[Lily Blackwell]

Err... yes you were. Let's get it back onto the subject of that $4k they apparently stiffed you for. As I said, put in an SBR complaint if this supposed $4k really exists, or stop going on about it as you're really starting to get extremely boring now. It's a very simple choice.

The subject of this thread is Hollywood Sportsbook not me luctens.

[bigdaddy1]

come on guys take it easy. arent we supposed to be all on the same side ?? luctens, give the guy a break. all he is doing is sharing a bad experirnce with a sportsbook where he took a 4k hit keeping other players aware of it. nothing wrong with that right luctens???

[luctens]

come on guys take it easy. arent we supposed to be all on the same side ?? luctens, give the guy a break. all he is doing is sharing a bad experirnce with a sportsbook where he took a 4k hit keeping other players aware of it. nothing wrong with that right luctens???

The guy isn't just sharing a bad experience, they're spamming everybody with it with the amount of times they are going on about it, everybody's got the message, they don't need to be told over and over.

And all I've done is said that are owed $4k then they need to submit an SBR complaint to get the money back, something that the guy has been strangely reluctant to do which leads me to believe that the guy has something to hide.

This guy has supposedly been stiffed for $4k but not raised an SBR complaint and every time they've been challenged to actually raise an SBR complaint if they are actually telling the truth, they've changed the subject onto something else and they've never challenged me when I've questioned whether what they're saying is a pack of lies.

So we have a person that is supposedly owed $4k, refuses to submit an SBR complaint and doesn't defend themselves and just changes the subject when somebody questions whether they are telling the truth.

That leads me to believe that there is a high chance that this "$4k" that they are "owed", is a complete pack of lies.

I'm most definitely not on the same side as a person spamming the forum with a highly probable complete pack of lies.

[Lily Blackwell]

The guy isn't just sharing a bad experience, they're spamming everybody with it with the amount of times they are going on about it, everybody's got the message, they don't need to be told over and over.

And all I've done is said that are owed $4k then they need to submit an SBR complaint to get the money back, something that the guy has been strangely reluctant to do which leads me to believe that the guy has something to hide.

This guy has supposedly been stiffed for $4k but not raised an SBR complaint and every time they've been challenged to actually raise an SBR complaint if they are actually telling the truth, they've changed the subject onto something else and they've never challenged me when I've questioned whether what they're saying is a pack of lies.

So we have a person that is supposedly owed $4k, refuses to submit an SBR complaint and doesn't defend themselves and just changes the subject when somebody questions whether they are telling the truth.

That leads me to believe that there is a high chance that this "$4k" that they are "owed", is a complete pack of lies.

I'm most definitely not on the same side as a person spamming the forum with a highly probable complete pack of lies.

I'm not a guy.

[luctens]

I'm not a guy.

Who cares whether you are a guy, girl, transsexual or whatever you want to be. If that's the only lame comeback you have and you aren't challenging me when I'm saying that you are telling porkies, then that just re-enforces what you have been saying about the imaginary "$4k" that you are "owed" as a complete pack of lies.

[bigdaddy1]

well luctens ive filed a complaint with sbr about a sportsbook many months ago...has brought me absolutly nothing so far!!!!many your judging a little to quickly shouldnt you give the benefit of the doubt first,gather the facts and then form an opinion?just asking?

[HedgeHog]

well luctens ive filed a complaint with sbr about a sportsbook many months ago...has brought me absolutly nothing so far!!!!many your judging a little to quickly shouldnt you give the benefit of the doubt first,gather the facts and then form an opinion?just asking?

How do we gather the facts if Lily won't share them? I truly want her to tell her side.
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[Lily Blackwell]

How do we gather the facts if Lily won't share them? I truly want her to tell her side.
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If I go into more detail about my situation even though that is not what this thread is about will you send me an invite code HedgeHog?
Why do I always have to answer all your questions as mine go unanswered? That's not how forums are suppose to work.

[Optional]

How do we gather the facts if Lily won't share them? I truly want her to tell her side.
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I'd like to hear it too, whether Lily wishes to submit a complaint or not.

I'd mostly just like to have some idea if the claim is bona fide.

[luctens]

well luctens ive filed a complaint with sbr about a sportsbook many months ago...has brought me absolutly nothing so far!!!!many your judging a little to quickly shouldnt you give the benefit of the doubt first,gather the facts and then form an opinion?just asking?

