[arie1985]

Recently I've been noticing so many threads pop up in this forum about bookmakers giving hassles to customers with withdrawals.

Some people here have to literally wait 6-7 weeks (or more) to get a check in the mail and then wait another 1 month to deposit it and let it clear in the bank, whilst some stories here have shown these checks can actually bounce.

Websites like Bet365, William Hill, and even BetFair are giving hard times to their customers (incl. long time customers) and from here the way to lose business is short.

A friend of mine works in William Hill in Tel Aviv, they have a big office there - he told me that recently they had issues making profits from customers ... only very loyal customers are the ones William Hill is relying on.

And on the contrary we have agents - some like AC88 - provide immediate support in Skype, Live Chat that is always always available 24/7 with immediate (or very quick) response. Withdrawals are processed instantly, there are no barriers to deposit and withdraw as much as you'd like ....

So I'm asking my self and you, very seriously - is this going to be the end of bookmakers? How would they compete with agents who ARE actually working around the clock?!

[blackbox]

YES SIR --You nailed it -- hassles everywhere to get a simple payout. Delay after delay or some crazy excuse after another. HERITAGE AND BET 365 have agents all around my area and everything is so simple. The offshore books of the past 5 years are a dying bread. Everyone shood have more attention to BET-JAM AND BET ISLANDS screwing their customers. Myself go to Nevada - and when to get calls from books tell them the truth politely. Not the workers who answer the phones fault-- they take orders drom above. gl all - the US OF A needs to legalize this industry just like they did with the Indian casino throughout the country.

[Optional]

How will these agents survive if the bookmakers are out of business?

[blackbox]

optional-- you are a wise man-- just as they did before--- google pph sites-- go to Florida-hint hint--i will gladly send you a private message with several gentlemen. Take a trip to SA JOSE- YOU CAN GET YOUR SITE-OR A SKIN--YOU CAN USE bit coin-- money orders and you can pay for protection--shoot the da and pd and half the coaches around here wager. Ask Mike B== tired of bounced checks ans being constantly being mislead. IF we cannot trust men like Scoty Johnson from BET-JAM WHO CAN WE TRUST.

At least the Shrink would promise to get you paid up to 5k for a sponsor that hung their banner. And he did it too. And would call small people such as I to tell us money was on its way. gl optional-you got my private pm--hope you listened to the tapes. g; all really.

[arie1985]

How will these agents survive if the bookmakers are out of business?

Only bookmakers that work with agents will survive.
Blackbox is giving you examples of offline agents in the US because gambling is not properly legalized there.

I'm giving you examples for non-US users, like me, who don't need to leave their home or to go the ATM, simply deposit using an online wallet or Bitcoin or a bank transfer and start betting.

In fact in Israel they tried to legalize it too, there is a monopoly called "Winner.co.il", it's one of the worst products ever - they offer you odds of 1.65 on Over/Under in the NBA (where you get it for 1.95 with any other bookmaker), they simply offer ridiculous odds and forcing you to pick minimum 3 selections if you want to submit a betting slip (sometimes they allow singles but again at ridiculous odds - for instance Raonic in the web has odds of 1.50 to win - they will give it to you for 1.20 - it's a joke).....

I personally cannot see myself ever touching this "Winner", it's just not worth it - even if you would pay me to place a bet with this joke I would refuse ...

And that's just an example from here or from Blackbox's example in the US ....

Bottom line: Bookmakers like Pinnacle and SBOBet probably might stop allowing individuals to register and would only take action via agents (because of the hassles of dealing with individuals) - in fact many Asian bookmakers are following this practice - and I like to follow what Asians are doing (which is why I'm also investing in CryptoCoins). It's the future, Asia > US by all means whatsoever, go to Hong Kong and try the subway there, you will be amazed of the technology there, and how you can use Wifi and make phone calls whilst underground as well with no troubles whatsoever.

[Alfa1234]

Your bottom line makes no sense, they already have those support systems in place to deal with individuals. Why would they give up more of their limited margins to agents? On top of that, they have way less control over their clients that way because, as people would hop agents all the time to get a better deal, they would get a new account every time which makes profiling those accounts (this guy is sharp!? -> we'll adjust the odds just a tad more if he makes a big bet) much harder.

