[emanuelft10]

Hi dear fellows,

I'm new on SBR and I was reading a lot of information here since last week, because I'm trying to choose the best Sportbook for me. I like the fact that Pinnacle don't limit players when they are winning, but I think that Pinnacle is not the best Sportbook for betting live on under/over lines right?

I usually don't bet on moneyline, I like to bet live "in-play" in goal's market (over/under). So, bet365 is the best sportbook for me? Or do you recommend another ones?

Thank you in advance for all of you!
Regards.

[futbolmundial]

365 has great offerings untill they profile your account as 'sharp' once this happens your limits will be slashed thus rendering 365 unusable. Check out SBOBET they are fantastic for live in play and they donot limit winners. Also, depending on the market/sport different bookmakers will service you better than others.. For instance, Bookmaker.com is great for nba and ncaab totals. Usually books wait till Pinny spits out a line and then they copy and paste it to their site adding juice to both sides. Where as Bookmaker.com sets it's own nba and ncaab lines BEFORE pinny. Sometimes the lines are off by a few points from Pinny's opener. So there's a huge advantage playing there over 365, Pinny and so on. I'd recommend you do a bit more research regarding your needs and find the bookie that suits you best as different places offer different value to the bettor.

[emanuelft10]

365 has great offerings untill they profile your account as 'sharp' once this happens your limits will be slashed thus rendering 365 unusable. Check out SBOBET they are fantastic for live in play and they donot limit winners. Also, depending on the market/sport different bookmakers will service you better than others.. For instance, Bookmaker.com is great for nba and ncaab totals. Usually books wait till Pinny spits out a line and then they copy and paste it to their site adding juice to both sides. Where as Bookmaker.com sets it's own nba and ncaab lines BEFORE pinny. Sometimes the lines are off by a few points from Pinny's opener. So there's a huge advantage playing there over 365, Pinny and so on. I'd recommend you do a bit more research regarding your needs and find the bookie that suits you best as different places offer different value to the bettor.

Hi thank you very much for you reply and help.
In the past I bet a lot on NBA totals, but now I'm only on the goal's market in soccer. I will give a look on SBOBET, thanks for the suggestion.
About bet365, with your experiencie, how many is necessary for they profile my account as "sharp" and how they cut on the limits? They reduce the max stake? Or the odds?

Thanks again.

[futbolmundial]

Hi thank you very much for you reply and help.
In the past I bet a lot on NBA totals, but now I'm only on the goal's market in soccer. I will give a look on SBOBET, thanks for the suggestion.
About bet365, with your experiencie, how many is necessary for they profile my account as "sharp" and how they cut on the limits? They reduce the max stake? Or the odds?

Thanks again.

It depends on the player... usually once you win a few thousand 365 will deem your acct as sharp and they will either boot you or reduce your limits to peanuts (50 pounds or less) . From all my years of playing I haven't heard about them changing the odds from one player to the next (dual lines) . They will boot you out tho for sure if you win over a certain amount. It also depends on the markets you bet on aswell. If they see you beating the closing number more times than not they will deem your account as 'sharp' .

[DeathAdder]

Bet365 quietly taking over top spot as #1 sportsbook dare I say even over Pinnacle. There's no bookie I trust more today than B365.
Lightning fast payouts, bonuses galore, unrivaled live betting markets, top notch software. I'm in no way affiliated with B365 so believe me when I say it doesn't get better than B365

[dealer wins]

Bet365 quietly taking over top spot as #1 sportsbook dare I say even over Pinnacle. There's no bookie I trust more today than B365.
Lightning fast payouts, bonuses galore, unrivaled live betting markets, top notch software. I'm in no way affiliated with B365 so believe me when I say it doesn't get better than B365

B365 are just another book that limit anyone with half a brain cell. Truly great bookmakers dont need to limit any of their clients, they do their bookmaking properly.

[SBE]

B365 is good only for recreational players. Huge offer, though crappy odds. But for those, who is betting for fun, number one, for sure.

If B365 is having (for example) an odds, 1.4, Pinnacle or Betfair, beat them easily with 1.45 till 1.5 ...


