[aylos84]

<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--> Tuesday 22^nd April…………..Wizards @ Bulls

• · Washington up 2 with 14 seconds left in OT. Chicago had the ball.

• · BetCRIS opened in play and I made the bet Chicago +2.5 +286 ($10k to win $28,600)

• · Washington wins the game by 2 so I should win the bet.

• · BetCRIS cancels the wager after the game saying the price was meant to be for the moneyline hence it is a bad line.

My argument:

• I 100% agree that they intended their price to be for the moneyline but the difference between the ML price and the +2.5 price is not big enough to say this is a bad line because most of the time Chicago will miss and foul and Washington will win the game by 3 or 4. +286 is obviously too big but I’m still a dog here. I should not have to pay for their mistake.

• If this is allowed it sets a president where any book can freeroll you in this situation.

• Live NBA prices in the last minute are volatile and can often steam 100 cents or more. Most books do not offer them for this reason. If you choose to offer $10k limits with 10 seconds to go and no other website has one, unless it is a “totally obvious” bad line it is “Caveat Emptor”.

• Pinnacle later opened a moneyline that moved 120 cents in 45 seconds. Did Pinnacle cancel the bets on Wizards ML at -180 because that price moved to -300?

• If I had lost this wager I would have accepted the $10k loss. If I came on this forum having lost this bet saying BetCris should refund my $10k because it was a ML price what would your response be?

I have been a customer of CRIS the past 13 years since I was 18 years old. $10k is a typical wager size for me and I turnover $200k+ each week with them. We have a good relationship. I just strongly disagree with their decision here.

[MoneylineExpress]

Sticky situation. Yeah if your bet lost, would have been no surprise if they screwed you over. But they have a right to cancel bad lines.

[rangerz2478]

I was following the game, and they 100% SHOULD have cancelled your bet. It was Chicago ball down 2 with 14 seconds left. Anyone who follows live nba knows they 100% meant moneyline. I saw the exact bet at the exact time and my instant reaction within half of a second was, that has to be the moneyline. +2.5 in THAT spot would have been a heavy minus and you got +286 on it.

As obvious of a line error as it gets, and you have no case.

[rangerz2478]

Tuesday 22^nd April…………..Wizards @ Bulls

• · Washington up 2 with 14 seconds left in OT. Chicago had the ball.

• · BetCRIS opened in play and I made the bet Chicago +2.5 +286 ($10k to win $28,600)

• · Washington wins the game by 2 so I should win the bet.

• · BetCRIS cancels the wager after the game saying the price was meant to be for the moneyline hence it is a bad line.

My argument:

• I 100% agree that they intended their price to be for the moneyline but the difference between the ML price and the +2.5 price is not big enough to say this is a bad line because most of the time Chicago will miss and foul and Washington will win the game by 3 or 4. +286 is obviously too big but I’m still a dog here. I should not have to pay for their mistake.

• If this is allowed it sets a president where any book can freeroll you in this situation.

• Live NBA prices in the last minute are volatile and can often steam 100 cents or more. Most books do not offer them for this reason. If you choose to offer $10k limits with 10 seconds to go and no other website has one, unless it is a “totally obvious” bad line it is “Caveat Emptor”.

• Pinnacle later opened a moneyline that moved 120 cents in 45 seconds. Did Pinnacle cancel the bets on Wizards ML at -180 because that price moved to -300?

• If I had lost this wager I would have accepted the $10k loss. If I came on this forum having lost this bet saying BetCris should refund my $10k because it was a ML price what would your response be?

I have been a customer of CRIS the past 13 years since I was 18 years old. $10k is a typical wager size for me and I turnover $200k+ each week with them. We have a good relationship. I just strongly disagree with their decision here.

Sorry man but this is complete nonsense and you seem smart enough to know that. You can't claim ignorance here. With 14 seconds left, Bulls +2.5 HAS to be a minus bet, you are not a dog here. In that spot the chances of them scoring or missing with time running out is more likely than a miss and board with time left on the clock.

[rangerz2478]

Tuesday 22^nd April…………..Wizards @ Bulls

• · Washington up 2 with 14 seconds left in OT. Chicago had the ball.

• · BetCRIS opened in play and I made the bet Chicago +2.5 +286 ($10k to win $28,600)

• · Washington wins the game by 2 so I should win the bet.

• · BetCRIS cancels the wager after the game saying the price was meant to be for the moneyline hence it is a bad line.

