[DISTROYA]

would like to try some different u.s. friendly books, these limits are driving me insane with 5dimes.

[TheMoneyShot]

BetOnline usually comes out with a 100% Re-Load Bonus during the 1st week of football season. Invitation only with code.

Probably the only highest bonus with a Grade A book that you'll find.... that you don't have to worry about a PO issue.

[Optional]

The book with the biggest bonus might well be the least reliable.

Do you know you can rebet the limit amount as many times as you like at 5Dimes?

[TheMoneyShot]

The book with the biggest bonus might well be the least reliable.

Do you know you can rebet the limit amount as many times as you like at 5Dimes?

Don't know if you're asking me Optional? But typically there aren't any wager restrictions with that promotion. Whatever your normal limits are... you're free to risk the MAX.

[Optional]

I was talking to Distroya. You posted at the same time.

[TheMoneyShot]

I was talking to Distroya. You posted at the same time.

No problem

[fedex11204]

Crsportsbet is offering a 100% cash bonus 12x rollover although I can not vouch for them yet as I'm still waiting a few payouts from them albeit it's still in the 21 business day window.

[fedex11204]

Also betphoenix/betmania offers a 100% cash 16x rollover if you deposit on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

[TheMoneyShot]

Also betphoenix/betmania offers a 100% cash 16x rollover if you deposit on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

Appreciate the post. Rumor has it that betphoenix/betmania reduce your max wager amount when you get hot on your roll. Some people claim it reduces to $250... some claim it can go as low as $50

I don't understand how books are allowed to do this? Don't advertise high bonuses for me to do business with you. Then SBR backs some of these books?

It's like going to purchase a car for 20k.... same model from 2 different dealers... one guy is going to knock off 3k if you pay in cash the other has No bonus offers. You go to the one with the 3k off promotion. Paperwork gets drawn out... you're ready to do the deal... and they say... I'm sorry yours doesn't include a radio... doesn't include a turn signal. A week later... the dealer comes by and steals your tires in the middle of the night.

You can't fu#$ing do that.

[fedex11204]

Appreciate the post. Rumor has it that betphoenix/betmania reduce your max wager amount when you get hot on your roll. Some people claim it reduces to $250... some claim it can go as low as $50

I don't understand how books are allowed to do this? Don't advertise high bonuses for me to do business with you. Then SBR backs some of these books?

It's like going to purchase a car for 20k.... same model from 2 different dealers... one guy is going to knock off 3k if you pay in cash the other has No bonus offers. You go to the one with the 3k off promotion. Paperwork gets drawn out... you're ready to do the deal... and they say... I'm sorry yours doesn't include a radio... doesn't include a turn signal. A week later... the dealer comes by and steals your tires in the middle of the night.

You can't fu#$ing do that.

It's really inexplicable how SBR can back a book limiting a player before he has met his roll (I wonder if BetPhoenix was not a paying advertiser if they still would look away and give credence to these tactics) I will say though that Betphoenix has never limited me although I have never cashed out from them so maybe that's why.

[Optional]

It's really inexplicable how SBR can back a book limiting a player before he has met his roll (I wonder if BetPhoenix was not a paying advertiser if they still would look away and give credence to these tactics) I will say though that Betphoenix has never limited me although I have never cashed out from them so maybe that's why.

Geez you guys spout some rubbish at times.

Where is SBR "backing" Betphoenix, and you know more than me if you are telling me they are some sort of paying sponsor here.


BUT, they are a rec book with big bonuses, well known to limit people to $250, and don't offer any bonus large enough that $250 is an unreasonable limit.

Moneyshot's analogy of buying the car with discount only to find it has no radio or a tire is taken back a week later is a good one though. The way they do it leaves a bad taste in a few peoples mouths. But honestly, as much as it feels bad, apart from that it really isn't an unreasonable limit or different to other books. Just about all are happy to limit you during a bonus if you show a lot of skill.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Not a good time to be looking for bonuses. Betphoenix, AmericasBookie and HRWager are good places for bigger bonuses year round.

They will all limit you and any bonus book that does not limit should be downgraded to D by SBR. If you are worried about limits just deposit at multiple books. You will run out of money before you have to worry about getting down.

[TheMoneyShot]

Geez you guys spout some rubbish at times.

Where is SBR "backing" Betphoenix, and you know more than me if you are telling me they are some sort of paying sponsor here.


