[Hareeba!]

There's another new player on the block now. Regulated in NSW.

Classicbet.com.au

I haven't joined up yet and would be interested in hearing from anyone with any feedback.

[tommygun]

how did u find that book^?

[Hareeba!]

how did u find that book^?

I have scouts and spies

[tommygun]

I have scouts and spies

[Terminators]

Sportsbet, Sportingbet/Centrebet, TomWaterhouse, Betstar, Bet365, Ladbrokes and Luxbet I would think are all much the same. They do offer fair odds and lines but all are cowards who will severely limit or ban you if you show any talent. I can't bet with any of them any more so just going from what I do recall and what others are saying.

TAB is probably worthwhile until they flag your account and all bets get referred to traders who limit your winnings to $100!

For me the only options for AFL are:
Topsport - 1.92 lines and for up to $200 even money lines for the first 4 rounds of the season
Palmerbet - similar and even money lines for up to $200 all season
PuntingPal - 1.95 lines and the odd special double
Tattsbet - shorter odds but sometimes better lines
Pinnacle, Betfair and Matchbook
I'd recommend all of these.

Good luck.

Topsport seem to have pushed their $2 lines beyond the first 4 rounds this season. Up and available atm for Rd 6 and were available last week. Max $200. Big benefit is they get them up fairly early in the week and they stay up until first bounce.

Betstar only have their $2 lines up for 2 hours before each match although sometimes on Sat / Sund they'll put a few games up at the same time. Palmer are up for 3 hours on a Friday night, $200 max.

If you're not restricted most Aussie corporates have good special offers on AFL. TW has "Take on Tom" with good prices for Friday AFL (and NRL). Sportingbet have offers almost every week, as do Sportsbet. Betezy with decent offers recently since Tripp took the reins.

[Hareeba!]

Topsport seem to have pushed their $2 lines beyond the first 4 rounds this season. Up and available atm for Rd 6 and were available last week. Max $200. Big benefit is they get them up fairly early in the week and they stay up until first bounce.

Yes. Excellent news. Same for Palmerbet.
AFL, NRL and Super 15.
Plenty of scope to try and pick off a few middles too

[Hareeba!]

Betezy with decent offers recently since Tripp took the reins.

I find them next to useless due to very small limits.
One attempt to back a horse last weekend saw me limited to THREE CENTS!

[vitas27]

Sportsbet, Sportingbet/Centrebet, TomWaterhouse, Betstar, Bet365, Ladbrokes and Luxbet I would think are all much the same. They do offer fair odds and lines but all are cowards who will severely limit or ban you if you show any talent. I can't bet with any of them any more so just going from what I do recall and what others are saying.

TAB is probably worthwhile until they flag your account and all bets get referred to traders who limit your winnings to $100!

For me the only options for AFL are:
Topsport - 1.92 lines and for up to $200 even money lines for the first 4 rounds of the season
Palmerbet - similar and even money lines for up to $200 all season
PuntingPal - 1.95 lines and the odd special double
Tattsbet - shorter odds but sometimes better lines
Pinnacle, Betfair and Matchbook
I'd recommend all of these.

Good luck.

Talent? What talent do you have? Taking anything over Betfair or Pinnacle, or leaching off others opinion isn't talent. Perhaps if you had an opinion of your own you might get on somewhere.

Somebody that will not back their own opinion is the true coward.

[Hareeba!]

Talent? What talent do you have? Taking anything over Betfair or Pinnacle, or leaching off others opinion isn't talent. Perhaps if you had an opinion of your own you might get on somewhere.

Somebody that will not back their own opinion is the true coward.

I can smell a coward or one of their employees a mile away.

Talent in beating the closing line is enough.

[allin1]

Talent? What talent do you have? Taking anything over Betfair or Pinnacle, or leaching off others opinion isn't talent. Perhaps if you had an opinion of your own you might get on somewhere.

Somebody that will not back their own opinion is the true coward.

[Hareeba!]

yep, quite extraordinary

but he's very obviously on the dark side

I'm prepared to bet .. he isn't!

