[Spacefrog]

You guys were missing the big picture here. His strategy was in his bets!

Dealer won 48% of the time and Player won 43%, so how did he win?

40% of his hands were of bets of $1-$20
20% of his hands were bets of $50-200
34% of his hands were >$200.

"you don't play for over 2 months not having a losing day and call yourself a recreational player."

You're the one missing the big picture Hustle.

You don't need to win more hands than the dealer to be up. In BJ you decide when the hands are doubled, not the dealer. Winning 43% against 48% is very good even with same size bets. The guy did not need to win the big bets and lose the small ones, and that was not what happened for sure.

For every 999 losing guys that came here screaming "rigged" there is one lucky fellow who beats the house.

But the house is not willing to lose even that one time.

[Hu$tle]

I see 2 scenarios.

1. As he stated he grinded to the initial 20k then started placing bets in the 200+ range.

2. His bets flucualted between betting high and low picking spots, a edge I assume when you have multiple hands to use.

They claim "Matt he was not on a hot streak,". So they say option 1 is false, he says he chose option 1.

Someone is lying...

[5918mike]

The bottom line is that if you win they set up their terms and conditions to label you a professional and keep the money, that's what happens when you control everything and the player has little recourse, it's the risk we all take. My advice, take as much out as you can as you go, big balances online do the player little good.

[capone1899]

So you lose, its fine. Get on a hot streak, we're not paying. Got it

[trytrytry]

BETMAYOR = SCAM maybe the worst stealing reason in the history of offshore books here.... top 3 for sure..

[Igor_1965]

Can't count cards online Igor

Yes you can. Live Dealers

[capone1899]

Yes you can. Live Dealers

No you can't. Those 6 deck shoes are not 6 equal decks, they mix the shoes they way they want to. I've counted through the decks several times and the count was so far off by the time the shoe ended(every time) that the last 20 cards couldn't have made it up. I mean the count was was -37, -44 , 46, etc. Sometimes more

They cheat even when its live

[relaaxx]

Some ideas for a new BETMAYOR slogan..........

"You can play, but your not allowed to win"

" If you win here, you can go FCK yourself "

" Where winning is frowned upon "

" If you win here you must be doing something illegal "

" Play Here...Win Big...We're Not Worried...We Don't Plan On Paying You Anyway "

sums up the place perfectly - this is by far the worse excuse i have ever heard for not paying someone. and of course we have all heard some unbelievable shit.

[SBR Natalie]

BetMayor is unwilling to reverse their stance as of this time, and has been added to the scam sportsbook blacklist with a rating of F.

[PassTheDutchie]

You're the one missing the big picture Hustle.

Nope, I'm with Hustle on this one. I have analysed several runs of players that won big. If the stakes are split between very small and very big wagers, it's a huge red flag for us. Too bad they are not showing us the details of the hands, but if you see most of the losing bets are 10 usd and winning bets are 100 plus bets, you know something is going on.

a 87% optimal strategy is very common and that does not make it a winning strategy.
even an optimal strategy is still ev for the house unless there is a specific casino bonus in play.

[captrobey]

Nope, I'm with Hustle on this one. I have analysed several runs of players that won big. If the stakes are split between very small and very big wagers, it's a huge red flag for us. Too bad they are not showing us the details of the hands, but if you see most of the losing bets are 10 usd and winning bets are 100 plus bets, you know something is going on.

a 87% optimal strategy is very common and that does not make it a winning strategy.
even an optimal strategy is still ev for the house unless there is a specific casino bonus in play.

That has to be how he won he lost more then he won. I would love to see the hands. But they are not saying he cheated if i saw soomeone hit every big bet and lost smaller bets over and over i would be suspicious too. I have played on BMs site and it was really bad. It is liked most rigged against the player. Dealer gets an absurd amount of 20s and 21s at least a 3-1 ratio. If you ever played DSIs casino it is almost as bad as theirs and theirs is the worst out there i feel. I had them shut it down after getting destroyed a few times.So it blows my mind that he found a way to win $51000. But BM is admitting he did not cheat or use a bot or anything. So he should have been paid.

[dirtdog52658]

That has to be how he won he lost more then he won. I would love to see the hands. But they are not saying he cheated if i saw soomeone hit every big bet and lost smaller bets over and over i would be suspicious too. I have played on BMs site and it was really bad. It is liked most rigged against the player. Dealer gets an absurd amount of 20s and 21s at least a 3-1 ratio. If you ever played DSIs casino it is almost as bad as theirs and theirs is the worst out there i feel. I had them shut it down after getting destroyed a few times.So it blows my mind that he found a way to win $51000. But BM is admitting he did not cheat or use a bot or anything. So he should have been paid.

