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    wow that guy had a lot of websites

    eatsleepbet.com would be fitting for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefan80 View Post
    If you see a gambling platform/website which shows the license number 1668/JAZ you should not open an account and deposit money…you will not see those money again.
    Well, the risk of not seeing his money again might be high(er) but of those books listed in your comment I already used 4youbet, kulbet, bet11888, betfinal and betsonic and they all paid out.

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    90dakika.com should be added to the list of rated websites with rating "F"...this way you may protect other players from becoming a victim of scams done 90dakika.com.

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    After I started to copy to all my messages sent to Curacao eGaming (complaints@curacao-egaming.com, compliance@curacao-egaming.com), with details about my case and the frauds of 90dakika, people from UTS (P.deGeus@uts.cw, D.Macaya@uts.cw, R.Engels@uts.cw), Public Prosecutor Office (Guus.schram@omcarib.org, Mirjam.Mol@OMCarib.org, Aydmeline.Dickens@omcarib.org, parket.curacao@OMCarib.org), Ministry of Justice (Ministerie.Justitie@gobiernu.cw), it seems that Curacao eGaming has suspended the license issued to 90dakika.com and parasino.com (a clone of 90dakika).

    https://validator.curacao-egaming.co...n=90dakika.com

    https://validator.curacao-egaming.co...w.parasino.com

    I strongly advice you to do the same if you have a case against an operator licensed in Curacao.

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    You may read more about gambling sites licensed in Curacao on the following forum also. I found it when I made research for my case and my intention is not to promote another forum but only to spread the word and to stop the platforms/operators that commit scams against innocent people.

    SBR forum is great and people should continue to speak up and to presents their case, only this way we may fight against the gambling sites that commit scams against clients.

    https://game-protect.com/curacao-license-scam-1668jaz/

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    I have £398 stuck in Parasino , no response to emails etc.


    What should I do ?

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    Send a complain and add in CC all the addresses mentioned in my post with no #39

    On another forum a player wrote the same staff about 90dakika but he had 2,100 EUR...parasino.com and casinotv24.com are clones of 90dakika and had the license suspended by Curacao eGaming.

    https://validator.curacao-egaming.co...n=90dakika.com
    https://validator.curacao-egaming.co...w.parasino.com
    https://validator.curacao-egaming.co...casinotv24.com

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    If you have used Neteller to deposit write also a complaint to Neteller (complaints@neteller.com) and put in CC: complaint.info@financial-ombudsman.org.uk and ombudsman@iomoft.gov.im

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    In case you have been scammed by 90dakika.com and you want to fight to recover your money, I want to start a group for a collective litigation against the 90dakika and Aydin Ayyildiz (director and sole shareholder) and the issuers of the licenses (Curacao eGaming and Gaming Curacao/they received two licenses despite the fact that Aydin Ayyildiz has a criminal record).
    The costs will be split proportional with the amount that each one has to recover. Nevertheless, once we win in court we will recover the legal costs also (lawyer and other related costs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefan80 View Post
    In case you have been scammed by 90dakika.com and you want to fight to recover your money, I want to start a group for a collective litigation against the 90dakika and Aydin Ayyildiz (director and sole shareholder) and the issuers of the licenses (Curacao eGaming and Gaming Curacao/they received two licenses despite the fact that Aydin Ayyildiz has a criminal record).
    The costs will be split proportional with the amount that each one has to recover. Nevertheless, once we win in court we will recover the legal costs also (lawyer and other related costs).
    I would join the group if we get enough people together.

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    What do you mean by add CC in the address ?

    Hopefully have a bit of time this week to do waht you suggested.

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    Send the complaint to Curacao eGaming (complaints@curacao-egaming.com and compliance@curacao-egaming.com) and include in CC line the others I mentioned above.

    I have also sent emails to all providers of payment services they work with 90dakika.com and the other clones and I asked them to stop providing them services until they resolve the complaints sent by customers.

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    Can someone from SBR explain me why 90dakika.com and parasino.com are not rated F? You can help people from becoming a victim of their scams, especially that they are operating without any kind of valid license.

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    If you have been scammed by a bookmaker which operates illegally, like 90dakika you can act against the company that provided payment services and supported the illegal activity. Neteller has agreed to pay 136m USD in USA because they provided services for illegal gambling operators.