[allin1]

yep, quite extraordinary

but he's very obviously on the dark side

I'm prepared to bet .. he isn't!

you really think he's an employee ?

could he be just a long time "admirer" too brave to post with his real username?

[vitas27]

It's pretty simple. Hareeba calls bookmakers cowards, but he is too gutless to bet his own opinion. Every bet he has falls into the 3 critieria I posted - the price is over Betfair, the price is over Pinnacle or he is following somebody.

If he wants to get set at the books he bitches about he wouldn't have a problem if he bet his own opinion. But he is, to use his own phrase, a "gutless coward".

[vitas27]

yep, quite extraordinary

but he's very obviously on the dark side

I'm prepared to bet .. he isn't!

Yeh, I know your betting patterns but I'm not a bookmaker? Your antics are pretty much a joke in the industry. At least you tip us off when a price goes over Pinnacle or Betfair.

[allin1]

It's pretty simple. Hareeba calls bookmakers cowards, but he is too gutless to bet his own opinion. Every bet he has falls into the 3 critieria I posted - the price is over Betfair, the price is over Pinnacle or he is following somebody.

If he wants to get set at the books he bitches about he wouldn't have a problem if he bet his own opinion. But he is, to use his own phrase, a "gutless coward".

Yeh, I know your betting patterns but I'm not a bookmaker? Your antics are pretty much a joke in the industry. At least you tip us off when a price goes over Pinnacle or Betfair.

You say if he would bet his own opinion he wouldn't have a problem but if his opinion would beat the closing line on a regular basis, he won't last long at any book.

You know so much about his betting patterns that I can see why hareeba is saying you work or worked for a bookmaker.

You seem to know this forum so the chances that these are really your first posts here are slim. Why don't you use your real username?

[Hareeba!]

Yeh, I know your betting patterns but I'm not a bookmaker? Your antics are pretty much a joke in the industry. At least you tip us off when a price goes over Pinnacle or Betfair.

The only way you could know about my betting patterns and they tip you off would be if you are working for one of those parasitic cowards. No you're not a bookmaker. A bookmaker takes bets from all comers. Sadly they are a dying breed and only a few remain.

My "antics" are a joke?
What "antics"?
All I have ever done within the industry is place bets and campaign as loudly as I can about punters being denied a fair go.

[Hareeba!]

It's pretty simple. Hareeba calls bookmakers cowards, but he is too gutless to bet his own opinion. Every bet he has falls into the 3 critieria I posted - the price is over Betfair, the price is over Pinnacle or he is following somebody.

If he wants to get set at the books he bitches about he wouldn't have a problem if he bet his own opinion. But he is, to use his own phrase, a "gutless coward".

Priceless!

"too gutless to bet his own opinion"?
How the F would you know what my opinion is?
Every bet I place is because my opinion is that the odds represent value.
There are numerous "bookies" out there who just refuse to take a bet. I'm game but they aren't so who's the coward in that?

"the price is over Betfair, the price is over Pinnacle"
Hellooooo!!!
FFS! If you don't offer better odds why would I bother trying to bet with you rather than at Betfair or Pinnacle.
This is what punters with even half a clue do every day!
Just confirmation that the cowards want only clueless mugs who don't care what odds they accept.

And as to following somebody: so what?
Yes, I do have a stable of sports and racing specialists who I have found to be worth following.
I can't be a master of all trades. It makes sense. But that's not "every bet" as you state. I have my own strategies as well.
And for you to criticise me for following others, where do you get your odds from? LOL.

"he wouldn't have a problem if he bet his own opinion"
oh yeah?
So you can get all those parasitic cowards who've closed my accounts to start allowing me to bet again if I am betting my "own opinion"?
HTF would you know who's opinion it is?

I'm such a coward that nine years ago I elected to leave the business world and a tidy income behind and take up full time punting.

[allin1]

Priceless!