[evo34]

optional-- you are a wise man-- just as they did before--- google pph sites-- go to Florida-hint hint--i will gladly send you a private message with several gentlemen. Take a trip to SA JOSE- YOU CAN GET YOUR SITE-OR A SKIN--YOU CAN USE bit coin-- money orders and you can pay for protection--shoot the da and pd and half the coaches around here wager. Ask Mike B== tired of bounced checks ans being constantly being mislead. IF we cannot trust men like Scoty Johnson from BET-JAM WHO CAN WE TRUST.

At least the Shrink would promise to get you paid up to 5k for a sponsor that hung their banner. And he did it too. And would call small people such as I to tell us money was on its way. gl optional-you got my private pm--hope you listened to the tapes. g; all really.

Who got stiffed at BetJamaica?

[arie1985]

Your bottom line makes no sense, they already have those support systems in place to deal with individuals. Why would they give up more of their limited margins to agents? On top of that, they have way less control over their clients that way because, as people would hop agents all the time to get a better deal, they would get a new account every time which makes profiling those accounts (this guy is sharp!? -> we'll adjust the odds just a tad more if he makes a big bet) much harder.

Dealing with individuals can be a hassle unless if you only take deposits via safe methods (e.g. no credit-card etc.)
I was taking an extreme case scenario but I believe the point I made is clear, there is a shift away from regular bookmakers because of all the hassles involved.

[Alfa1234]

Agents cannot even accept credit card deposits because of the high costs/charges involved. Agents will IMHO always remain a very small % of the total market.

Agents can only provide accounts for a very select number of bookmakers that operate on a model that only works for bookies with tremendous volume (automatical adjustement of odds based on bets already taken). Unless huge corporations like Bet365 etc start adopting the same method so they can accept agent clients, agents will never get a big % of the total market. Companies like Bet356 (and Will Hill, Ladbrokes...) have very little incentive to adopt this model for various reasons (that's a different discussion).

I'm sorry, but you are wrong on this one. If there's a shift towards using more agents at all, it's only a tiny, tiny percentage of the market.

[jjgold]

Bitcoin the savior for books

[blackbox]

Agents cannot even accept credit card deposits because of the high costs/charges involved. Agents will IMHO always remain a very small % of the total market.

Agents can only provide accounts for a very select number of bookmakers that operate on a model that only works for bookies with tremendous volume (automatical adjustement of odds based on bets already taken). Unless huge corporations like Bet365 etc start adopting the same method so they can accept agent clients, agents will never get a big % of the total market. Companies like Bet356 (and Will Hill, Ladbrokes...) have very little incentive to adopt this model for various reasons (that's a different discussion).

I'm sorry, but you are wrong on this one. If there's a shift towards using more agents at all, it's only a tiny, tiny percentage of the market.

sorry SIR YOU ASSUME TOO MUCH--my agent takes credit card-- you have a bad agents--and these agents have their contact person. gl to all-just go to Nevada

[blackbox]

sorry SIR YOU ASSUME TOO MUCH--my agent takes credit card-- you have a bad agents--and these agents have their contact person. gl to all-just go to Nevada

YOU ARE WRONG TWICE sir-- bet 365 has agents in the US OF A. GL AL --GO TO NEVADA--The legal state.

[Alfa1234]

I think you have a different view on what I call a betting agent, I'm not talking about some guy getting an affiliate commission for every client they refer.

I will GLADLY take the contact info of your agent and open a Bet365 account with him but I'm fairly sure he will just say "sorry dude, if you can't open a Bet365 account in your own name I can't help you".

[blackbox]

Alfa--1234 you are probably right as you see things or your own experience in life. Good luck to you and all on SBR. I do believe if all things were done as agreed between customers and books it would be a perfect world. Thanks for tour input, and SBR for the right to comment on threads. Again gl to all.

[BrickJames]

Who got stiffed at BetJamaica?

Exactly