    The Criminal Information
    1. NETeller will consent to the filing of a one-count Information (the "Information") in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York (the "Court") charging NETeller with participating in a conspiracy, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, to: (i) use the wires to transmit in interstate and foreign commerce bets and wagers and wagering information for persons engaged in the business of betting and wagering, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1084; (ii) conduct illegal gambling businesses, in
    violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1955; (iii) conduct international monetary transactions for purposes of promoting illegal gambling, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1956(a)(2)(A); and (iv) conduct an unlicensed money transmitting business, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1960. A copy of the Information is attached hereto as Exhibit
    B.

    Acceptance of Responsibility for Violation of Law
    July 17, 2007
    2. As set forth in detail in the Statement of Admitted Facts, attached hereto as Exhibit C, NETeller admits that NETeller and its predecessors, through the conduct of certain officers and directors, knowingly operated in the United States a money transmitting business that was unlicensed in the United States and knowingly promoted illegal internet gambling by using the wires and other means to transmit, in interstate and foreign commerce, bets and wagers from customers in the United States to numerous internet gambling businesses located outside of the United States, and payments to customers in the United States from numerous internet gambling
    businesses located outside of the United States.
    3. In a report, dated July 9, 2007 (the "NETeller Financial Report"), NETeller has described the financial condition of NETeller as of March 31, 2007. Pursuant to this Agreement, NETeller represents that the Financial Report is accurate and contains no material misrepresentations. NETeller agrees that it will pay a total of $136,000,000 to the United States as part of this Agreement, as disgorgement of certain profits received by NETeller from the activities described in the Statement of Admitted Facts, all of which will be forfeited to the United States pursuant to a civil forfeiture complaint filed against NETeller in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. NETeller and this Office agree that NETeller funds seized to date by this Office (approximately $55-$60 million) shall be applied to satisfy a portion of NETeller' s forfeiture obligation under this paragraph. NETeller agrees that it will satisfy the
    remaining portion of its forfeiture obligation with a payment of $40 million to be paid on or before October 15, 2007, and the remaining balance (approximately $31-$36 million) to be paid on or before January 17, 2008. In the event that NETeller fails to make these payments on a timely basis, this Office, in its sole discretion, can treat the failure to pay as a violation of the terms of this Agreement.
    4. NETeller agrees that no portion of the $136,000,000 that NETeller has agreed to pay to the United States under the terms of this Agreement is deductible on any Federal or State tax or information return. NETeller further agrees that it will not file or assist anyone in filing a petition for remission or mitigation with the Department of Justice concerning the funds that NETeller has agreed to pay to the United States under the terms of this Agreement Permanent Restrictions And Controls On NETeller's Online Payment Services

