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    Betcris incredibly increased juice in-play tennis ??? (game win)

    hello guys!
    I've just had a look today at betcris tennis prices (in play),and... waouh !!! I can't believe what i see! tell me if i'm wrong but up to now margin/juice was nearly 5 %, wasn't it ? I know they already had increased their juice sometimes in the past (something like 8%), but at the end they always had come back to about 5%, which is correct margin. But today what i see is just unbelievable !?: they increased their margin to 12 % !!! Is that serious? Who's gonna use their lines with so big margin? Their prices are ridiculous ! that's not for all markets. For what i can see today that only concerns their "game win " market. At the moment for instance player A 1,40 / player B 2,50 ! Is that serious??
    I hardly believe they increased their margin to 12 % and i'm wondering if that may be a particular restriction on my account? Could you please have a look at a tennis match in play on betcris (anymatch you want) and tell me what margin you see on "game win " market??

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    What match? I dont see any live tennis matches active right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    What match? I dont see any live tennis matches active right now
    Pliskova was playing at the moment i wrote my post optionnal, but that ended. But Sasnovich / Giorgi will start in a short moment, could you have a look for me please so that i compare?

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    1st game sasnovich / giorgi: 2.47 / 1.42 . 11%margin. that 's a bit better lol

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    game 2 : 1.54 / 2.12 ...That's confirmed: a disastrous 12 % margin

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    2 matches I see at the moment


    3.94% in this one



    And 3.88% in this one




    Whats your math for coming up with 11%?

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    Sorry i think you didn't read my whole message Optionnal: i precised that concerned only a precise market: "game win". For example who's gonna win game 5? game 6?...
    Could you check for that market please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    2 matches I see at the moment


    3.94% in this one



    And 3.88% in this one




    Whats your math for coming up with 11%?
    Sorry i think you didn't read my whole message Optionnal: i precised that concerned only a precise market: "game win". For example who's gonna win game 5? game 6?...
    Could you check for that market please?

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    Oh I read it all.

    Just typing the margin in the player to win the next game has increased from 8% to11% would have been more clear and 150 less words.

    Anyway... thanks for the heads up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Oh I read it all.

    Just typing the margin in the player to win the next game has increased from 8% to11% would have been more clear and 150 less words.

    Anyway... thanks for the heads up.
    You're right i could have done "shorter" lol. But i was so astonished seing that.. In fact margin didn't increase from 8 to 11% optionnal, that increased from 5 to 11% in a day as i said ! yesterday lines were 1.9 / 1.9. They're now 1.8 / 1.8 ?!? just unbelievable.

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    That is a bigger difference.

    I can only guess the live betting operator was being hammered on that market and would like less action.

    I'll link your thread to the tennis forum to help others notice.

    Again, thanks for pointing it out.

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    Big juice is to protect their action from pros, not nesseserly to get more $$$Mayby someone hit them hard
    Why the hell you use bookies and their sick margin instead of using betfair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maletaja View Post
    Big juice is to protect their action from pros, not nesseserly to get more $$$Mayby someone hit them hard
    Why the hell you use bookies and their sick margin instead of using betfair?
    Why?? LOL. Simply because some bookmakers propose some types of bets that betfair doesn't offer unfortunately ! Have you ever seen betfair proposing "game win" market (in-play tennis), for example "who will win game 5 of set1 / game 6..."?? you've got the answer to your question.

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    mmm... very surprising from Betcris indeed... I can understand they may have been hit hard on that market, but in that case, if they want to protect themselves, they should rather stop proposing that market/type of bets, because proposing it with such ridiculous prices is not acceptable from a top bookmaker like betcris.

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    They increased them however within the next month or so they should be as tight as ever. Hang in there benji.

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    There is always more juice inplay

    Look at Pinnacle, they have the best offplay odds, but take big margins inplay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingmosquito View Post
    There is always more juice inplay

    Look at Pinnacle, they have the best offplay odds, but take big margins inplay.
    Betfair probably has the best in play margins

    lots of liquidity though on many events

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Betfair probably has the best in play margins

    lots of liquidity though on many events
    Can't agree more
    I would not bet inplay anywhere else
    On big markets at Betfair, you will get 1.50 vs 3.00 which means no margin on odds, only the commission but which is low enough.
    That is a big advantage over any other bookie.

    I won't count the likes of 1xbet and marathon who sometimes set wrong odds but will limit you quickly, they are not serious companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingmosquito View Post
    Can't agree more
    I would not bet inplay anywhere else
    On big markets at Betfair, you will get 1.50 vs 3.00 which means no margin on odds, only the commission but which is low enough.
    That is a big advantage over any other bookie.

    I won't count the likes of 1xbet and marathon who sometimes set wrong odds but will limit you quickly, they are not serious companies.
    And what if you bet other markets besides moneyline (tennis) ?
    Betfair has no propositions on markets like "to win a game", or "Total games" etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by nasdaq View Post
    And what if you bet other markets besides moneyline (tennis) ?
    Betfair has no propositions on markets like "to win a game", or "Total games" etc
    Indeed, so Betfair is not for everyone. I usually stick to ML.

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