[dpeti]

My bet is Under 160. (Settled as lost)

Strasbourg - Nizhny Novgorod

Second round reult : 65-74 After overtime: 91-91

First round result: 94-85


Aggregate: 185-176

http://www.flashscore.com/match/xEuwCgb9/#match-summary


So the match ended with 65-74 (difference 9 points) but this was a 2nd round match and because the first round score was 94:85 (difference -9) they had to play extra time to decide who goes to the next round.

So this is not conventional overtime where the score was draw at the end of the regular time.

What do you think? Bookie should consider it as normal overtime or not?

Keep in mind that a lot of bookie offers only moneyline on basketball , so all bets are lost or winner. (in this case if the score 91:91 they have to void monelyine bets, but on regular time the away team won the match.)

In this case score was 65- 74 on regular time so the away team was the winner with 9 points handicap.

If i put my bet on the away team moneyline , would it be a winner bet?
If i put my bet on the away team with -5 handicap, would it be a winner bet or we have to choose the score after the extra time, which was 91-91 so the bet would be lost?

If both bets (above) are winners then my under 160 bet should be also a winner and not lost.

If both bets (above) are lost then this is not fair because the away team won the match on regular time.
It means that you have to keep in mind that this match is not a normal match (bookmakers should warn on this) but a cup match where one of the teams will go to the next round. (and such case could happen)

This could happen almost in all sports. What are the rules?

sorry for my bad english

[dpeti]

if the away team scored one more or one less point then your moneyline bet would be winner ??? (because in this case there would not have been extra time/overtime)

But now your moneyline bet will be void ??? because you have to keep in mind that this match is not indepented from the previous match

What about spreads? you placed a bet on -10 -9 or -8 spreads What will be the result?

and so on

[primozek]

Hi,
top bookies have same basketball rule:
Bets on whole game (money line, spread or total) include any overtime.
So I think even the regular time did not finish in tie, overtime occured and the final score is 91:91.
(this is also Pinnacle sport explanation)

[dpeti]

Hi,
top bookies have same basketball rule:
Bets on whole game (money line, spread or total) include any overtime.
So I think even the regular time did not finish in tie, overtime occured and the final score is 91:91.
(this is also Pinnacle sport explanation)

As i said I think this was not overtime , this was extra time because they had to decide who goes to the next round .

What does overtime mean?

- Could overtime finsh in tie?
- Could this really happen ?

(1st match result : 94-85 , 9 points difference )

Suppose you placed your bet on the away team moneyline

regular time result:

65 - 65 What is the outcome? home team goes to the next round without overtime ? or overtime ? If 2nd, then if there is only 2 sec left from the match and the score is 63:65 then the away team have to score into their basket (own basket???) to 65:65 so they have another 5 minutes/chance to win the match by more then 9 points and go to the next round. ???

65- 66 You won the bet.
65- 67 You won the bet.
65- 68 You won the bet.
65- 69 You won the bet.
65- 70 You won the bet.
65- 71 You won the bet.
65- 72 You won the bet.
65- 73 You won the bet.
65- 74 difference exactly 9 points so you can still lose your bet , but in this case you should have known this is a real scenario before you place your bet on this match.
65- 75 You won the bet.
65- 76 You won the bet.
... You won the bet.



This also means that pinnacle and all other bookies could not offer 9 points handicap on this match (or any other cup match X handciap, where X is the 1st match ponits difference, soccer too ) because to achieve 9 points difference is not possible.

So it should look like:

handicap (for example pinnacle lines):

-7.5 (home team goes to the next round)
-8 (home team goes to the next round)
-8.5 (home team goes to the next round)
-9 (This could not be offered because the points difference could not be 9 at the end of the match)
-9.5 (away team goes to the next round)
-10 (away team goes to the next round)
-10.5 (away team goes to the next round)

if some bookie offers a 9 points spread on this match it is the same as if they offer impossible outcomes on any other sports ( soccer : -3:1 , tennis : 9:2 )

[Optional]

Hi Depti,

It does not really matter what is 'normal', what we think or what other books do.

Can you post their full basketball rules?


I would not be surprised if you are correct as this is a weird situation but the rules are what we need.

[primozek]

I can't believe what happened to me.

Placed bet on this game with Greek, total Over 159,5 points. They settled as loss (didn't count overtime)
Placed bet on this game with Pinnacle, total Under 159,5 points. They also settled as loss (overtime counts)
Pure arbritrage, both have same rules but I lost both.

Here are The Greek rules:


· Betting on the game period spread, moneyline, or total (over/under) include any overtime scoring.
·
Here are Pinnacle rules:
· Any wager on the game or the 2nd half will include any overtime that may occur.

So I think both of them should count overtime and I should lost at Pinnacle and won at Greek.

What is your opinion and what should I do?
I already exchanged mail with both and they insist.

Hi Depti,

It does not really matter what is 'normal', what we think or what other books do.

Can you post their full basketball rules?