BUT, they are a rec book with big bonuses, well known to limit people to $250, and don't offer any bonus large enough that $250 is an unreasonable limit.

Moneyshot's analogy of buying the car with discount only to find it has no radio or a tire is taken back a week later is a good one though. The way they do it leaves a bad taste in a few peoples mouths. But honestly, as much as it feels bad, apart from that it really isn't an unreasonable limit or different to other books. Just about all are happy to limit you during a bonus if you show a lot of skill.

SBR Forum has made some interesting posts about books that limit you later on. It definitely doesn't side with the player. I get it... it's a business etc. Books advertise here.

But let's get this on an even level before this gets out of hand... do you want (us) posters to give these books business or not? Or would you rather us give business to 5D, Heritage, DSI, or Bookmaker? Or all of them? My point is... SBR shouldn't stick up for books that continuously reduce wagering limits on a high bonus offer. DON'T MAKE THE OFFER THEN. DON'T PROMOTE THE DEAL. If some dude gets hot... guess what? It's a part of life. Don't reduce his limits because he's hot. That's 1st grade stuff. And... if SBR continues to promote books that do this... I'm getting to the point in which I don't care to post here anymore. I don't care to renew my Pro Membership.

It's a hard grading scale to say... who is a Professional sports bettor... and who is a Recreational sports bettor. Lay the definitions out somewhere... better yet... make a chart of all these books that SBR supports on high bonuses... but getting your wagers reduced later on.

I could think of at least 2 books that I would of given business too... but I'm not going to play the game of when I log into my acct and my limits are reduced. That's absolutely childish. It's not about a player making a fake acct... and taking advantage of a book. This has ZERO TO DO WITH THAT. This is about a client who has never played at a particular book... wants to jump on an offer... and gets crucified because he's on a hot streak? Well why the F did you take his deposit then in the first place? Why did you take his business?

This isn't a client's fault. This is the books fault. And if SBR continues to condone this behavior... Why post anymore? Why give this place traffic?

So SBR needs to list all of these books that's doing this... put an asterisk next to the book that reads...

* THIS BOOK IS MORE THAN LIKELY TO REDUCE YOUR WAGERING LIMITS ON 75% - 100% BONUS OFFER. DEPOSIT AT YOUR OWN RISK.



DON'T DO THIS...

* THIS BOOK HAS BEEN MOVED FROM A "C" RATING TO A "B" RATING

Are you kidding me right now?

[temple2010]

SBR Forum has made some interesting posts about books that limit you later on. It definitely doesn't side with the player. I get it... it's a business etc. Books advertise here.

But let's get this on an even level before this gets out of hand... do you want (us) posters to give these books business or not? Or would you rather us give business to 5D, Heritage, DSI, or Bookmaker? Or all of them? My point is... SBR shouldn't stick up for books that continuously reduce wagering limits on a high bonus offer. DON'T MAKE THE OFFER THEN. DON'T PROMOTE THE DEAL. If some dude gets hot... guess what? It's a part of life. Don't reduce his limits because he's hot. That's 1st grade stuff. And... if SBR continues to promote books that do this... I'm getting to the point in which I don't care to post here anymore. I don't care to renew my Pro Membership.

It's a hard grading scale to say... who is a Professional sports bettor... and who is a Recreational sports bettor. Lay the definitions out somewhere... better yet... make a chart of all these books that SBR supports on high bonuses... but getting your wagers reduced later on.

I could think of at least 2 books that I would of given business too... but I'm not going to play the game of when I log into my acct and my limits are reduced. That's absolutely childish. It's not about a player making a fake acct... and taking advantage of a book. This has ZERO TO DO WITH THAT. This is about a client who has never played at a particular book... wants to jump on an offer... and gets crucified because he's on a hot streak? Well why the F did you take his deposit then in the first place? Why did you take his business?

This isn't a client's fault. This is the books fault. And if SBR continues to condone this behavior... Why post anymore? Why give this place traffic?

So SBR needs to list all of these books that's doing this... put an asterisk next to the book that reads...

* THIS BOOK IS MORE THAN LIKELY TO REDUCE YOUR WAGERING LIMITS ON 75% - 100% BONUS OFFER. DEPOSIT AT YOUR OWN RISK.



DON'T DO THIS...

* THIS BOOK HAS BEEN MOVED FROM A "C" RATING TO A "B" RATING

Are you kidding me right now?