    5. This Office recognizes that NETeller has implemented certain restrictions on it business operations in order to prevent member accounts at NETeller from being used to conduct illegal transactions between internet gambling merchants and persons located in the United States
    ("U.S. Gambling Transactions"). In a report, dated June 4, 2007 (the "NETeller Controls Report"), NETeller has described and enumerated procedures and controls that it has implemented, or intends to implement, to prevent its services from being used to conduct U.S. Gambling Transactions.
    Pursuant to this Agreement, NETeller agrees to implement fully the procedures and controls described and enumerated in the NETeller Controls Report. Pursuant to this Agreement, NETeller also agrees to maintain the following permanent restrictions: (i) NETeller will not participate in illegal gambling transactions involving persons located in the United States; (ii) NETeller will maintain procedures and controls designed to prevent its services from being used to conduct U.S. Gambling Transactions; and (iii) NETeller agrees to monitor regularly the effectiveness of its procedures and controls designed to prevent its services from being used to conduct U.S. Gambling Transactions, and NETeller will revise and update its procedures and controls as necessary to achieve that purpose.
    6. NETeller has retained, at its own expense, the services of a forensic accounting firm approved by this Office to monitor, beginning on June 4, 2007, NETeller's compliance with the NETeller Controls Report. NETeller agrees to continue to retain, at its own expense, the services of a forensic accounting firm approved by this Office (the "Monitor") to monitor NETeller's compliance with the NETeller Controls Report as follows: (i) NETeller will retain the Monitor to provide to this Office reports assessing NETeller' s compliance with the NETeller Controls Report (the "Compliance Reports"); (ii) the first of the Compliance Reports will be provided to this Office on or about December 4, 2007, and subsequent reports will be provided at such other time on or before December 4, 2008, as designated by this Office; (iii) where any one of the Compliance Reports identifies a defect in NETeller' s internal controls regarding the preclusion of U.S. Gambling Transactions, NETeller shall have sixty calendar days to cure the defect from the date that the Compliance Report is provided to this Office or such longer time as is reasonably necessary to cure the defect, and NETeller shall retain the Monitor to assess NETeller' s cure of such defect and to provide a supplementary report describing its assessment of the efficacy of the cure to this Office within fifteen calendar days of completing such assessment; (iv) consistent with its obligations under law, NETeller shall, on a timely basis, provide the Monitor with or access to any information, documents, or other records, including electronic records, as are reasonably necessary
    for the Monitor to prepare and provide the Compliance Reports to this Office; and ( v) consistent with its obligations under law, NETeller shall use its best efforts to make available to the Monitor, on a timely basis, such employees as are reasonably necessary to assist and provide information to the Monitor to provide the Compliance Reports to this Office. However, if the Monitor requests access to any information, document, or other record that NETeller reasonably believes to be protected by the attorney client privilege or work product doctrine, NETeller shall in good faith consider that request, and shall consider whether providing access would assist the Monitor in performing its duties under the Agreement. It shall be a condition of the Monitor's retention that the Monitor is independent of NETeller and that no attorney-client relationship shall be formed between them. Distribution of Funds to NETeller's U.S. Customers

    7. NETeller acknowledges that it currently holds approximately $94rnillion (the "Funds") in trust for customers who are registered with NETeller as residents of the United States and currently have positive balances in their NETeller accounts ("U.S. Customers"). Pursuant to this Agreement, NETeller will return, at its own expense, the Funds in the proper amount and to the proper recipient using the principles and process for the return of the Funds to U.S. Customers, as proposed and described by NETeller in a report, dated May 10, 2007 (the "NETeller Distribution Plan").
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    90dakika is a scam

    How can I change in the name of the thread 94dakika with 90dakika? Some people do not know that 90dakika and 94dakika are the same and at the time when I created the thread the guys who run the scam with this gambling platform were keep changing the name in order to create confusion and deceive the potential clients.

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    Below you can see the reply from Financial Conduct Authority (FCA). If you have used Neteller to deposit to 90dakika or another bookmaker which did not pay you, you should send a complain to FCA also. Neteller has to protect customers' money and they are not allowed to process money for illegal gambling operations or to provide services to merchants who commit financial crimes. Neteller has to freeze the account of the gambling operators which scammed innocent people and have used Neteller to receive money from these clients.

    Thanks for your email and the additional information we've received. My name's Andy and I'm responding on behalf of my colleague Pete. I understand you'd also like to bring to our attention your concerns regarding Neteller and 90dakika.com, and other firms you've said Neteller process payments for.


    Our rules

    Where you've asked about the responsibilities of the firm, we have rules in the FCA Handbook in Senior Management Arrangements, Systems and Controls (SYSC) 6.3 which refer to financial crime. We also have guidance for firms to follow in order to reduce the risk that they might be used to further financial crime. Where you've said Neteller are processing transactions for the firms, Principle 2 says a firm should conduct its business with due skill, care and diligence.

    What we'll do

    Where you've asked us to intervene, we won't be able to tell you what we do with the information you've given as that's confidential. However it's gratefully received as it will be used to monitor the firm and assess whether they've adhered to our rules and guidance.

    Your next steps

    If you're aware of other consumers who have similar concerns, please refer them to the 'Contact us' page on our website. Also, kindly provide the postcode and web address for Neteller so that we can identify the correct firm on our Financial Services Register and the log the information you've given against them.

    I hope this information is useful and thanks again for contacting us.