B365 limited me some 7 years ago, due to style of my betting, though, in total, I was some XXX minus there.

They watch customer's accounts and limit very quickly those who is "a potential danger" for them...

For serious players - not usable ...

I use only their live streams, though, sometimes, they launch it after a match started, when there is a score, 1:1 and 30:15 in the first set. When I contact their support, they lie about a "third party" provider (of the live stream), but they are offering odds in play at the same time, so they must have the picture for themselves (could not offer odds without having the picture), only someone who is responsible (at B365) does not care (to switch it on time, for customers, too) ...

[luctens]

Bet365 quietly taking over top spot as #1 sportsbook dare I say even over Pinnacle. There's no bookie I trust more today than B365.
Lightning fast payouts, bonuses galore, unrivaled live betting markets, top notch software. I'm in no way affiliated with B365 so believe me when I say it doesn't get better than B365

You're obviously not a serious player as if you were, you would have been limited by Bet365 and then you certainly wouldn't be singing their praises over Pinnacle, as Pinnacle would be one of your only options left to be able to get a bet on.

If you're betting for fun, Bet365 is up there as one of the best. If you're a serious player, Pinnacle is simply far and away the best.

[emanuelft10]

Bet365 quietly taking over top spot as #1 sportsbook dare I say even over Pinnacle. There's no bookie I trust more today than B365.
Lightning fast payouts, bonuses galore, unrivaled live betting markets, top notch software. I'm in no way affiliated with B365 so believe me when I say it doesn't get better than B365

I appreciate your opinion and help, but I read a lot of opinions like @SBE, @luctens and @dealer wins said about bet365 limitting.

I just don't know if they limit when you start earning thousands of profit, or if its about the number of sucessful bets in a row..

[luctens]

I appreciate your opinion and help, but I read a lot of opinions like @SBE, @luctens and @dealer wins said about bet365 limitting.

I just don't know if they limit when you start earning thousands of profit, or if its about the number of sucessful bets in a row..

It's not even about profit or the number of bets you've won most of the time. For example, you could have placed 50 bets and lost 40 of them and be losing a big amount to Bet365. But if you had beaten the starting price in say 40 out of the 50 bets, then the bookmaker is probably going to forecast that your luck will even out at some point, your skill at beating the starting price will come to the fore and they will think that you will beat them in the long term, and therefore they will limit you.

There are a lot of factors that contribute to a bookmaker limiting a customer, but betting at value prices and beating the starting price is the one main factor that will get you limited and is the one thing that is most easiest for these bookmakers' algorithms to pick up and then flag up undesirable customers. The trouble is, if you want to make money betting, then the only way you can do that long term is to bet on value prices and beat the starting price, so it's an occupational hazard that you can't avoid so it's a classic catch 22 situation.

[emanuelft10]

It's not even about profit or the number of bets you've won most of the time. For example, you could have placed 50 bets and lost 40 of them and be losing a big amount to Bet365. But if you had beaten the starting price in say 40 out of the 50 bets, then the bookmaker is probably going to forecast that your luck will even out at some point, your skill at beating the starting price will come to the fore and they will think that you will beat them in the long term, and therefore they will limit you.

There are a lot of factors that contribute to a bookmaker limiting a customer, but betting at value prices and beating the starting price is the one main factor that will get you limited and is the one thing that is most easiest for these bookmakers' algorithms to pick up and then flag up undesirable customers. The trouble is, if you want to make money betting, then the only way you can do that long term is to bet on value prices and beat the starting price, so it's an occupational hazard that you can't avoid so it's a classic catch 22 situation.

" bet on value prices and beat the starting price" can you please explain this better or with an example? I'm not english-native, I could not get that expression of starting price and value price.

And thanks for the help, I'm getting the point

[luctens]

" bet on value prices and beat the starting price" can you please explain this better or with an example? I'm not english-native, I could not get that expression of starting price and value price.