Well said!! I feel that if they reduce a guy's limit they should also reduce the rollover, that's only fair.

[jjgold]

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[HedgeHog]

Well said!! I feel that if they reduce a guy's limit they should also reduce the rollover, that's only fair.

I agree 100%. Once your betting limit and rollover are established at time of deposit, then it should be a contract. It needs to be honored until the rollover is complete or you bust, whatever comes first.

[Buffalo Nickle]

This thread is pure stupidity. The only reason you guys deposit at these books is because they offer bonuses and if they did not manage their risk they would all be out of business.

Most bonus books go out of business. The only reason BetPhoenix is still around is because they manage risks well.

If a bonus book just allowed you to bet what you wanted, you could just line one up against the other and bet the money over and never lose.

If everything you wanted happened with these books, you'd have a bitch thread about how you can only bet -110 odds and none of the books should have decent ratings.

[BigdaddyQH]

Buffalo is right. You guys have to stop with the off shore book B.S. ANYONE who wagers with an offshore book is just begging to get ripped off. What are you going to do about it? Invade Costa Rica? You losers are always looking for a handout. Just like you are looking for a handout when you use touts. JJ, you are the worst person in here. You are a fraud. Period. End of Statement. You work off a script given to you. For a guy who allegedly hangs in Vegas (funny, no one knows you there), you sure know how to whore yourself for on line books. If you do NOT wager in Vegas (and there are several to do so), you are going to eventually lose your money. It is people like you who put money in my wallet because you are so uneducated and gullible when it comes to wagering. Remember losers, the Offshore books keep SBR in business. Anyone who does not believe that is a fool.

[HedgeHog]

This thread is pure stupidity. The only reason you guys deposit at these books is because they offer bonuses and if they did not manage their risk they would all be out of business.

Most bonus books go out of business. The only reason BetPhoenix is still around is because they manage risks well.

If a bonus book just allowed you to bet what you wanted, you could just line one up against the other and bet the money over and never lose.

If everything you wanted happened with these books, you'd have a bitch thread about how you can only bet -110 odds and none of the books should have decent ratings.

Of course Books should be allowed to manage risk. Huge bonuses with small rollover is a definite red flag. However, the Book should not be unconditionally allowed to cut your limits when you have significant rollover left. That's not fair to the player whose funds are now trapped (good luck churning 20k in rollover with $5 betting limits), unless of course the Book agrees to waive the remaining rollover. In that case, I have no problem with them reducing risk and cutting me loose.

[5918mike]

Buffalo is right. You guys have to stop with the off shore book B.S. ANYONE who wagers with an offshore book is just begging to get ripped off. What are you going to do about it? Invade Costa Rica? You losers are always looking for a handout. Just like you are looking for a handout when you use touts. JJ, you are the worst person in here. You are a fraud. Period. End of Statement. You work off a script given to you. For a guy who allegedly hangs in Vegas (funny, no one knows you there), you sure know how to whore yourself for on line books. If you do NOT wager in Vegas (and there are several to do so), you are going to eventually lose your money. It is people like you who put money in my wallet because you are so uneducated and gullible when it comes to wagering. Remember losers, the Offshore books keep SBR in business. Anyone who does not believe that is a fool.

I'll keep on begging, so far I have yet to get ripped off by a book since 2002 when I started.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Of course Books should be allowed to manage risk. Huge bonuses with small rollover is a definite red flag. However, the Book should not be unconditionally allowed to cut your limits when you have significant rollover left. That's not fair to the player whose funds are now trapped (good luck churning 20k in rollover with $5 betting limits), unless of course the Book agrees to waive the remaining rollover. In that case, I have no problem with them reducing risk and cutting me loose.

People mostly complain about $250 betting limits which are beyond their capacity to gamble for any period of time without losing a ton. Even a $50 betting limit is not that bad and when you get limited, you are only assured of winning. The whole point of it is to get limited.

The books are mostly saving guys from losing it all back and it is a bad strategy for them but I suppose they cannot take the risk of really getting killed.

In any case, if a book gives me free money, I will not complain about the terms and can meet the rollover with almost any betting amount if I am assured of winning. Don't be so greedy that you give it all back. Rinse and repeat.