These are the facts we have:

This person is saying they are owed $4k but hasn't bothered to submit an SBR complaint. I've on multiple times challenged them on that and said that they should submit an SBR complaint. They've refused to do that and just keeps trying to change the subject.

I've on multiple times said that what they're saying is a complete pack of lies and they've not defended themselves once and they again tried to change the subject.

We are still left with this phantom $4k that the person that says they were owed isn't bothered enough about to submit an SBR complaint to get it resolved. For those reasons it is clear that this person's claim that they are owed $4k by Hollywood Sportsbook is not true.

[Optional]

If I go into more detail about my situation even though that is not what this thread is about will you send me an invite code HedgeHog?
Why do I always have to answer all your questions as mine go unanswered? That's not how forums are suppose to work.

What question have you asked that needs an answer?

You've sent me PMs asking why I won't help you but I genuinely have no idea what you mean. I've offered to help sort out your claim against Hollywood and been flatly ignored.

If I can help you I will. But really have no idea what you want. You seem to just want to call people names, beg over and over again for a Northbet invite despite being asked not to, and fight with everyone here.

The Industry sub-forum isn't the place for these sort of antics. We are trying to keep threads in here just a little more on topic and professional than the average forum if possible. I've asked nicely a couple of times by PM. Please just go post in Players Talk instead if you want to continue as you have been. It's all fine in there.

[luctens]

If I go into more detail about my situation even though that is not what this thread is about will you send me an invite code HedgeHog?
Why do I always have to answer all your questions as mine go unanswered? That's not how forums are suppose to work.

Is that an invite code for Northbet you're asking for? Jesus Christ get a life and stop with this boring obsession. Play with a proper bookmaker for goodness sake.

[HedgeHog]

If I go into more detail about my situation even though that is not what this thread is about will you send me an invite code HedgeHog?
Why do I always have to answer all your questions as mine go unanswered? That's not how forums are suppose to work.

It's a Hollywood thread so your response would be appropriate. What's not appropriate is stating a Book stole from you and not providing details. This is how a forum is supposed to work.

[Lily Blackwell]

Is that an invite code for Northbet you're asking for? Jesus Christ get a life and stop with this boring obsession. Play with a proper bookmaker for goodness sake.

Why are you acting like it's not a proper sportsbook. Have you ran into any problems with them?

[bigdaddy1]

well lily, hedgehog,luctens and optional bring up some very good points!!!however if you dont mind i have a question hoping one of you guys can answer...ive submit according to me a very legit complaint of a specific sportsbook months ago with no concrete updates from sbr(agent) on whats happening with the case...sbr hasent even posted a thread about it or at least havent seen it....why do you think that is????? please keep in mind im fairly new to this forum.

[Lily Blackwell]

It's a Hollywood thread so your response would be appropriate. What's not appropriate is stating a Book stole from you and not providing details. This is how a forum is supposed to work.

I havnt provided details because I didn't want to get into specifics about me and just warn of a fraudulent site so someone else wouldn't make a mistake like I did. All I said.

[Lily Blackwell]

well lily, hedgehog,luctens and optional bring up some very good points!!!however if you dont mind i have a question hoping one of you guys can answer...ive submit according to me a very legit complaint of a specific sportsbook months ago with no concrete updates from sbr(agent) on whats happening with the case...sbr hasent even posted a thread about it or at least havent seen it....why do you think that is????? please keep in mind im fairly new to this forum.

They are probably too busy arguing with me for bringing up my own bad personal experience in a thread about a D rated sportsbook that they are defending wanting specifics about me.

[HedgeHog]

I havnt provided details because I didn't want to get into specifics about me and just warn of a fraudulent site so someone else wouldn't make a mistake like I did. All I said.

Then it's just slander.

[Optional]

well lily, hedgehog,luctens and optional bring up some very good points!!!however if you dont mind i have a question hoping one of you guys can answer...ive submit according to me a very legit complaint of a specific sportsbook months ago with no concrete updates from sbr(agent) on whats happening with the case...sbr hasent even posted a thread about it or at least havent seen it....why do you think that is????? please keep in mind im fairly new to this forum.

Geez Bigdaddy. Being frustrated over the situation is understandable but I think the reason SBR has not gone to town based on your case has been explained multiple times. Do you really want me to explain it in public again? I actually do believe you but in order to reply I would again have to explain the opposite side which is not a great look for you in public with other people not knowing as much as you and I do.

Plus, your case is still open. There may come a time when Betjaco finally decide it is in their interest to address yours better. Any new cases come up against them, yours will be broached as well. They wont be left to just forget it if they want to interact with SBR ongoing.

