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    Heritage blackjack 45 out of 55 hands are a 20

    This is by far the most corrupt casino on the internet. They have made it impossible to win there and they have redesigned their blackjack so you cant see your hand history. You also cant surrender. I am just fed up with their bullshit. At least show me the hand history. How big of a scam are you running when you dont even let the player see how bad hes getting fukked.

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    Just keep playing till you win.
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    Just wait. People will say that the sample size is too small and that hands are played faster online.....if these online casinos are legit as some people claim, why are we not seeing variance going the other way? How often do you see a player start a thread and say that he got 20 against the dealer 45/55 hand? It never happens. The variance card is always going in the direction of losing. It is never "I just won 30/33 hands" if this was true variance, there would be an equal number of winners over a small sample size compared to losers. Maybe all the winners are counting their money and too busy to make a thread about how much they won over such a short sample size
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    Blackjack is hard enough in person, let alone, online with SO many unknown variables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timbaland99 View Post
    Just wait. People will say that the sample size is too small and that hands are played faster online.....if these online casinos are legit as some people claim, why are we not seeing variance going the other way? How often do you see a player start a thread and say that he got 20 against the dealer 45/55 hand? It never happens. The variance card is always going in the direction of losing. It is never "I just won 30/33 hands" if this was true variance, there would be an equal number of winners over a small sample size compared to losers. Maybe all the winners are counting their money and too busy to make a thread about how much they won over such a short sample size
    I had 5 straight flushes in 12,000 hands playing pick'em poker. You should get one every 38,500 hands. Chances of me getting 5 in 12,000 hands is around 50,000-1. Is that enough variance going the other way for you?

    Make no mistake, there are some online casino programs that are rigged. That's been proven. There are some that's legit too, that's been proven as well. If people want to know the validity of a program, it's not that hard to prove one way or another. But even though it's fairly easy to do, almost nobody does. They just bitch and moan about something being rigged, and then they keep playing it. Either prove it one way or another, or stop playing it all together. But to claim something is rigged against you, not prove it, and then continue to play on it, just doesn't make any sense.

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    The only way to fight back is for people to stop playing at these scam casinos online. If players refrain from participating operators would be forced to make changes. Meaning they would have to make their games fair. To continue playing even though one knows it's rigged is doing nothing but paying the very entity which is ripping you off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indio View Post
    I had 5 straight flushes in 12,000 hands playing pick'em poker. You should get one every 38,500 hands. Chances of me getting 5 in 12,000 hands is around 50,000-1. Is that enough variance going the other way for you?

    Make no mistake, there are some online casino programs that are rigged. That's been proven. There are some that's legit too, that's been proven as well. If people want to know the validity of a program, it's not that hard to prove one way or another. But even though it's fairly easy to do, almost nobody does. They just bitch and moan about something being rigged, and then they keep playing it. Either prove it one way or another, or stop playing it all together. But to claim something is rigged against you, not prove it, and then continue to play on it, just doesn't make any sense.
    in today's world the online casino owners would probably be considered stupid and/or economically challenged if they would not rigg the software ... and this is valid for poker too (maybe not actually rigged, but adjusted to increase the revenues)