[Buffalo Nickle]

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[InsiderHer]

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[TheMoneyShot]

This thread is pure stupidity. The only reason you guys deposit at these books is because they offer bonuses and if they did not manage their risk they would all be out of business.

Most bonus books go out of business. The only reason BetPhoenix is still around is because they manage risks well.

If a bonus book just allowed you to bet what you wanted, you could just line one up against the other and bet the money over and never lose.

If everything you wanted happened with these books, you'd have a bitch thread about how you can only bet -110 odds and none of the books should have decent ratings.

Buffalo... you're better than this man.

Think about it this way....

You're running a sportsbook. In fact... you own one. All the big boys have leverage over you... 5D Bookmaker... DSI etc. They've been established for quite some time. How are you going to draw business to your book? You have no other choice but to run a promotion. Substantially large. Why would we even look at you if you didn't run a 75% - 100% Cash or Free play promo?

Then, after a player makes a deposit with your book... he goes 9 out of 10 at $500 a crack and you're going to reduce his limits? Why? What did he do wrong? He won? He got hot? How is that even fair to him? We all know... a player will get hot and cold... it's a part of life. Why on earth would you ruin your book's reputation by limiting him? Hoping word would never get out?

Then the answer to this is... well only "RECREATIONAL PLAYERS ALLOWED?" Please define the term recreational player? What is a professional player? So, because I've been wagering for 18 years of my life... I'm considered a pro? Or... because I have fun wagering 1k a game I'm now considered a pro? The dude could be some cooook and loves to blow money. Is he considered a pro because he loves risking 1k? Or can a guy be considered professional even when he risks only $100 a game? So many variables to rec and pro bettor.

SBR needs to add more literature and reasoning on this. It is extremely vague. SBR needs to go "more in depth" on books that they consider a B- or B on their grading scale about "LARGE PROMO DEPOSITS".

Again... the entire point to this thread or my posts... isn't about stealing a promo away from a book. Has zero to do with this. You (as a book) are enticing me... for my business. Because you want to make $ off of me. That's the entire point. Don't handicap me any further after the initial deposit because you suckered me in and made new rules along the way. That's total BS. And the book should immediately be a "D" on SBR's grading scale. That's some UNDERGROUND/BACK ALLEY BS move. Ask for my $ and then restrict me? You kidding me right now?

BN - Not knocking you man. You're one of my favorite posters here to read from.... but you can't use a book's "Risk Management" as an excuse for this behavior.


Just when I was observing 2017 Superbowl Promotions from several books a few months ago.... Wagerweb.ag was the only book that exclusively told you all the IN'S and OUT's of making a deposit with them with a HIGH PROMO. They told you... hey... we will restrict you. They laid out all the terms. That's proper business. Hats off to them.


But like I said before... I question SBR's grading scale on these so called "B" books. It's upsetting. Disturbing. What kind of client are you looking for? Some jerkoff that has zero clue about the sports wagering world? You're looking for that one a-hole that doesn't know dik about gambling? What is the entire purpose of restricting a client that was 100% offered a high promo in good faith? And your only defense is... well... that client should of never asked for a bonus??? That's a poor excuse for a defense.

I hope SBR rights the ship.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Buffalo... you're better than this man.

Think about it this way....

You're running a sportsbook. In fact... you own one. All the big boys have leverage over you... 5D Bookmaker... DSI etc. They've been established for quite some time. How are you going to draw business to your book? You have no other choice but to run a promotion. Substantially large. Why would we even look at you if you didn't run a 75% - 100% Cash or Free play promo?

Then, after a player makes a deposit with your book... he goes 9 out of 10 at $500 a crack and you're going to reduce his limits? Why? What did he do wrong? He won? He got hot? How is that even fair to him? We all know... a player will get hot and cold... it's a part of life. Why on earth would you ruin your book's reputation by limiting him? Hoping word would never get out?

Then the answer to this is... well only "RECREATIONAL PLAYERS ALLOWED?" Please define the term recreational player? What is a professional player? So, because I've been wagering for 18 years of my life... I'm considered a pro? Or... because I have fun wagering 1k a game I'm now considered a pro? The dude could be some cooook and loves to blow money. Is he considered a pro because he loves risking 1k? Or can a guy be considered professional even when he risks only $100 a game? So many variables to rec and pro bettor.

SBR needs to add more literature and reasoning on this. It is extremely vague. SBR needs to go "more in depth" on books that they consider a B- or B on their grading scale about "LARGE PROMO DEPOSITS".