[Lily Blackwell]

What question have you asked that needs an answer?

You've sent me PMs asking why I won't help you but I genuinely have no idea what you mean. I've offered to help sort out your claim against Hollywood and been flatly ignored.

If I can help you I will. But really have no idea what you want. You seem to just want to call people names, beg over and over again for a Northbet invite despite being asked not to, and fight with everyone here.

The Industry sub-forum isn't the place for these sort of antics. We are trying to keep threads in here just a little more on topic and professional than the average forum if possible. I've asked nicely a couple of times by PM. Please just go post in Players Talk instead if you want to continue as you have been. It's all fine in there.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...mous-ways.html

Here you are answering this person's questions but when I asked for something a week ago you banned me for going out of my way and working hard getting the word out in hopes to receive an answer on a sports betting forum. Fair enough and lesson learned, but funny you treat me like I'm a bad person for doing that but you answer in that thread provided instantaneously.

[Lily Blackwell]

Then it's just slander.

If slander prevents someone first depositing at a D rated book that even you said takes "FOREVER" to payout and how you don't even like to play there anymore. So be it Hedgehog!

[bigdaddy1]

Geez Bigdaddy. Being frustrated over the situation is understandable but I think the reason SBR has not gone to town based on your case has been explained multiple times. Do you really want me to explain it in public again? I actually do believe you but in order to reply I would again have to explain the opposite side which is not a great look for you in public with other people not knowing as much as you and I do.

Plus, your case is still open. There may come a time when Betjaco finally decide it is in their interest to address yours better. Any new cases come up against them, yours will be broached as well. They wont be left to just forget it if they want to interact with SBR ongoing.

optional, you sound like a stand up person just like myself. frustrted? absolutly, however one thing has nothing to do with the other.if my complaint is legetimit why is the sportsbook still not exposed to protect other players? if youre refering to those false accusttions about me you know very well that they are bogus i have sent enough hard evidence to eliminate all those doubts!!as far as the public is concerned i have nothing to hide because im telling the truth!!! the reason im not getting paid is because they know they have nothing to gain from me anymore vs the small complaints they are taking care of VERY SLOWLY!!!!!!!!!

[bigdaddy1]

Geez Bigdaddy. Being frustrated over the situation is understandable but I think the reason SBR has not gone to town based on your case has been explained multiple times. Do you really want me to explain it in public again? I actually do believe you but in order to reply I would again have to explain the opposite side which is not a great look for you in public with other people not knowing as much as you and I do.

Plus, your case is still open. There may come a time when Betjaco finally decide it is in their interest to address yours better. Any new cases come up against them, yours will be broached as well. They wont be left to just forget it if they want to interact with SBR ongoing.

i was only asking a fair qestion i think on why so much time had past without getting an update thats all. btw if memory servse me correct you actually had the same thought.

[HedgeHog]

If slander prevents someone first depositing at a D rated book that even you said takes "FOREVER" to payout and how you don't even like to play there anymore. So be it Hedgehog!

So you're ok lying about getting stiffed. Got it, case closed.

[luctens]

Why are you acting like it's not a proper sportsbook. Have you ran into any problems with them?

There are only 3-4 bookmakers in the USA facing market that are proper bookmakers where you have absolutely nothing to worry about with the security of your funds and the reputation and reliability of the bookmaker that has been tried and tested year after year after year.

Northbet most definitely is not one of those proper bookmakers. I most certainly haven't had any problems with Northbet because I've never played there and the reason I've never played there is that I've done my research of the USA market and I know the very few bookmakers that can be trusted and in terms of the USA facing market, those bookmakers are the only ones I play at. There is no reason to play at a bookmaker like Northbet over and above the top USA facing bookmakers.

[luctens]

If slander prevents someone first depositing at a D rated book that even you said takes "FOREVER" to payout and how you don't even like to play there anymore. So be it Hedgehog!

At last the real truth comes out. The $4k has turned into dust. Go and dream up some other made up story, but this time go and spam some other forum with it. Or even better, go and get a life.

[Lily Blackwell]

So you're ok lying about getting stiffed. Got it, case closed.

How does that make me a lier by not releasing private information? I'm glad I'm not on trial in your courtroom. Way to not reply in the other thread I owned you in too:
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...hought-p2.html

[Optional]

They are probably too busy arguing with me for bringing up my own bad personal experience in a thread about a D rated sportsbook that they are defending wanting specifics about me.