    Yours sincerely,

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    94dakika.com, name of bookie is Turkish language,probably owner of the bookie is Turkish.
    it is one of the mickey-mouse bookies. You can find thousands complaints in the turkish sports forums about these bookies.
    Forget this money and look forward. Never make deposit even just a cent to this bookies

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    @Stefan80: I got a response from Ecopayz/PSI-Pay Ltd.:

    "Dear xxx,

    Thank you for contacting us and providing the information. We have considered your concerns and, unfortunately, must inform you that any disputes regarding your transfers to and from the merchant are under the governance of the merchant's Terms of Use, and we therefore suggest that you pursue a resolution satisfactory to you directly with the given merchant. We add that, as we recently had become aware of the licencing issues of the merchant, we are in the process of ending our cooperation with this company.

    Best regards,
    The ecoPayz Team
    customersupport@ecopayz.com"


    I am still awaiting the answer of FCA.

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    I received a similar email from Ecopayz/PSI-Pay Ltd (see below), and I think this proves that the payment operators do not have proper KYC procedures in place with regards the merchants and I will send a print screen of the email to FCA also. The payment operator have not met the requirements imposed by FCA as regulator. The email proves that they have ineffective KYC procedures for the merchants, they have supported illegal gambling activities as they have provided services to gambling operator without proper license and they do not have effective controls to prevent money laundering activities and financial crimes etc. Considering that payment service providers like EcoPayz, Neteller or Skrill did not check the validity of the licenses are also liable for the damages suffered by the players.

    You should also send a print screen with that email to FCA.

    Below is the email I received.

    Thank you for the provided information! We would like to inform you that, as we had recently become aware of the licensing issues of the said company, we are in the process of ending our cooperation with them. Thank you for your communication again.

    Best regards,
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    Neteller has also stopped processing deposits from client to 90dakika. This is what I found out, please let me know if you have proves that it's not true.

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    I've been advised by the FCA to file a complaint at http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.u...complaints.htm

    So I did and hope to hear back from them.

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    Question for SBR...what should be the rating of a sportsbook which is running without any kind of license and is stealing customers' money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefan80 View Post
    Question for SBR...what should be the rating of a sportsbook which is running without any kind of license and is stealing customers' money?
    Question for you... if you think you can provide a more accurate list of rated sites, why havent you started your own site?

    It gets kind of boring reading your know-it-all posts about how SBR should run their business and ratings to be honest. Don't you have clients to look after and have enough of your own problems with books to deal with?

    And surely if you knew so much about what should be rated this or that you would not have led your 'clients' into so many obviously terrible books in the first place!

    Taking a little personal responsibility could be a good move Stefan.

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    What clients are you talking about? I represent only myself and I sent SBR including my full history of bets made from my 90dakika account and transactions history (deposits etc). I take responsibility for losing my money at 90dakika but unfortunately when I opened my account with 90dakika I could not find any red flags about them.

    I just think that all the bookmakers that are operating without license or are proved of stealing money from clients should be rated F...this way you manage to protect people which are part of this community and in the end make websites like 90dakika to disappear.

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    You mentioned your clients having trouble with Curacao books here a couple of hours ago https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post27312338

    And you seem way more interested in making posts about what you think SBR ratings should be, and trying to cause as much legal trouble for your books as possible, than resolving any of your issues with them to me. It's like you just love the fight so much you don't consider taking any personal responsibility so will lash out at SBR or anyone else in preference to looking at your own actions.

    Anyway, how you deal with your problems are really up to you so keep up the fight as you wish.

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    To avoid confusion, I was referring to "many clients" of platforms registered in Curacao and not my clients...I personally lost my money at 90dakika, they have not paid me when I asked the withdrawals of almost 20k EUR (including deposits of 10,600/ I sent to SBR the print screens with my 9 deposits made from my Neteller account) and they closed my account when I started to send the complaints to SBR, Neteller, Public Prosecutor Office in Curacao etc.
    When I referred to a specific bookmaker (e.g. 90dakika, parasino) I sent you also the proof that they are operating without a license...including Curacao eGaming has suspended the so called license. If go on 90dakika or parasino website you will see that there is no license/seal displayed.

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    Oh I see. You meant other sportsbook clients. My mistake there.

    Don't get me wrong, I am with you trying to get your money and/or getting some justice. It just gets my hackles up when people turn to treating SBR like the enemy or demand ratings should be drastically altered as their main purpose.

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    this might seem dumb, but im kinda new to sports betting and im just thinking about your problem and what first comes to my mind is why not play a game both ways on diferent books until you have your money in a book that you have not had a problem with you would lose a bit on the -110 lines but still would be easier than going on with this process. I guess thats what i would do if i had a problem cashing out.

