[Dunderfisk]

1. Withdrawals how fast (10 points max)
2. Withdrawals fees (4 points max)
3. Odds quality (10 points max)
4. Wagering limits (8 points max)
5. Bonuses (8 points max)
6. Customer Support (5 points max)
7. How many markets do they offer lines on (7 points max)
8. Navigation (How fast and reliable is the site, how easy is it to find what u are looking for) (6 points max)

For me bets range between 2 dollars and 300 dollar).

And I like free plays. For me the list turned out like this.

1. Unibet 51 points A+
2. Bet365 50 points A+
3. Boylesports 46 points A
4. Betsson 42 points A
5. Pinnacle 41 points A
6. Nordicbet 40 points A-
7. Ladbrokes 40 points A-
8. Sportingbet 37 points B+
9. Expekt 34 points B
10. PAF 34 points B
11. Betcris 34 points B
12. Eurobet 33 points B
13. Betsafe 33 points B
14. Betway 33 points B
15. Bet-at-home 32 points B-
16. 10Bet 31 points B-
17. Bwin 30 points B-
18. Bet24 29 points C
19. Jetbull 28 points C-
20. Interwetten 26 points C-

But if I would grade them just from out of my head it would look like this.

1. Bet365 A+
2. Unibet A+
3. Pinnacle A
4. Boylesports A
5. Nordicbet B+
6. Betsson B+
7. Expekt B
8. Ladbrokes B
9. Sportingbet B
10. PAF B
11. Bwin B-
12. Betsafe B-
13. 10Bet B-
14. Betway B-
15. Eurobet C
16. Bet-at-home C
17. Betcris C-
18. Bet24 C-
19. Interwetten D
20. Jetbull D

So If u want to make ur own list following my scheme, it would be much appreciated. Especially if u have some shit bookie u can tell readers about.

[flyingillini]

Heritage is all I need, for me, nobody else compares.

[Dunder]

Everyone is different, and would apply different criteria, mine would be something like:

1) Financial security (15 points max)
2) Odds Quality (10 points max)
3) Betting limits (10 points max)
4) Other stuff (5 points max)

For me it is:

1= Pinnacle and Betfair
3. SBOBet
4. The rest

Many non-Americans here will have been booted (or heavily limited) from most of the books on your list.

[sportsbetwin]

Financial Security 40 points
Odds 40 points
Limits 10 points
Other stuff 10 points

If you get limted but can get your winnings out who cares! Walk away and play somewhere else. If you get limited and can't meet rollover because of it then deduct 20 points!

Agree Pinnacle and Betfair 1 and 2.

Others on my list in no particular order:
Greek
5-dimes
Bet365
Centrebet
Sports Alive
188Bet
12Bet
Sportingbet Australia
Boyle Sports
Betcris

Matchbook has dropped a notch - for me they have lost points on financial security (and if you have enough books you can usually find a better price somewhere else anyway)

[Hareeba!]

If you get limted but can get your winnings out who cares!

I do!

All those Euro based books are off limits to me and it means I'm missing opportunities for some good prices on stuff I can't get at those I'm left with.

Pinnacle and Betfair A+
SBO A
daylight to the rest

[frauhanna]

For 12bet is the best for payouts they are really great

[Hareeba!]

For 12bet is the best for payouts they are really great

maybe good for payouts but a miserable $250 limit which (if they don't cut the odds in the meantime - which is most of the time) I can place three times a maximum $750.

[BubbleBobble]

Bet3.65 and Unibet A+, Pinny A...i think i've read it all on this forum now.

[lacoste]

Pinnacle & Betfair A+
Sbobet & 188bet A

[Docta Ignoranti]

I like the "real good" to "real shitty" scale.

Start with BetFair as real good and go down to BetCascade as real shitty and grade everyone else accordingly.

[Dunderfisk]

Thanks for the answers. That u get ur money back is really the most important thing. About this limiting thing, some bookies are really ridiculous. What they say when they limit is really this "We dont believe in our own ability to set correct odds. And since u have proven that u probably r better in determining the right odds we will cut ur limits."

Interwetten really shouldnt have that many points. After two bets I could only bet 50 dollars and in the end I wasnt allowed to bet 3 dollars, I could only bet 1 dollar. At Betsafe I usually only can bet 1 to 4 dollars but sometimes I can bet 12 dollars (after careful consideration of the risk departement, of course, usually takes about 20 mins to decide) But I will continue to send in requests until they realize it costs them more to read my requests than to let me bet.

I have always thought that Ladbrokes was a site for high rollers, but probably they are not. I dont bet more than 300 dollars on any game and mostly only 100. My limits at Ladbrokes are now 15 dollars. So the list of ridiculous and/or crooked limiting.

1. Interwetten 5000 points (because of limiting so u cant fulfil the rollover requirement)
2. Betsafe 2000 points (u have to send a request every time u want to bet more than 5 dollars)
3. Ladbrokes 1500 points (pretending to be a site for high rollers and limiting amateurs to 7 dollars)

[kin1949]

try betfair they have no limit( except commission charge)

[frauhanna]

maybe good for payouts but a miserable $250 limit which (if they don't cut the odds in the meantime - which is most of the time) I can place three times a maximum $750.

Maybe you're right. they lowered the bet limit but I think all of their members exp this one?

[Hareeba!]

So the list of ridiculous and/or crooked limiting.

1. Interwetten 5000 points (because of limiting so u cant fulfil the rollover requirement)
2. Betsafe 2000 points (u have to send a request every time u want to bet more than 5 dollars)
3. Ladbrokes 1500 points (pretending to be a site for high rollers and limiting amateurs to 7 dollars)

don't stop there!
you can add all the rest of the Euro based books to that
I've ended up closing about 25 of them as they became nothing but a waste of time

[Johnpoints]

Great thread...

[frank21]

Anyone in here ever heard of Robbie M\*\*\*\*\*\*?

[mminkovski]

Betfair is the best exchange.
Pinnacle - the best bookie.
Then I have some other favorites but only because they leave "sleeping" lines too long

[BET THE HOOK]

VIP.com gives me everything except for telephone wagering which drops them from an A+ to a B+

[Hareeba!]

VIP.com gives me everything except for telephone wagering which drops them from an A+ to a B+

start winning regularly and the next thing they give you will be the boot