It does not matter what rating the book has. If someone comes here and starts bashing them with no backup information then it will be questioned. Plenty of other forums you can go bash any book you like without being fair. Just not here.

If we had ever seen other reports of people being no-payed by Hollywood it would be much less of an issue. But you are making a claim that just does not ring true, so it's fair and normal to want a bit more detail when you insist on posting the allegation like it's fact, multiple times, over multiple days.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...mous-ways.html

Here you are answering this person's questions but when I asked for something a week ago you banned me for going out of my way and working hard getting the word out in hopes to receive an answer on a sports betting forum. Fair enough and lesson learned, but funny you treat me like I'm a bad person for doing that but you answer in that thread provided instantaneously.

I am not sure what your problem is with what I said or did in that thread

I gave you a 24 hour timeout as after I deleted maybe 10 of your posts and had asked you nicely not to re-post your Northbet invite request in multiple threads, you kept doing it and then sent me PMs claiming I was trying to bully you and it was personal. You obviously didnt get it and the timeout was just to give you a day to hopefully let it sink in and stop.

If I took things personally I could not do this job. I get that an infraction can piss people off but it's genuinely not personal from this end. I only do it as a last resort.

optional, you sound like a stand up person just like myself. frustrted? absolutly, however one thing has nothing to do with the other.if my complaint is legetimit why is the sportsbook still not exposed to protect other players? if youre refering to those false accusttions about me you know very well that they are bogus i have sent enough hard evidence to eliminate all those doubts!!as far as the public is concerned i have nothing to hide because im telling the truth!!! the reason im not getting paid is because they know they have nothing to gain from me anymore vs the small complaints they are taking care of VERY SLOWLY!!!!!!!!!

Well, I don't know they are bogus. I just believe you. And it's not possible for you to give hard evidence to refute the claim. You can't prove a negative assertion. Which is not your fault but it makes it tough for anyone to unbiasedly say to them 'here is the evidence, now pay up'.

Truth is I think the book do truly believe you are a 'bad person' and think they are justified telling you to kick rocks, hard evidence or not as well.

I kind of suspect they might have the wrong person. Or maybe you have had dealings at another book with someone who now works there and they are acting based on memories of one person and assumptions, rather than facts and evidence. I also suspect that if it wasn't as much as 45k they might be easier to deal with on it. But I could be wrong, as all we have to work with are assumptions as well. :\

[Lily Blackwell]

At last the real truth comes out. The $4k has turned into dust. Go and dream up some other made up story, but this time go and spam some other forum with it. Or even better, go and get a life.

What truth has come out? if anything I have just restated everything I have been saying from the start.

[Lily Blackwell]

It does not matter what rating the book has. If someone comes here and starts bashing them with no backup information then it will be questioned. Plenty of other forums you can go bash any book you like without being fair. Just not here.

If we had ever seen other reports of people being no-payed by Hollywood it would be much less of an issue. But you are making a claim that just does not ring true, so it's fair and normal to want a bit more detail when you insist on posting the allegation like it's fact, multiple times, over multiple days.




I am not sure what your problem is with what I said or did in that thread

I gave you a 24 hour timeout as after I deleted maybe 10 of your posts and had asked you nicely not to re-post your Northbet invite request in multiple threads, you kept doing it and then sent me PMs claiming I was trying to bully you and it was personal. You obviously didnt get it and the timeout was just to give you a day to hopefully let it sink in and stop.

If I took things personally I could not do this job. I get that an infraction can piss people off but it's genuinely not personal from this end. I only do it as a last resort.




Well, I don't know they are bogus. I just believe you. And it's not possible for you to give hard evidence to refute the claim. You can't prove a negative assertion. Which is not your fault but it makes it tough for anyone to unbiasedly say to them 'here is the evidence, now pay up'.

Truth is I think the book do truly believe you are a 'bad person' and think they are justified telling you to kick rocks, hard evidence or not as well.

I kind of suspect they might have the wrong person. Or maybe you have had dealings at another book with someone who now works there and they are acting based on memories of one person and assumptions, rather than facts and evidence. I also suspect that if it wasn't as much as 45k they might be easier to deal with on it. But I could be wrong, as all we have to work with are assumptions as well. :\

I agree with your first part. If I had known about the complaint form in the past I would have pursued it more then. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Why would I make something like this up? To bash a D rated book? Why? Come on let's use logic here.

I disagree with how you said you deleted ten posts of mine. I never started ten threads on here ever. If you are referring to ten posts instead of threads i would still think the number was around 4 or 5 posts and still do you blame me? Asking for information on a sports betting forum. I'm just trying to get the word out so someone can actually be of help to me.