"too gutless to bet his own opinion"?
How the F would you know what my opinion is?
Every bet I place is because my opinion is that the odds represent value.
There are numerous "bookies" out there who just refuse to take a bet. I'm game but they aren't so who's the coward in that?

"the price is over Betfair, the price is over Pinnacle"
Hellooooo!!!
FFS! If you don't offer better odds why would I bother trying to bet with you rather than at Betfair or Pinnacle.
This is what punters with even half a clue do every day!
Just confirmation that the cowards want only clueless mugs who don't care what odds they accept.

...

...

I'm such a coward that nine years ago I elected to leave the business world and a tidy income behind and take up full time punting.

most people that have ever placed a bet would admire anyone who manages to make a living out of it.

[Hareeba!]

I experienced no limitations for about the first three weeks but then they started to limit my fixed odds bets to $1,000 max stake on 1.95 lines and reject others. Seems rather haphazard.
I was utilising my free bets on golf futures, staking to win $5000+ but have now been cut back to a max of $500!
The tote based (BOB) racing bets however so far have been unlimited.

Unfortunately those limits just keep falling.
The $1,000 is now history.
Last week it was $500.
This week was $400.
And today down to $350

[Optional]

Yeh, I know your betting patterns but I'm not a bookmaker? Your antics are pretty much a joke in the industry. At least you tip us off when a price goes over Pinnacle or Betfair.

The only reason 'the industry' would give a shit about Hareeba is if he beats them.

So he must beat you big time for the whole industry to be talking about what a joke he is!



Ever noticed how many sportsbook or casino site drones seem so bitter and hateful toward their own customers? Used to have a small involvement in an online casino operation. The employees disgusted me how stupid and petty they almost all become toward players.

Has to be one of the lowest jobs there is imho. Sportsbook or casino program clerk. Vast majority are just horrible human beings in my experience.

[tommygun]

sounds like Hareeba is taking theses bookies to the cleaners. Few angry muppets.

[Hareeba!]

sounds like Hareeba is taking theses bookies to the cleaners. Few angry muppets.

Hardly!
They've nearly all banned or limited me to betting in peanuts so pretty hard to clean them out.
I'd thank God for Betfair, Matchbook, Pinnacle and SBO except I'm a devout atheist

[Gimonas]

The thing that annoys me the most is that the Oz government won't allow online in-play betting to supposedly protect the punter from losing, yet at the same time they allow bookies to only take bets off losing customers. Unbelievable.

So as much as I think the likes of Centrebet and Sportsbet are cowards, it's really up to the government to step in and do something about it.

[allin1]

The thing that annoys me the most is that the Oz government won't allow online in-play betting to supposedly protect the punter from losing, yet at the same time they allow bookies to only take bets off losing customers. Unbelievable.

So as much as I think the likes of Centrebet and Sportsbet are cowards, it's really up to the government to step in and do something about it.

Letting bookies to only take bets off losing customers is the same as in the casino industry. Unless the government makes both (casinos and bookies) illegal I can't see any other way of stopping them do this.

The ban on in-play betting is interesting. What is the reason for it?

[Hareeba!]

The ban on in-play betting is interesting. What is the reason for it?

Very simply it is that the anti-gambling lobby has managed to convince enough ignorant and timid politicians that it would lead to more "problem gambling".

[allin1]

Very simply it is that the anti-gambling lobby has managed to convince enough ignorant and timid politicians that it would lead to more "problem gambling".

probably not ignorant or timid, just corrupt

I still can't imagine the justification for this "problem gambling"

[Hareeba!]

probably not ignorant or timid, just corrupt

I still can't imagine the justification for this "problem gambling"

Perhaps it's a corrupt one we need to see a legislation change pushed through?

Want to hear the "justification"? Ask Nick Xenophon or Tim Costello.

[Optional]

Hareeba is right, it's about appeasing Xenophon and the genuine justification is problem gambling.

A big argument has been that it appeals to young people so much more and we don't need to create a new generation of regular gamblers.

It's annoying but I have a tough time arguing they are wrong.

I'm sure it will come in time though.

