based on an incorrect score, not be an incorrect line?

And more importantly, do you really think that if my bet won that they wouldn't have voided my bet?
thanks again

[lonnie55]

I agree with both moojoo's and Alfa's opinion.

1) Actually the player had an advantage because he placed a bet on under points at a time the score was lower than both parties, the bookmaker and the player, were thinking. So actually the line was too low.
2) As moojoo said the score on live betting platform can differ from the official score. Errors can always happen. This term is part of any sportsbook's ToS and it's a fair term IMO
3) You would have lost the bet anyway

@OP: I understand you. It feels like it should be voided but if you think about it and analyse it objectively you had no disadvantage at any time because it was not an "information assymetry". Both you and the bookie had the same information, he made a wrong line based on that information, you made a wrong bet based on the same information. Sure, some bookies might void it but is has not to be necessarily.

[sp]

the worst thing about it is that i was on live chat asking for a decision, and they refused to give me one until after the game was over.

[sp]

Hi Lonnie,

I remind you their rules specifically state:
"In the case of an obvious error on the posted line, scheduled time, or maximum wager, any wagers will be deemed a "no action" wager, and all money will be credited accordingly."

You've admitted yourself it's an obvious wrong line. So how can it not be voided, regardless of who was advantaged or disadvantaged? I have no doubt they would have ended up voiding the bet, had my side won.

[Wohlford]

First instinct:

Do not void.

Live bet made when all parties to the bet had the same information.

Based on what was known and knowable at the time, everything was right.


Second instinct:

What if the penalty had affected the 6-pt TD and not the 1-pt PAT?

[Alfa1234]

Hi Lonnie,

I remind you their rules specifically state:
"In the case of an obvious error on the posted line, scheduled time, or maximum wager, any wagers will be deemed a "no action" wager, and all money will be credited accordingly."

You've admitted yourself it's an obvious wrong line. So how can it not be voided, regardless of who was advantaged or disadvantaged? I have no doubt they would have ended up voiding the bet, had my side won.

This applies more to an "obvious" wrong line (like an under 485 instead of 48.5) than a small mistake like this.

There are hundreds of "wrong lines" like your bet all over the place every day...bookies cannot start randomly voiding them. It would be absolute mayham.

[KVB]

I don't think this be should be voided.

I'm not convinced that the line bet on and accepted was so obviously wrong at that point. There may have been an issue with the actual points when the line was placed, but that itself doesn't make the offered line a bad line.

[moojoo]

When you talk about voided bet. I bet before few weeks Tsonga-Struff +2.5 games first set Struff,and indicator was showing Struff to serve first. So basically he can loose 1 serve and i would be good with possible 4:6. Few minutes after i place bet they started and look Tsonga serve,stupid to say Struff lost 3:6 with 1 lost serve. They didnt wanna void,even tho i was right on live chat.
I didnt contact Sbr since this is local sportsbook,but i was furious. That is obvious bad line imo.

[sp]

"I don't think this be should be voided.

I'm not convinced that the line bet on and accepted was so obviously wrong at that point. There may have been an issue with the actual points when the line was placed, but that itself doesn't make the offered line a bad line.
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KVB I think you've hit the nail on the head.

At the time the bet was taken, we all know what the rules are, so we all should know the possibility that the conversion could be retaken.

And if you think about it, with the score at 16-10, the line is EXACTLY the same, regardless of which option they take. My reasoning for this is that there's a 50-55% chance of successful two point conversion, a high 90% of a 1 point conversion, so either way, the expected value is a scoreline of 17-10, and the line is the same.

I thought the correct line was 49.5, and 48.5 was an incorrect line, but at the time the bet was placed, the correct line really was 48.5 despite the reasons for it being 48.5 being wrong.