You don't necessarily need to win every big hand and lose the small ones to come out on top at the percentage he did. By hitting your doubles you can easily come out on top with a losing percentage of hands but +51k would probably be hard to achieve this way. This book is just taking the cheap way out of paying the guy. I've personally seen players go on blackjack runs on DGS software winning 5k a day for a month straight only to piss it back in 3 or 4 days of action afterwards. Shouldn't be too long until the book folds and closes up as people will be running for the hills after this incident.

[captrobey]

You don't necessarily need to win every big hand and lose the small ones to come out on top at the percentage he did. By hitting your doubles you can easily come out on top with a losing percentage of hands but +51k would probably be hard to achieve this way. This book is just taking the cheap way out of paying the guy. I've personally seen players go on blackjack runs on DGS software winning 5k a day for a month straight only to piss it back in 3 or 4 days of action afterwards. Shouldn't be too long until the book folds and closes up as people will be running for the hills after this incident.

The $51000 is the thing. If it was $8000 Ok i can see that with that % he had . But $51000 that is just amazing on that site again i had to shut it down it was so bad props to him for figuring something out. I do not remember what the maximum bet is either there .

[OTL]

The only professional bj players are card counters in casinos
85% chance of winning, lol,

Card counting is next to useless now that Casinos are using 6+ decks of cards.

Anyway, back to the topic, and I've never heard of this book. Why would anybody play at these sketchy books when there are so many good ones out there?

[captrobey]

Card counting is next to useless now that Casinos are using 6+ decks of cards.

Anyway, back to the topic, and I've never heard of this book. Why would anybody play at these sketchy books when there are so many good ones out there?

Because they have the best bonuses at times 130% cash. Plus they have good limits and up until this happened they paid a lot of people. If i deposit $500 at Dsi i would maybe get a 20% FP. As long as they paid (I got a total of $13000 out) why not as long as you do not deposit a huge amount. It is hard to deposit at like DSI or similar where if i deposit $500 i get a $100 FP but here i would deposit $500 i have $1100 or so to start with.

[cankid]

You all are looking to deep into this. There is no cheating at BJ online. The dude won money and the SCAM site won't pay the money. period. That's the price this dude should pay for depositing 5k at a online sportsbook that has no rating and only been open for business since 7/2014.

100% correct

[PassTheDutchie]

But BM is admitting he did not cheat or use a bot or anything. So he should have been paid.

They are not saying that he cheated, but they are thinking it. They are not saying it, cause it means they have to admit they were either hacked or the player knows the RNG of the software. Once they say that out loud it becomes a whole different conversation.

its that or they are just dumb or out of money or (prob) both.

[Kindred]

DGS has bugs and the books that use it know about it but don't care.

How else do you explain them banning and not paying that corey guy that would hit three royals on video poker?

SBR uses DGS in the casino, if I knew how to take advantage of the bug I'd bankrupt SBR and have free pizza for life

[BetterBizness]

I count all the time at blackjack...mostly when I'm drunk... I win lots when I'm drunk, I'd probably get banned for my magic blackjack strategy too...

[Kindred]

From reading that link;

"I'm not contending that the software has a bug or flaw, I'm stating he used a strategy that gives him over 85% chances of winning which is not recreational and so because of our rules we don't cater for his type of action.

They rated the player in "Category 3" (87%), meaning his strategy was 87% Optimal?
How do they figure that gives him over 85% chance of winning? Astounded by this.

It's not a difficult game and I'm sure most people who play it regularly would score pretty high on that.

Perfect strategy, even 100% perfect only keeps the house edge at the minimum. The house still has the edge and can't lose long term. And you can't count online, the deck is reshuffled every hand by the RNG.

If the victim actually new a way to exploit the software I doubt he'd waste his time on a mickey mouse book, he'd hit Bookmaker or one of the other books that use DGS and have a history of paying customers. The software has a bug, player shouldn't be penalized. It would be great if the more reputable books stopped using DGS, I haven't trusted it since the whole video poker scandal with corey.

[bettilimbroke999]

DGS has bugs and the books that use it know about it but don't care.

How else do you explain them banning and not paying that corey guy that would hit three royals on video poker?

SBR uses DGS in the casino, if I knew how to take advantage of the bug I'd bankrupt SBR and have free pizza for life

SBR poster Kindred has been barred from SBR blackjack after winning 51000 pizzas...Kindred's response was I just got on a hot run

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