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    BTW sorry about your issue and hopefully you`ll get your money back! BOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbouchot View Post
    this might seem dumb, but im kinda new to sports betting and im just thinking about your problem and what first comes to my mind is why not play a game both ways on diferent books until you have your money in a book that you have not had a problem with you would lose a bit on the -110 lines but still would be easier than going on with this process. I guess thats what i would do if i had a problem cashing out.
    Most stupid idea ever lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbouchot View Post
    this might seem dumb, but im kinda new to sports betting and im just thinking about your problem and what first comes to my mind is why not play a game both ways on diferent books until you have your money in a book that you have not had a problem with you would lose a bit on the -110 lines but still would be easier than going on with this process. I guess thats what i would do if i had a problem cashing out.
    That would have been an option (to reduce the losses to 10-20% from that amount/balance) but they have also restricted my access to my 90dakika account, so I can not place bets from my balance with 90dakika.
    Last edited by stefan80; 10-30-17 at 02:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbouchot View Post
    this might seem dumb, but im kinda new to sports betting and im just thinking about your problem and what first comes to my mind is why not play a game both ways on diferent books until you have your money in a book that you have not had a problem with you would lose a bit on the -110 lines but still would be easier than going on with this process. I guess thats what i would do if i had a problem cashing out.
    That only makes some sense if he valued the money in the dakika account the same as money ion the other book. Which he dosen't even if he could still bet there.

    But even then, if he is good enough to KNOW which side will be losing each time, he's actually better off just to bet the big chalk winner alone than take both sides.

    But none of us is good enough to get it right every time so the real risk is that he would hit a huge underdog and end up pumping even more money into the 'worthless' balance book.


    The concept is ok when dealing with two books you trust and trying to clear a freeplay bonus sans rollover. But that's about it really, in real life.

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    Beside the reasons Optional mentioned, in most of the cases the bad book does either restrict your account to 0.xx limits or close your account so there is not even the chance to think about hedging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonnie55 View Post
    I've been advised by the FCA to file a complaint at http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.u...complaints.htm

    So I did and hope to hear back from them.
    Reply from Financial Ombudsman Service UK:

    Dear Mr xxxxxxx

    your complaint about PSI-Pay Ltd

    The ombudsman service can look into a wide range of complaints about financialbusinesses Ė but there are some limits on where we can help. Unfortunately, based on everything I've seen so far, we donít think we can take your complaint forward.

    about your complaint

    Youíve complained that PSI-Pay Ltd (trading as ecoPayz) processed the payments of Parasino.com.

    Youíd made payments to Parasino.com and you say this company turned out to be illegal. You want PSI-Pay Ltd to refund your money to you.

    Under the rules of this service we can only consider complaints brought to us by customers of that business Ė PIS-Pay Ltd. Unfortunately you are not a customer so Iím afraid I cannot consider your complaint.

    I understand this is not the outcome you were hoping for and this will be verydisappointing. Iím sorry I canít help you with your complaint any further.
    (...)

    Yours sincerely
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    Fax 0207 093 7469
    My reply:
    Hello Alison,

    what do you mean by "You are not a customer of that business."


    I am and was a customer at Ecopayz/PSI-Pay Ltd. They had a partnership with illegaly operating online sportsbook Parasino.com. The deposits I made at Parasino were transferred by Ecopayz/PSI-Pay Ltd.

    Sorry, maybe it's because I'm not a native speaker but I don't really understand what you mean. Maybe you can precise it a bit.


    Thanks.

    XXXXXXX
    Their finaly reply:
    Dear Mr xxxxxxx

    Thank you for your email. Iím sorry I didnít make my letter clear.

    I cannot consider your complaint against Ecopay as the account holder is Parasino.com.

    Ecopay processes payments for Parasino.com.

    You are a customer of Parasino.com and your dispute is with them.

    Iím sorry but I cannot consider your complaint.

    I hope this helps clarify that.

    Yours sincerely

    Alison Marchant
    Adjudicator

    Tel 0207 093 7468

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    stefan80
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    That is totally crazy...how you are not a customer of Ecopay as you have an account and they have debited your Ecopay account to credit Parasino's account.

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