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    No matter if it is rigged or not the bank has the edge anyway and you will lose in the long term. Acutally rigged software helps you losing your money faster so you have more free time doing other things than gambling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnkelChris View Post
    No matter if it is rigged or not the bank has the edge anyway and you will lose in the long term. Acutally rigged software helps you losing your money faster so you have more free time doing other things than gambling.
    So they are doing us a favor by ripping us off fast? LOL, seriously I get what your saying but anyway you dice it up it's still unethical. We all know the "Bank" has the edge overall so in all actuality there is no need to rig their software the way they do other than greed. In my opinion it's plain dumb because word is getting around about online casinos being rigged more often then not and anyone with self control and half a brain knows to stay away and those who don't are being victimized by these criminals. That's the bottomline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikail View Post
    So they are doing us a favor by ripping us off fast? LOL, seriously I get what your saying but anyway you dice it up it's still unethical. We all know the "Bank" has the edge overall so in all actuality there is no need to rig their software the way they do other than greed. In my opinion it's plain dumb because word is getting around about online casinos being rigged more often then not and anyone with self control and half a brain knows to stay away and those who don't are being victimized by these criminals. That's the bottomline.
    I think Mikail that playing Live has a better edge then Playing the straight Virtual crap. At Youwager the Live Casino is still going but they shut down the rest. I actually when i went onto the Live at Betmania did really well but it did not matter as they screwed me on my Limits . I notice a lot of times when i am losing and playing Live the girl will be taking my money and saying something to someone else and laughing which annoys me. But i do better on Live overall especially if i a just trying to win a little(Go From $500 to $700 )to get a bigger sports bet in.
    On the straight Virtual i do not know how many times i try to turn $1975 into $2000 and end up losing 30/35 hands and lose everything. On live i have not lost it like that as much.
    My biggest hits were when i stayed out of Casino. RW has no Casino and i have cashed out several times. Youwager Once after they blocked the Casino .
    But i wonder if maybe the Live is rigged too. At Betmania the cards were doing weird things on the table. Like one hand the dealers down card i could see. Then on many others the cards were not disappearing before the next dealt hand. So the new cards were there PLUS the old ones all over the place. On the actual dealers table it was fine. But on mine there were cards everywhere. It was so weird i was waiting for a leprechaun to run across the table. I was still winning though despite that. But i can see that if they wanted they can virtually put a card they want there. Especially when you have that delay before dealer turns card over. Sometimes it says you already lost a good 6-10 secs before she even turns the card over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timbaland99 View Post
    Just wait. People will say that the sample size is too small and that hands are played faster online.....if these online casinos are legit as some people claim, why are we not seeing variance going the other way? How often do you see a player start a thread and say that he got 20 against the dealer 45/55 hand? It never happens. The variance card is always going in the direction of losing. It is never "I just won 30/33 hands" if this was true variance, there would be an equal number of winners over a small sample size compared to losers. Maybe all the winners are counting their money and too busy to make a thread about how much they won over such a short sample size
    I have said the exact thing before. I have NEVER had the amount of wins in a row that i have when i have lost. Nowhere close. On Sportsbet i am lucky to win 3 in a row or to even get a 20. After adding up everything which i always do when i look at History the dealer every time has 20-21 at LEAST 4Xs more then i do. Only once have i actually had more .

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    I lost count how many times the dealer would get blackjack then the next hand would also be another blackjack or 21. This happened many, many times. It was almost a joke. I know all casinos are rigged but there is no reason a place like Heritage should not provide hand history. That is essential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordVodka View Post
    I lost count how many times the dealer would get blackjack then the next hand would also be another blackjack or 21. This happened many, many times. It was almost a joke. I know all casinos are rigged but there is no reason a place like Heritage should not provide hand history. That is essential.
    Yea i agree with you. Have you tried the Live BJ grant it i still do not trust them totally but i seem to do a bit better there. That is not right they do not have a history. And if you say something to them they will feed you garbage on how fair they are because they are monitored.
    I have seen runs like that(Never in my or your favor of course) on Sportbet. They are my vote for worst Virtual Casino . They do have a history so you can see the insane streaks that the dealer always gets.
    Get this - i had never had any luck on SBR casino. In 2 years i never had anything and lost all my points everyday. Then i end up not being a Pro and just get the 6 points a day. I go in there with 24 points. I ended up taking this up to (Including a 2000 win in Sports betting ) to 10300 points. I figure use 3000 for renewal and the rest i can FINALLY in all these years maybe get a gift card or something.

