Originally Posted by
zlatan25
You're right Optional, you point the real problem for them. Of course create the trade opportunity at Pinnacle is possible, i would even say that's very easy, for someone who immediately recognizes value bets. I have experience enough with Pinnacle to know/guess what game spread/total games (for tennis match) will be at the very end, i mean just before match start. So when Pinny for example starts displaying a line for total games with "over/under 19.5 games" for example, but i have the certainty "19.5" is a very generous total and it will decrease, i don't hesitate bet and repeat bets on "under 19,5", "under 19" and even "under 18,5", because i know with experience that "18" is the total that corresponds to what they should offer just before start of match. And therefore just before start of the match when i bet on the other side i make a big surebet. In reality, even if i didn't place my bets immediately and didn't "move" the odds, they would move anyway , but more slowly , with all bets of customers... But i don't wait that all these bets make the total dicrease and i immeditely place my series of bets... I don't know if my example is very clear, i hope it is. All that to say there's absolutely no cheat, or no line manipulation in what i do: i simply take all valuebets i see, and as these are value bets, of course odds will turn then and i'll be able to make a benefit betting on the other side, always with Pinnacle. But very recently they had found a way to prevent me from placing very quick series of bets (i had posted on the forum to explain that special treatment i received from Pinnacle): they recently instaured system that made that systematicaly after every one of my bets on tennis there was an "offline", all lines on the match disappear, that prevents me to place several bets consecutively on the same selection, and that let them the time they need to reevaluate the line/odds. But their system had its limit/was quite strange, because that offered me immediate surebets!? Let's take a match for example where i consider total "over 18,5" odd 2,05 is generous (value bet). I place my bet on over18,5 odd 2,05. Then, as i told you, impossible to place a second consecutive bet on "over18,5", they make line disappear (offline), and when line appear again one minute later, they considerably decrease odd for "over 18,5", so that i stop betting on it (for example after a siple bet of 250 euros odd on "over 18,5" decrease from 2,05 to 1.9), which means they now offer a "under 18,5 games" with a high odd ! (2.00 for example). So, to sum up, i place bet on a side odd 2,05, and to prevent me to insist on that selection they make offline and when line appear again they propose the other side odd 2.00 !! What should i do ???They immediately offer me surebet ! Should i refuse it ?? Is it a crime or line manipulation to bet on "under18,5 odd 2.00" immediately after i had bet on "over18.5" odd 2.05 ?? As far as i'm concerned, i consider that if there's line manipulation, that 's from their side: they manipulate lines to prevent me from betting on a side (side of the value bet), all i do is i say "ok, i won't insist on that side, i'll immediately trade with the other side as you offer me odds that guarantee me benefit...". All that is the truth, there's nothing more, nothing less. That's what they blame me for. As i said before i've nothing to hide and would accept with no problem that SBR management takes a look at my bets and account with Pinnacle. The fact is i'm not a customer that will lose money with Pinny, every month i earn thousands of euros with them, so i can understand they want to see me out, but i had always believed Pinnacle was a particular bookmaker that couldn't fire customers that way like other bookmakers do with people who earn too much. I made mistake: it seems Pinny too now decides to fire customers unfairly.