And thanks for the help, I'm getting the point

For example if you look around the market at the time you are going to place a bet and the general consensus along with the exchanges and Pinnacle is that a selection's accurate price at that time is 2.00, if you get odds at a bookie at that time of 2.05, that is a massive advantage as if the market is right that the fair or accurate odds at that time is 2.00 and a lot of the time the market is right, then you getting 2.05 odds means you are getting better than fair or accurate odds, and bookmakers don't generally make money from customers that are taking better than fair odds from them. This would be construed as a value bet.

Also, the starting price which is the market consensus price just before the event starts, that is most of the time the most accurate indicator to what the correct odds of a match are, as by that time all of the sharps and whoever else have put their money down and driven the prices to be efficient. Pinnacle's starting prices are usually the best reflection of what the accurate odds are just before a match starts. Again, if for example Pinnacle close the line at 2.00, and you have previously got 2.05 at a different bookmaker, then you are perceived to have a massive edge over the bookmaker, and the bookmaker doesn't like that.

If you continue getting these value prices and beating the starting price over and over again, then you are likely to have a good statistical chance of beating the bookmaker on a long term basis, and their algorithms will usually pick up on these trends of the odds you are betting at, flag you up as a smart bettor and then the bookmaker will limit you.

So a lot of it is to do with price. If that selection at correct odds of 2.00, if you are betting it every time at 1.95 odds, most bookmakers will take your bets all day long as they have a massive edge over you. If you're betting that selection at 2.05 though, you have a massive edge over them and they will most likely limit you. So it's a pure numbers game where price is king.

The truth is that the percentage of people that are engaging in this sort of play are probably only about 1% of bettors, and if the bookmaker let all of these 1% of bettors bet to a good stake without limiting them, then the bookmaker would still make millions in profit and letting these sharp customers in wouldn't affect their profit in relative terms much at all. But the bookmakers aren't interested in a fair market where everybody can get a good bet on, they are extremely greedy and therefore will continue to engage in these unfair practices until one or two bookmakers show some balls and take on these customers or the regulators wake up and do something about it.

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[emanuelft10]

For example if you look around the market at the time you are going to place a bet and the general consensus along with the exchanges and Pinnacle is that a selection's accurate price at that time is 2.00, if you get odds at a bookie at that time of 2.05, that is a massive advantage as if the market is right that the fair or accurate odds at that time is 2.00 and a lot of the time the market is right, then you getting 2.05 odds means you are getting better than fair or accurate odds, and bookmakers don't generally make money from customers that are taking better than fair odds from them. This would be construed as a value bet.

Also, the starting price which is the market consensus price just before the event starts, that is most of the time the most accurate indicator to what the correct odds of a match are, as by that time all of the sharps and whoever else have put their money down and driven the prices to be efficient. Pinnacle's starting prices are usually the best reflection of what the accurate odds are just before a match starts. Again, if for example Pinnacle close the line at 2.00, and you have previously got 2.05 at a different bookmaker, then you are perceived to have a massive edge over the bookmaker, and the bookmaker doesn't like that.

If you continue getting these value prices and beating the starting price over and over again, then you are likely to have a good statistical chance of beating the bookmaker on a long term basis, and their algorithms will usually pick up on these trends of the odds you are betting at, flag you up as a smart bettor and then the bookmaker will limit you.

So a lot of it is to do with price. If that selection at correct odds of 2.00, if you are betting it every time at 1.95 odds, most bookmakers will take your bets all day long as they have a massive edge over you. If you're betting that selection at 2.05 though, you have a massive edge over them and they will most likely limit you. So it's a pure numbers game where price is king.

The truth is that the percentage of people that are engaging in this sort of play are probably only about 1% of bettors, and if the bookmaker let all of these 1% of bettors bet to a good stake without limiting them, then the bookmaker would still make millions in profit and letting these sharp customers in wouldn't affect their profit in relative terms much at all. But the bookmakers aren't interested in a fair market where everybody can get a good bet on, they are extremely greedy and therefore will continue to engage in these unfair practices until one or two bookmakers show some balls and take on these customers or the regulators wake up and do something about it.

I really appreciate your help and time invested on this explanation! Clearly explained, no doubts here! Thank you @luctens!

[baseballstud]

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