My argument:

• I 100% agree that they intended their price to be for the moneyline but the difference between the ML price and the +2.5 price is not big enough to say this is a bad line because most of the time Chicago will miss and foul and Washington will win the game by 3 or 4. +286 is obviously too big but I’m still a dog here. I should not have to pay for their mistake.

• If this is allowed it sets a president where any book can freeroll you in this situation.

• Live NBA prices in the last minute are volatile and can often steam 100 cents or more. Most books do not offer them for this reason. If you choose to offer $10k limits with 10 seconds to go and no other website has one, unless it is a “totally obvious” bad line it is “Caveat Emptor”.

• Pinnacle later opened a moneyline that moved 120 cents in 45 seconds. Did Pinnacle cancel the bets on Wizards ML at -180 because that price moved to -300?

• If I had lost this wager I would have accepted the $10k loss. If I came on this forum having lost this bet saying BetCris should refund my $10k because it was a ML price what would your response be?

I have been a customer of CRIS the past 13 years since I was 18 years old. $10k is a typical wager size for me and I turnover $200k+ each week with them. We have a good relationship. I just strongly disagree with their decision here.

That pinnacle price moved after a possession it didn't move from -180 to -300 because of steam. Gotta put the right context on this.

[caveira]

Sticky situation. Yeah if your bet lost, would have been no surprise if they screwed you over. But they have a right to cancel bad lines.

Sometimes i think that books do this kind of "mistake" just to get some free money, they can void if you had a winner bet, but they can keep it if it was a loser bet.

[bostonboss]

Sometimes i think that books do this kind of "mistake" just to get some free money, they can void if you had a winner bet, but they can keep it if it was a loser bet.

this...I don't really trust these guys at bookmaker they use to try to screw me with winnings from horse wagers.

[capone1899]

You got freerolled, but they did have the right to cancel it

[acw]

Sometimes i think that books do this kind of "mistake" just to get some free money, they can void if you had a winner bet, but they can keep it if it was a loser bet.

+1

In this case they could have done a Bet365er, as the intended line was probably PK, so simply correct the line and declare his bet a loser!

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/bet365/

In the last year Bet365 has altered player's wagers in live betting, changing spreads they deemed to have been offered erroneously to "correct" market odds after the event. This essentially gave players wagers they did not place and replaced winning bets with losers. Bet365 does not list a policy that suggests they may alter in-game wagers. Players should avoid in-game wagering at Bet365. Bet365 has stated that this action is taken with professional traders who are aware of the market and the line being incorrect.

[oneorangeball]

Well, sorry guy, but since you have 13 years of experience and $10k is a typical wager size for you, you can't ignore that was obviously a bad line...And therefore they have right to void your bet

[Smithers]

Easy cancel no doubt about it.

[legendmatt34]

i had a similiar situation with bovada in a hockey bet on live not a severe as yours i shoulda been payed i made a bet w 15 minutes left in period. funny how they waited til after the period to make it a no bet. cheats i woulda been ok but not happy i coulda easily lost what i bet was no lock just a better ml. but they waited 30 minutes real time to say no action thats bullshit

[oneorangeball]

Although the book has right to void the bet as it is bad line, it's almost sure, as Caveira says it that "books do this kind of "mistake" just to get some free money, they can void if you had a winner bet, but they can keep it if it was a loser bet.", and unfortunately what can we do against it?

[Smithers]

and unfortunately what can we do against it?

How about not betting a blatant obvious bad line as described above ? Chicago +2.5 +286 ??

• · Washington up 2 with 14 seconds left in OT. Chicago had the ball.

What do you think the chances are that the Bulls score here ? For total simplicity lets make it 33% and assume that the wizards have a 0% chance of scoring back and the bulls have a 0% of scoring a 3.
So 66% of the time the bet is a winner and if they go to OT game is most likely very close to 50% 50%.
So in other words line would be fair around -500 for the +2.5.

[rangerz2478]

How about not betting a blatant obvious bad line as described above ? Chicago +2.5 +286 ??

• · Washington up 2 with 14 seconds left in OT. Chicago had the ball.

What do you think the chances are that the Bulls score here ? For total simplicity lets make it 33% and assume that the wizards have a 0% chance of scoring back and the bulls have a 0% of scoring a 3.
So 66% of the time the bet is a winner and if they go to OT game is most likely very close to 50% 50%.
So in other words line would be fair around -500 for the +2.5.

-500 for the +2.5 is ridiculously extreme, but a -150 to -200 type line would be more fair. Certainly not the +286.