Again... the entire point to this thread or my posts... isn't about stealing a promo away from a book. Has zero to do with this. You (as a book) are enticing me... for my business. Because you want to make $ off of me. That's the entire point. Don't handicap me any further after the initial deposit because you suckered me in and made new rules along the way. That's total BS. And the book should immediately be a "D" on SBR's grading scale. That's some UNDERGROUND/BACK ALLEY BS move. Ask for my $ and then restrict me? You kidding me right now?

BN - Not knocking you man. You're one of my favorite posters here to read from.... but you can't use a book's "Risk Management" as an excuse for this behavior.


Just when I was observing 2017 Superbowl Promotions from several books a few months ago.... Wagerweb.ag was the only book that exclusively told you all the IN'S and OUT's of making a deposit with them with a HIGH PROMO. They told you... hey... we will restrict you. They laid out all the terms. That's proper business. Hats off to them.


But like I said before... I question SBR's grading scale on these so called "B" books. It's upsetting. Disturbing. What kind of client are you looking for? Some jerkoff that has zero clue about the sports wagering world? You're looking for that one a-hole that doesn't know dik about gambling? What is the entire purpose of restricting a client that was 100% offered a high promo in good faith? And your only defense is... well... that client should of never asked for a bonus??? That's a poor excuse for a defense.

I hope SBR rights the ship.

If you are betting $500 per game, I would say you are not a recreational bettor. That means you have a gambling portfolio of $25,000. That is not that recreational. Although obviously lots of people bet that amount with a lot less. And that's great for a book. They will let them for a while and see how it goes because it is an easy bustout. But if they have some success, they have to put up limits.

When a book gives you a big bonus, they are giving you basically -105 odds. How many books do you know that have stayed in business giving out -105 odds? Bonus books stay in business because they limit the losses.

If you bet $500 and get up on a book, just be glad you got luck and reel it in and take your money. Because as I am sure you know, it all goes away eventually if you keep doing it.

You aren't going to bet more than $250 at a bonus book for any extended period of time. That is just the way they operate. If you don't like it, bet elsewhere. There is no point complaining about something that is not going to change.

Also, the grading scale represents how safe the book is to bet with. Not how much you are going to enjoy the experience. People here want Nitrogen rated A because they like them even though they likely have limited funding.

[temple2010]

People mostly complain about $250 betting limits which are beyond their capacity to gamble for any period of time without losing a ton. Even a $50 betting limit is not that bad and when you get limited, you are only assured of winning. The whole point of it is to get limited.

The books are mostly saving guys from losing it all back and it is a bad strategy for them but I suppose they cannot take the risk of really getting killed.

In any case, if a book gives me free money, I will not complain about the terms and can meet the rollover with almost any betting amount if I am assured of winning. Don't be so greedy that you give it all back. Rinse and repeat.

Worst statement you every wrote, man!! Makes no sense at all.

[DISTROYA]

i like to step out once in a while with large wagers. By no means a pro, steam all that stuff. I couldve bought 1-2 homes with the money I have lost past 2 decades from gambling. So when a big time book like 5dimes reduced alt run line wagers to a paltry 200 bucks, team totals to 100, and full money lines to 1000, I think ive earned the right to complain, albeit to deaf ears they dont care.
I lave lost a huge sum to them over the course of 10-15 years, but the past year and a half i have killed them (not close to make up what i lost to them though).
Its been a rare 2 year run for me being up, I have never been up back to back years in 20 years of degeneracy.
Youd prob say why not bet other books, I do, have other accounts, but 5d usually always has best lines which add up to hundreds a month saved juice-wise.
Heritage still decent allowing 2500 on the run lines and 10k for the games, right now my go to book. Given them quite a chunk of change over the course of ...well since got grandfathered from the greek, shit remember those days?
Yes optional, i can re-bet, but always at a new jacked up line after they do their gay-ass "price being evaluated" bullshit. All they are evaluating is how can we fcuk this guy out of another 10 to 50 cents by changing the line again.

[piterp]

All those words "recreational or professional player or bonus abuser it is only excuse from bookmakers to justify their unfair restriction against players

[Optional]

Yes optional, i can re-bet, but always at a new jacked up line after they do their gay-ass "price being evaluated" bullshit. All they are evaluating is how can we fcuk this guy out of another 10 to 50 cents by changing the line again.