And my point with you in that thread was evidence of you answering questions quickly for someone who is obviously being sketchy but when I have asked for something that plenty of people play at on this site you made me out to be the bad guy and even advised others to not associate themselves with me.

[bigdaddy1]

It does not matter what rating the book has. If someone comes here and starts bashing them with no backup information then it will be questioned. Plenty of other forums you can go bash any book you like without being fair. Just not here.

If we had ever seen other reports of people being no-payed by Hollywood it would be much less of an issue. But you are making a claim that just does not ring true, so it's fair and normal to want a bit more detail when you insist on posting the allegation like it's fact, multiple times, over multiple days.




I am not sure what your problem is with what I said or did in that thread

I gave you a 24 hour timeout as after I deleted maybe 10 of your posts and had asked you nicely not to re-post your Northbet invite request in multiple threads, you kept doing it and then sent me PMs claiming I was trying to bully you and it was personal. You obviously didnt get it and the timeout was just to give you a day to hopefully let it sink in and stop.

If I took things personally I could not do this job. I get that an infraction can piss people off but it's genuinely not personal from this end. I only do it as a last resort.




Well, I don't know they are bogus. I just believe you. And it's not possible for you to give hard evidence to refute the claim. You can't prove a negative assertion. Which is not your fault but it makes it tough for anyone to unbiasedly say to them 'here is the evidence, now pay up'.

Truth is I think the book do truly believe you are a 'bad person' and think they are justified telling you to kick rocks, hard evidence or not as well.

I kind of suspect they might have the wrong person. Or maybe you have had dealings at another book with someone who now works there and they are acting based on memories of one person and assumptions, rather than facts and evidence. I also suspect that if it wasn't as much as 45k they might be easier to deal with on it. But I could be wrong, as all we have to work with are assumptions as well. :\

ok optional, whatever you say. if the evidence i sent the sbr agent isnt hard evidence i dont know what is. i can send to you as well if you wish so all your doubts wil go away

[luctens]

What truth has come out? if anything I have just restated everything I have been saying from the start.

I agree with your first part. If I had known about the complaint form in the past I would have pursued it more then. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Why would I make something like this up? To bash a D rated book? Why? Come on let's use logic here.

I disagree with how you said you deleted ten posts of mine. I never started ten threads on here ever. If you are referring to ten posts instead of threads i would still think the number was around 4 or 5 posts and still do you blame me? Asking for information on a sports betting forum. I'm just trying to get the word out so someone can actually be of help to me.

The truth has come out by you agreeing that what you've said about Hollywood Sportsbook owing you $4k is slander. If you don't know what slander means, look it up in the dictionary.

You say "Why would I make something like this up?" and "Come on let's use logic here." Who knows why you would make it up but you haven't made any sense and haven't shown any logic since starting posting here so who knows what's going on in your head.

You say you didn't know about this forum and didn't know you could make an SBR complaint in the past. That makes no difference whatsoever. You know about it now, and you are still not willing to pursue it with an SBR complaint. That says it all really, the $4k you're owed doesn't exist so there's nothing to put an SBR complaint in for, and you've already admitted that's the case, so move on to your next made up story.

[bigdaddy1]

ok optional, whatever you say. if the evidence i sent the sbr agent isnt hard evidence i dont know what is. i can send to you as well if you wish so all your doubts wil go away

i see theirs no use in arguing. even with hard evidence doubts still remain. for whatever its worth it leaves me with a lot of questions about sbr helping out with complaints!!! dont matter for me anyway offshore gambling is banned for me

[HedgeHog]

How does that make me a lier by not releasing private information? I'm glad I'm not on trial in your courtroom. Way to not reply in the other thread I owned you in too:
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...hought-p2.html

Sorry, I consider my Northbet access code my personal private info and won't release it to you. But feel free to continue begging.

[Lily Blackwell]

Sorry, I consider my Northbet access code my personal private info and won't release it to you. But feel free to continue begging.

I'm not begging. I have only been asking that's one reason I came here for and because you have bragged about the site so I was aware you had an account. I forgot you hold on to free generated invitation codes like its liquid gold. The jokes on you too because you could be receiving free money through Northbet as well since you get a percentage of my first deposit. You're so stupid I have to explain that. But props to you if are refusing a few hundred dollars. I don't know the exact percentages but I was told it's a larger percentage and considering the amount i would be depositing.