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    Golf Matchup Help

    So I placed a large wager on a Round 2 golf matchup, I bet on M. Jones and he was matched up against O. Schniederjans on Bookmaker.

    What happened was that Schniederjans submitted an incorrect scorecard at the end of the round, thus he was disqualified. According to my understanding of golf rules, the score of Schniederjans is in this case effectively infinity. The PGA.com website also does not list a score for Schniederjans Round 2 on their website.

    http://www.pga.com/news/golf-leaderb...ur-leaderboard

    In my opinion this wager should be graded as a win for me due to the DQ of Schniederjans in Round 2, maybe even a push. Schniederjans also tweeted out the reason for his disqualification: https://twitter.com/ollie_gt?lang=en

    Bookmaker customer service is saying that I lost the bet because Schniederjans is only being listed as disqualified because he did not make the cut.

    What do you guys think? What can I do?

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    I think you should email back (not live chat) and ask them to escalate your enquiry to a manager as you are not satisfied with the answer CS gave you about the bet grading.


    Explain that you cannot see any reference to a player being disqualified voiding bets. And you believe as both players teed off, then you have action, and the bet should be graded a winner.




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    I had the same wager - my book says that "A golf round is not official until the player's scorecard is signed at the end of a round. If a player is disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard, the player will be considered withdrawn on the hole with the scoring dispute. All holes completed prior to the scoring discrepancy will count for wagering purposes. If a player is disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard, the player will be considered withdrawn on the hole with the scoring dispute."

    Since Ollie confirmed that he was DQ for signing an incorrect card would not he be considered the loser of the matchup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by claude979 View Post
    I had the same wager - my book says that "A golf round is not official until the player's scorecard is signed at the end of a round. If a player is disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard, the player will be considered withdrawn on the hole with the scoring dispute. All holes completed prior to the scoring discrepancy will count for wagering purposes. If a player is disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard, the player will be considered withdrawn on the hole with the scoring dispute."

    Since Ollie confirmed that he was DQ for signing an incorrect card would not he be considered the loser of the matchup?
    I would need to read the rest of that book's rules to form an opinion.


    In the OP's case, Bookmaker specifically states that players must tee off for action and makes no mention of mid round withdrawal/disqualification.

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    That is the entire rule in regards to a play DQ from the book - my book first graded as a loss, then changed to a win, now has changed back to a loss. I took the player vs. the DQ'ed player. In my mind this is very clearly a win for me since he was DQ for signing an incorrect scorecard after the round - even though it didn't affect his overall score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claude979 View Post
    That is the entire rule in regards to a play DQ from the book - my book first graded as a loss, then changed to a win, now has changed back to a loss. I took the player vs. the DQ'ed player. In my mind this is very clearly a win for me since he was DQ for signing an incorrect scorecard after the round - even though it didn't affect his overall score.
    I can't think of any scenario where you have a losing ticket there.

    It should be either Win or Void.

    Do the same as I said above for Bookmaker. Send an email asking it to be escalated to a manger for review.

    If you can't work it out with them, shoot in an SBR sportsbook complaint form.

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    UPDATE - the book has graded this back in my favor with Schneiderjans listed as the loser of the matchup.
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    What book do you use?
    Quote Originally Posted by claude979 View Post
    UPDATE - the book has graded this back in my favor with Schneiderjans listed as the loser of the matchup.

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    What exactly should I tell Bookmaker, I'm a bit confused about what else I can say?


    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    I can't think of any scenario where you have a losing ticket there.

    It should be either Win or Void.

    Do the same as I said above for Bookmaker. Send an email asking it to be escalated to a manger for review.

    If you can't work it out with them, shoot in an SBR sportsbook complaint form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sobob99 View Post
    What exactly should I tell Bookmaker, I'm a bit confused about what else I can say?

    I think you should email back (not live chat) and ask them to escalate your enquiry to a manager as you are not satisfied with the answer CS gave you about the bet grading.


    Explain that you cannot see any reference to a player being disqualified voiding bets in their golf rules. And that you believe, as both players teed off, then you have action and the bet should be graded a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claude979 View Post
    I had the same wager - my book says that "A golf round is not official until the player's scorecard is signed at the end of a round. If a player is disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard, the player will be considered withdrawn on the hole with the scoring dispute. All holes completed prior to the scoring discrepancy will count for wagering purposes. If a player is disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard, the player will be considered withdrawn on the hole with the scoring dispute."

    Since Ollie confirmed that he was DQ for signing an incorrect card would not he be considered the loser of the matchup?
    they need to change their rule because as it is written your bet should have been voided

    I do agree it should be a win though

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