It sounds like you are collared there more than me, but a second limit bet right away does not usually move the line again for me, and if I have the time to wait it resets back to original price after maybe 10 mins usually.

I don't like being collared there to the extent I am either, but really as far as limiting sharps they do at least give options to keep using them to some extent rather than just treat you like a deadly enemy, like way too many books do.

[TheMoneyShot]

If you are betting $500 per game, I would say you are not a recreational bettor. That means you have a gambling portfolio of $25,000. That is not that recreational. Although obviously lots of people bet that amount with a lot less. And that's great for a book. They will let them for a while and see how it goes because it is an easy bustout. But if they have some success, they have to put up limits.

When a book gives you a big bonus, they are giving you basically -105 odds. How many books do you know that have stayed in business giving out -105 odds? Bonus books stay in business because they limit the losses.

If you bet $500 and get up on a book, just be glad you got luck and reel it in and take your money. Because as I am sure you know, it all goes away eventually if you keep doing it.

You aren't going to bet more than $250 at a bonus book for any extended period of time. That is just the way they operate. If you don't like it, bet elsewhere. There is no point complaining about something that is not going to change.

Also, the grading scale represents how safe the book is to bet with. Not how much you are going to enjoy the experience. People here want Nitrogen rated A because they like them even though they likely have limited funding.

I guess I can live with your statement. Apparently rec bettors wager $1.00 - $50.00 for most books? That would be their defense.

Just my final words on this... in regards to high promos. And for newbies in the wagering world.

1. Select a book with a high promo limit (75%-100%)

2. Either email them directly or get them on Live Chat. Ask them... what is the largest wager I can make on this promo? (Keep screen shot of email or Live Chat for your records.)

3. Will you reduce my limits at any time on this rollover? (Keep screen shot of email or Live Chat for your records.)

If they answer yes.... well... you did your homework. If they answer No.... and you have proof they said No... then you have a case against them.

That's the only advice I can give.

Yes, it's time consuming... yes.. it's a pain in the a$$. And honestly... IMO it's not even worth your time dealing with these small books. Funny thing is... they want your business. But they play the "Back Alley/Underground" sh#$ with you. And if they do this to you... why on earth would they pay you if you did win? Exactly. And how does SBR grant them a "B" on the grading scale? Makes no sense.

[Buffalo Nickle]

I guess I can live with your statement. Apparently rec bettors wager $1.00 - $50.00 for most books? That would be their defense.

Their defense is: "It is our book and our software, we can do what we want."

Rec bettors obviously do not bet between $1 and $50 nor do books want them to. That is why they are rec bettors and will stay rec bettors.

I would say if a book is letting you bet between $250 and $50 it is fair game. If they drop you below $50 that is a little rough but probably still more than you should be betting based on the value of your account.

[thomorino]

ndd

[thomorino]

I don't have any problem with a book limiting my action or kicking me out - its your business run it however you want - but I think you want to cut my betting limits than you should have to limit the rollover too otherwise your basically defrauding people out of their money - no one should be asked to complete a 10k rollover with $50 dollar bets.

[Optional]

I guess I can live with your statement. Apparently rec bettors wager $1.00 - $50.00 for most books? That would be their defense.

Just my final words on this... in regards to high promos. And for newbies in the wagering world.

1. Select a book with a high promo limit (75%-100%)

2. Either email them directly or get them on Live Chat. Ask them... what is the largest wager I can make on this promo? (Keep screen shot of email or Live Chat for your records.)

3. Will you reduce my limits at any time on this rollover? (Keep screen shot of email or Live Chat for your records.)

If they answer yes.... well... you did your homework. If they answer No.... and you have proof they said No... then you have a case against them.

That's the only advice I can give.

Yes, it's time consuming... yes.. it's a pain in the a$$. And honestly... IMO it's not even worth your time dealing with these small books. Funny thing is... they want your business. But they play the "Back Alley/Underground" sh#$ with you. And if they do this to you... why on earth would they pay you if you did win? Exactly. And how does SBR grant them a "B" on the grading scale? Makes no sense.

I would not ask the book any questions like that. CS people give the wrong info all the time and books routinely ignore 'proof' like emails from CS or chat session info. Because CS staff can't alter the agreed terms of service.

Just read the terms for yourself properly each time. Probably less time consuming than asking someone too.

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