I would not be surprised if you are correct as this is a weird situation but the rules are what we need.

[Optional]

I can't believe what happened to me.

Placed bet on this game with Greek, total Over 159,5 points. They settled as loss (didn't count overtime)
Placed bet on this game with Pinnacle, total Under 159,5 points. They also settled as loss (overtime counts)
Pure arbritrage, both have same rules but I lost both.

Here are The Greek rules:


· Betting on the game period spread, moneyline, or total (over/under) include any overtime scoring.
·
Here are Pinnacle rules:
· Any wager on the game or the 2nd half will include any overtime that may occur.

So I think both of them should count overtime and I should lost at Pinnacle and won at Greek.

What is your opinion and what should I do?
I already exchanged mail with both and they insist.

Did Greek give you any reasoning why they do not include overtime for this match?

Again, it's a weird situation but looking over their rules it appears only 4th qtr bets do not include overtime so I'd assume that was a winner for you too.

[primozek]

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Their answer:
Please be informed that up on reviewing the game between Strasbourg and Nizhny Novgorod the score is correct 65-74 Nizhny Novgorod.
Kindly note that the reason why the game went in over time was that it was a two leg game. The first leg Strasbourg won the game 94-85 which they won by 9 points. However in the second leg Strasbourg loss the game by 9 points hence the game went in over time.

Kindly note that in this case overtime is not included since the game played did not end in a tie , it was graded as a complete game with no overtime included.
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I still think overtime is overtime, no mather what reason, even if regular time is not tie. No different definion of overtime in their rules.

Did Greek give you any reasoning why they do not include overtime for this match?

Again, it's a weird situation but looking over their rules it appears only 4th qtr bets do not include overtime so I'd assume that was a winner for you too.

[dpeti]

Basketball

NBA

• Team totals for the second half include overtime.
• 4th quarter lines do not include overtime.
• Double result pools consist of the winner of the 1st half and the winner of the game.
• Both double result and margin of victory pools include overtime.

Baseball




abcislands/jazzsport

There is no rule on overtime.

i can imagine that some books settled both outcome to lost. (over 160/ under 160)
and if you ask them about it they will explain why your bet was lost.
(this is not overtime .... , this is overtime ... )


I asked the book to resttle my bet to winner but until now no response. (At least they should void it.)

i still think this overtime is not overtime. This is extra time.

Overtime is to decide the winner.
Extra time is to decide who goes to the next round.

[dpeti]

i am curious how pinnacle settled the spread bets and moneyline on this match

regaular time or overtime ? Void the moneyline or not? (91-91)

repost: moneyline on away team

65- 66 You won the bet.
65- 67 You won the bet.
65- 68 You won the bet.
65- 69 You won the bet.
65- 70 You won the bet.
65- 71 You won the bet.
65- 72 You won the bet.
65- 73 You won the bet.
65- 74 difference exactly 9 points so you can still lose your bet , but in this case you should have known this is a real scenario before you place your bet on this match.
65- 75 You won the bet.
65- 76 You won the bet.
... You won the bet.

[dpeti]

Hi Depti,

It does not really matter what is 'normal', what we think or what other books do.

Can you post their full basketball rules?


I would not be surprised if you are correct as this is a weird situation but the rules are what we need.

Perhaps you cant see it, so here is again:

No mention non NBA basketball.

Basketball

NBA

• Team totals for the second half include overtime.
• 4th quarter lines do not include overtime.
• Double result pools consist of the winner of the 1st half and the winner of the game.
• Both double result and margin of victory pools include overtime.

Baseball

[Optional]

-------------------------
Their answer:
Please be informed that up on reviewing the game between Strasbourg and Nizhny Novgorod the score is correct 65-74 Nizhny Novgorod.
Kindly note that the reason why the game went in over time was that it was a two leg game. The first leg Strasbourg won the game 94-85 which they won by 9 points. However in the second leg Strasbourg loss the game by 9 points hence the game went in over time.

Kindly note that in this case overtime is not included since the game played did not end in a tie , it was graded as a complete game with no overtime included.
---------------------------------------------
I still think overtime is overtime, no mather what reason, even if regular time is not tie. No different definion of overtime in their rules.

Honestly, I think their logic is good. Although the fact 'a game must end in a tie' for it to be called overtime is not defined in the rules is a bit problematic I agree. But what they say does make good sense I think.

Still, I would probably appeal to Greek before Pinny, as treating it as overtime is pretty easy to justify in their instance.

Basketball

NBA

• Team totals for the second half include overtime.
• 4th quarter lines do not include overtime.
• Double result pools consist of the winner of the 1st half and the winner of the game.
• Both double result and margin of victory pools include overtime.

Baseball




abcislands/jazzsport

There is no rule on overtime.

i can imagine that some books settled both outcome to lost. (over 160/ under 160)
and if you ask them about it they will explain why your bet was lost.
(this is not overtime .... , this is overtime ... )


I asked the book to resttle my bet to winner but until now no response. (At least they should void it.)

i still think this overtime is not overtime. This is extra time.