[Gimonas]

Hareeba is right, it's about appeasing Xenophon and the genuine justification is problem gambling.

A big argument has been that it appeals to young people so much more and we don't need to create a new generation of regular gamblers.

It's annoying but I have a tough time arguing they are wrong.

I'm sure it will come in time though.

What ever happened to being able to make our own decisions and being responsible for our own actions? A thing of the past it seems, Oz government more likely to ban betting altogether than allow in-play betting.

Australia was once a great nation, land of the free and all that, now it's just one big nanny nation balls deep in red tape. Life here in New Zealand is much less restricted, it's the land of the free that Australia used to be.

[Hareeba!]

What ever happened to being able to make our own decisions and being responsible for our own actions? A thing of the past it seems, Oz government more likely to ban betting altogether than allow in-play betting.

Australia was once a great nation, land of the free and all that, now it's just one big nanny nation balls deep in red tape. Life here in New Zealand is much less restricted, it's the land of the free that Australia used to be.

Hmmm .... I might have to leap across the ditch

[antonyp22]

Priceless!

"too gutless to bet his own opinion"?
How the F would you know what my opinion is?
Every bet I place is because my opinion is that the odds represent value.
There are numerous "bookies" out there who just refuse to take a bet. I'm game but they aren't so who's the coward in that?

"the price is over Betfair, the price is over Pinnacle"
Hellooooo!!!
FFS! If you don't offer better odds why would I bother trying to bet with you rather than at Betfair or Pinnacle.
This is what punters with even half a clue do every day!
Just confirmation that the cowards want only clueless mugs who don't care what odds they accept.

And as to following somebody: so what?
Yes, I do have a stable of sports and racing specialists who I have found to be worth following.
I can't be a master of all trades. It makes sense. But that's not "every bet" as you state. I have my own strategies as well.
And for you to criticise me for following others, where do you get your odds from? LOL.

"he wouldn't have a problem if he bet his own opinion"
oh yeah?
So you can get all those parasitic cowards who've closed my accounts to start allowing me to bet again if I am betting my "own opinion"?
HTF would you know who's opinion it is?

I'm such a coward that nine years ago I elected to leave the business world and a tidy income behind and take up full time punting.

Have seen that you mention that you have specialists that you tend to follow on certain sports. I'm a uni student and I've already formulated my own AFL model that I bet with successfully but looking to get the income up a bit with other sports. Any sources that you would share/recommend?

[Hareeba!]

Have seen that you mention that you have specialists that you tend to follow on certain sports. I'm a uni student and I've already formulated my own AFL model that I bet with successfully but looking to get the income up a bit with other sports. Any sources that you would share/recommend?

Mate, it's tough enough going getting set at quoted or even reasonable odds with the limited number of agencies I am able to bet with without me divulging my sources.
It's taken me years of research, locating and testing numerous tipsters and methods.
I wish you all the best but I'm afraid you're going to need to do your own research.

[antonyp22]

Mate, it's tough enough going getting set at quoted or even reasonable odds with the limited number of agencies I am able to bet with without me divulging my sources.
It's taken me years of research, locating and testing numerous tipsters and methods.
I wish you all the best but I'm afraid you're going to need to do your own research.

No worries mate didn't think you'd let much go but thought I'd try my luck anyway!

[Optional]

What ever happened to being able to make our own decisions and being responsible for our own actions? A thing of the past it seems, Oz government more likely to ban betting altogether than allow in-play betting.

Australia was once a great nation, land of the free and all that, now it's just one big nanny nation balls deep in red tape. Life here in New Zealand is much less restricted, it's the land of the free that Australia used to be.

When has Australia ever not been a 'nanny state'? And land of the free?! Australia does not even have a right to freedom of speech let alone being a land of the free. We love govt meddling in our business in comparison to Americans.

I think NZ is a lovely place btw. Would be just as happy to live there as here. And agree a visit is like traveling back in time 20 years from Australia, attitude wise.

[tommygun]

xenophon can piss off, wish he would get lost