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    i won 2500 one day at bookmaker yrs ago playing off a 115 dollar balance playing blackjack.....you win sometimes lose most....I go to Mohegan sun on occasion I win sometime lose most....at least I get free drinks there. live casino the delay is suspect plus the girls are always touching the shoe and acting suspicious

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    Quote Originally Posted by bostonboss View Post
    i won 2500 one day at bookmaker yrs ago playing off a 115 dollar balance playing blackjack.....you win sometimes lose most....I go to Mohegan sun on occasion I win sometime lose most....at least I get free drinks there. live casino the delay is suspect plus the girls are always touching the shoe and acting suspicious
    Funny you said that about the shoe. I noticed that too. She would touch the shoe 3/4 th of the way up for no reason here and there . I know it is live but are not the cards there when you are looking at them still virtual? I say this because st Betmania the cards were doing weird things which lead me to believe they were images projected onto the cards. Like one hand i was able to see the dealers down card when i should not have. Plus there were times that the old cards from the last hand were still on the screen after the new cards wer dealt. So there were all these cards in front of me. There were even a couple times there was a card on the table that apparently was not supposed to be there. Like there would be a 7 on the dealers side but it was like it just was not there.I think i saw it but noone else did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captrobey View Post
    Funny you said that about the shoe. I noticed that too. She would touch the shoe 3/4 th of the way up for no reason here and there . I know it is live but are not the cards there when you are looking at them still virtual? I say this because st Betmania the cards were doing weird things which lead me to believe they were images projected onto the cards. Like one hand i was able to see the dealers down card when i should not have. Plus there were times that the old cards from the last hand were still on the screen after the new cards wer dealt. So there were all these cards in front of me. There were even a couple times there was a card on the table that apparently was not supposed to be there. Like there would be a 7 on the dealers side but it was like it just was not there.I think i saw it but noone else did.
    this has happened to me as well though I won with all the cards on the table so im thinking it was just a glitch of the software. when I played with legends a lot of shady stuff happened...the lights went out once and it said dealer had blackjack though by the time the lights came back on the hand was over.....other times I was not given a choice to stay or hit...sometimes they flip the cards real slow..always to pull a hand..when they pull quick they bust.....changes in delay....its kinda comical..though the very little that I play I will say I do ok and they seem to let you win more than the regular blackjack.

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    Dude online casinos are so insanely rigged its not even funny. Don't even try with them you'll never even break even.

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    ive won 4 figures several times on the live casino once on the reg.....you wont come out ahead in any situation but people on occasion do win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiDBaZkiT View Post
    Dude online casinos are so insanely rigged its not even funny. Don't even try with them you'll never even break even.
    I agree in God knows how long i am nowhere near up .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bostonboss View Post
    ive won 4 figures several times on the live casino once on the reg.....you wont come out ahead in any situation but people on occasion do win.
    Maybe on live if it is really legit. You mentiones before you were winning so you just let it go. I was winning too at Betmania but they did get $100 when the screen froze i had to disconnect and come back on later. So they got $100 but i was still way up . So like you i just let it go when all the weird stuff was happening.But after seeing it all i can see that if they wanted they can screw you with virtually manipulating the cards.

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    The online casino is super rigged but the Heritage live dealers are legit. I've won $5k playing the Casino Holdem before starting with $100. I've also won on several occasions on the blackjack but had most luck playing the Casino Holdem. It's kind of difficult to manipulate the live dealing(not impossible but difficult). The only way I can see them manipulating it is by running a premade tape of the hands or visually manipulating but again it's super hard and in the long run , they're gonna take your money so why risk that chance.

    Again , do the live dealers not the fixed casino software version.

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    Its all random

    The key to any casino is ride winning streaks and if you lose quick get out come back later or maybe log out and re log in with a different table

    I would think live games are better because slower

    Heritage is very very respected and many people win playing their casinos and people lose also like any other book

    Casino software does get audits for authenticity

    Its pure luck and random

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    Quote Originally Posted by captrobey View Post
    Get this - i had never had any luck on SBR casino. In 2 years i never had anything and lost all my points everyday. Then i end up not being a Pro and just get the 6 points a day. I go in there with 24 points. I ended up taking this up to (Including a 2000 win in Sports betting ) to 10300 points. I figure use 3000 for renewal and the rest i can FINALLY in all these years maybe get a gift card or something.
    I think you will lose some points due to the fact that you are renewing as a non-PRO

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    Quote Originally Posted by horja1 View Post
    I think you will lose some points due to the fact that you are renewing as a non-PRO
    I got it up to over 11600 points now. They first denied my Pro renewal but then sent me a reply to resend it and it will be processed. So if i keep like 3000 points at least i can still finally get something out of the store after Over 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Its all random

    The key to any casino is ride winning streaks and if you lose quick get out come back later or maybe log out and re log in with a different table

    I would think live games are better because slower

    Heritage is very very respected and many people win playing their casinos and people lose also like any other book

    Casino software does get audits for authenticity

    Its pure luck and random
    Pointless, fictional, and completely ridiculous post.