Overtime is to decide the winner.
Extra time is to decide who goes to the next round.

And you want the reverse of the decision primozek would like to see.



For both of you I believe your best course of action is to request a Void from Greek/Jazz due to the uncertainty in the posted rules and this situation. But you are both also welcome to submit a complaint form and have the CR guys take a look and see what they think. http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/ I'm still not 100% sure what I think the 'right' grading should be personally.

[maxim64]

Hi everybody, this is my first post.
Here's my experience:
Matchbook Exchange settled LOST my bet (lay Moneyline NIZHNY NOVGOROD).
At time of my bet their Basketball rules said "Game and second-half wagers for NBA, NCAA, Euroleague, Eurocup, Spanish Liga ACB and International games will be settled on the official final score including overtime".

I asked them to re-settle my bet as VOID but Matchbook reply was:

"Your bet was settled on the result at the end of regular time, as the draw only occurred due to the aggregate score (1st leg + 2nd leg) making this a losing selection".

Today their basketball rules has changed and these words were added after "overtime": if the game is tied after regular time. It seems to me an admission of fault, doesn't it?

I've already submitted a complaint form to SBR...let's wait and see!

[dpeti]

perhaps SBR should modify the topic name to : Strasbourg - Nizhny Novgorod overtime or not

so we could see much more posts


( I sent another email to the bookie quoting greek reply but until now no response. i will send another with quoting matchbook reply )


Somebody should ask pinnacle or check pinnacle rules too. Perhaps it will change too.

I think all Bookmaker should change their rules to : " If the game is tied after the regular time."

[pjesnik24]

IMO overtime should count because with tie there would be no overtime (at least I think so). Same like soccer, if there is one game extra time is after 90 minutes but if there are two legs then there is extra time after second game even with 5:0 and 0:5 results. I think thegreek is wrong here.

[primozek]

The Greek have been cooperative lately, they gave me right after further explanation. My bet is settled win (so they counted overtime). Also they will add further rule for such a case, which seems fair as it will be more transparent. Thank you for your time.

Honestly, I think their logic is good. Although the fact 'a game must end in a tie' for it to be called overtime is not defined in the rules is a bit problematic I agree. But what they say does make good sense I think.

Still, I would probably appeal to Greek before Pinny, as treating it as overtime is pretty easy to justify in their instance.





And you want the reverse of the decision primozek would like to see.



For both of you I believe your best course of action is to request a Void from Greek/Jazz due to the uncertainty in the posted rules and this situation. But you are both also welcome to submit a complaint form and have the CR guys take a look and see what they think. http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/ I'm still not 100% sure what I think the 'right' grading should be personally.

[Optional]

The Greek have been cooperative lately, they gave me right after further explanation. My bet is settled win (so they counted overtime). Also they will add further rule for such a case, which seems fair as it will be more transparent. Thank you for your time.

That's really great to hear.

Always love dealing with The Greek and pleased to hear they are still as fair and pragmatic as ever.

[dpeti]

abcislands resettled my bet to winner (as i asked and as i think it is fair)

Thank you for your email, Sr. Upon reviewing the information that you sent us, we proceeded to make the proper adjustment to your account ($195+). We apologize for the inconvenience.

[Optional]

abcislands resettled my bet to winner (as i asked and as i think it is fair)

Thank you for your email, Sr. Upon reviewing the information that you sent us, we proceeded to make the proper adjustment to your account ($195+). We apologize for the inconvenience.

Great news and nice to see both books acting so fairly about it in the end.

[maxim64]

Hi everybody, this is my first post.
Here's my experience:
Matchbook Exchange settled LOST my bet (lay Moneyline NIZHNY NOVGOROD).
At time of my bet their Basketball rules said "Game and second-half wagers for NBA, NCAA, Euroleague, Eurocup, Spanish Liga ACB and International games will be settled on the official final score including overtime".

I asked them to re-settle my bet as VOID but Matchbook reply was:

"Your bet was settled on the result at the end of regular time, as the draw only occurred due to the aggregate score (1st leg + 2nd leg) making this a losing selection".

Today their basketball rules has changed and these words were added after "overtime": if the game is tied after regular time. It seems to me an admission of fault, doesn't it?

I've already submitted a complaint form to SBR...let's wait and see!

Great news from MATCHBOOK Exchange too!

They have just re-settled my bet (moneyline) to VOID as a gesture of good will in this particular market.
This is a one-off situation on their side as they changed basketball rule the day after my complaint

[Optional]

Great news from MATCHBOOK Exchange too!

They have just re-settled my bet (moneyline) to VOID as a gesture of good will in this particular market.
This is a one-off situation on their side as they changed basketball rule the day after my complaint

Looks like all the books agree it was a weird one.

Not often we come across a situation so many books don't seem to have covered in the terms.

Kudos to Matchbook too.