    You sound like when the books give you the cut and paste response as to how they're uadited and the RNG makes the casino fair play. It's a crock of sh*t, bottom line. Nothing about online casino's are fair, nothing.

    Audits and obligations such as that are irrelevant. These books are present in countries where shady things, as well as bribes happen all the time.

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    I am done with heritage and sbr. They are now messaging me and wanting my account info. Sorry but penetrate off

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    I don't like heritage too much anymore myself. I've played roulette with them where the number 5 hit 9 times in a row and black hit close to 20 times in a row

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangers901 View Post
    Pointless, fictional, and completely ridiculous post.

    You sound like when the books give you the cut and paste response as to how they're uadited and the RNG makes the casino fair play. It's a crock of sh*t, bottom line. Nothing about online casino's are fair, nothing.

    Audits and obligations such as that are irrelevant. These books are present in countries where shady things, as well as bribes happen all the time.
    well said.

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    Sorry but there is nothing random at Heritage and I've played at all the recommended SBR sportsbooks. Their casino, after playing tons of blackjack at all of them, is the most unfair.

    Audits mean nothing. I'm going to hire Vinnie to come audit my books. Great.

    And when a sportsbook tells you you're going to lose in their general rules, then be sure you will lose with the best basic strategy. There are few if any positive streaks at Heritage.


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    You guys are hilarious. It's blackjack. Anyone... ANYONE expecting to make a profit from a casino is retarded. Period. These guys are not holding donation funds. They are doing business. You ARE going to lose. If people win, they go bankrupt.

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    Heritage told us that they tried to contact poster LordVodka to review his claim but he declined to discuss...Not much more that we can ask from CS. Players can also contact SBR with feedback or complaints.

    Heritage uses casino software from a third party, they have no control of the game outcomes. It's software that is used elsewhere and tested by Heritage. However Heritage offered the player $500 free money to show them the outcome he claims in his hand history but he declined to share his acct ID.

    It seems LordVodka had a bad run and wants to blame it on the game but considering the above it's unlikely he actually had the hands similar to what he claimed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR Forum View Post
    Heritage told us that they tried to contact poster LordVodka to review his claim but he declined to discuss...Not much more that we can ask from CS. Players can also contact SBR with feedback or complaints.

    Heritage uses casino software from a third party, they have no control of the game outcomes. It's software that is used elsewhere and tested by Heritage. However Heritage offered the player $500 free money to show them the outcome he claims in his hand history but he declined to share his acct ID.

    It seems LordVodka had a bad run and wants to blame it on the game but considering the above it's unlikely he actually had the hands similar to what he claimed.
    Sorry but if what he says is true the dealer getting 45 out of 55 being 20s is more then just a bad run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captrobey View Post
    Sorry but if what he says is true the dealer getting 45 out of 55 being 20s is more then just a bad run.
    He claims but doesn't want to show proof? Give me a break, bookies can be dirty, but maniacs like LordVodka are easy to detect. I decide to claim that I have been dealt 21 black jack in a row. wouhouu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDonger View Post
    He claims but doesn't want to show proof? Give me a break, bookies can be dirty, but maniacs like LordVodka are easy to detect. I decide to claim that I have been dealt 21 black jack in a row. wouhouu.
    I agree that is if he was dealt them. I know SBR BJ dealer had 20/21 on 16 out of 30 hands . I did put that after i copied it. I think you are lying about the 21 BJ in a row. I would have believed 20 but 21 No way .

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    I'm no maniac folks but I am done with Heritage so I don't care anymore. Overrated book for everything. The other day I went to request a payout and it said no, they only do payouts weekdays. Tell me, do they accept deposits at any time? Yes. The same should be done for payouts.

    5dimes is the best and always will be the best book.

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