[mojobullfrog]

Peter & Graeme - it's definitely not over yet!

Guys, keep checking back in. There are still avenues to explore.

Shari - can you please check your PMs?

[GuybrushT]

Peter & Graeme - it's definitely not over yet!

Guys, keep checking back in. There are still avenues to explore.

Shari - can you please check your PMs?

Hey, do they owe you to? I cannot find you on that list Shari made on this thread.

[simply]

I think mojobullfrog is also involved here. I still believe that bastards can't walk around free, although they stole millions from people. It seems that is pretty ok for ACIC's lead investigator , but I just wonder what he would think if canbet stole his money.

[GuybrushT]

I think mojobullfrog is also involved here. I still believe that bastards can't walk around free, although they stole millions from people. It seems that is pretty ok for ACIC's lead investigator , but I just wonder what he would think if canbet stole his money.

That's why we need a good lawyer. Especially if he agrees to get a percentage of the money we want back. He will fight to win the case. On the other hand, the ASIC investigator doesn't care. As most of people in this kind of organisations.

[GuybrushT]

I've read that in Australia around around 38% of the cases where the lift of corporate veil was asked (so that company owners must cover what their own with their OWN MONEY, and cannot hide behind their limited responsibility of the company) succeeded, in the UK around 47%. We just must prove a fraud. And we have the proofs. As I read, just the fact they incentivated new deposits (offering the 100% bonuses), when already unable to cover all the payout requests, if FRAUD! Plus the "technical problems" lies, the probable false proofs of liquidity given to gambling commission, and so on...that's all fraud that can be proved. And needed to lift/pierce the corporate veil.

People please don't lose the hope and give up. I don't say it's an easy fight, but we can win it. And don't demotivate when some users on this thread say there is no chance. Are you 100% sure those are not Peter or Graeme, with the intention to demotivate us and make us give up?

[paybk99]

Hi guys i am in. just went through the thread and deeply said for the biased ASIC report. now the only way is to do a criminal or civil case against the directors. lets find a lawyer. there are about 300 people in this thread who woes. if we can submit $100 each that it makes $30000 to pay the lawyer in advance. let me know when i've to pay. My friend is in Melbourne he will pay same day to Shari. Dont let that beggars go.

[GuybrushT]

Hi guys i am in. just went through the thread and deeply said for the biased ASIC report. now the only way is to do a criminal or civil case against the directors. lets find a lawyer. there are about 300 people in this thread who woes. if we can submit $100 each that it makes $30000 to pay the lawyer in advance. let me know when i've to pay. My friend is in Melbourne he will pay same day to Shari. Dont let that beggars go.

We must see if Shari is still willing to help. Seeing her last posts here, not sure he is still in. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Anyway, she has done so much until now, so she has our gratitude anyway. No matter she continues with her help or not. Hopefully she will.

[paybk99]

hi plz ignore it

[paybk99]

plz ignore it

[Uruguay]

I just want to say tht I am interested in participating in a collective action

[Krashman]

if we can submit $100 each that it makes $30000 to pay the lawyer in advance. let me know when i've to pay. .

Should be based on a percentage of what you are owed. Maybe 5% to 10% of whatever you are owed by Canbet.

Why should somebody owed $300 pay $100 to participate and somebody owed $10000 pays the same? Who benefits more if we win? Higher reward requires higher risk.

Also anyone outside of the UK or Australia (wherever the lawsuit is filed) should think twice because it's doubtful any rulings and payment would apply to us.

The ASIC investigation seemed to have that implication as well but doesn't matter now.

[GuybrushT]

Should be based on a percentage of what you are owed. Maybe 5% to 10% of whatever you are owed by Canbet.

Why should somebody owed $300 pay $100 to participate and somebody owed $10000 pays the same? Who benefits more if we win? Higher reward requires higher risk.

This is ok only if we can get a deal to pay that % IF we win the case. Hopefully there are lawyers that would accept that (if they have big hopes the case would be won). But not in advance. Most users with big money owed by Canbet would probably refuse to pay a bigger amount just to have a chance to maybe get their money back. Let's say you are owed $30.000. You would pay another $3.000 just to have a chance (that maybe is not even so high) to get your money? That's just like gambling on a roulette.

Of course with a deal "if we won, you get the 10%" people would not have problems to pay that 10%, knowing they've saved the remaining 90%.

And someone maybe would say "why I must join it and pay a big sum? I will not join, and if they win, good for me, I can sue it by myself later, because if the court ruled against Canbet once, it is a clear case when I sue them, there is a precedent in favor of me (and in that case maybe I even don't need a lawyer I would pay, it's a case already won by me because of that precedent). And if the collective action is lost, at least I've not lost the money given to the lawyer, as people in that collective action had".

A solution would even something between the 2. Some smaller fixed fee payed equally by everyone (let's say $50), so the lawyer gets something no matter how it ends, and a promised % if he wins (so that is not paid equally, and that's ok, because not everyone got the same money back). In that case we would be sure we got a lawyer that thinks he can win. A lawyer paid in advance can be useful as ASIC was (he has no financial gain of wining the case, so he will not give all he can to win it).

Of course a lawyer working "pro bono" would be perfect (something like Erin Brokovich). So no fee if he loses, a percentage if he wins. But this will be hard to find, eventually a freshmen would accept (a student that recently finished law study), just to try making a name in the law world, but of course, that kind of lawyer (without experience) is risky for us.

Also anyone outside of the UK or Australia (wherever the lawsuit is filed) should think twice because it's doubtful any rulings and payment would apply to us.

So if someone steal my money outside of my country, I have no hope to get it back? But when I send my money to him (deposit), that's fine for that country? Doesn't sound fair at all. :/

[mojobullfrog]

I wasn't a Canbet customer but consulted for these jokers at their Melbourne office well before iGas crumbled. I started warning customers and the UK Gambling Commission about what was going on about a year ago. Peter & Graeme even got their law firm on to me, to try to shut me up.

I have been in regular contact with Shari for the past few months, and the plan was to wait until ASIC had concluded their investigation. I am going to reconnect with the ABC journalist who ran the story in March/April. I believe the latest developments with ASIC will be of public interest, especially since there has been a number of other stories lately regarding ASIC's apparent inneptitude.

Instigating a civil case is going to be incredibly difficult with so many customers based in so many different jurisdictions. At this stage I believe we need to find out why ASIC has ceased further investigation and go from there. This is what I intend to do.

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Thanks guys.

[onemoregoal]

that was a waste of 43 pages, ure not getting paid..... never were... sorry

[GuybrushT]

that was a waste of 43 pages, ure not getting paid..... never were... sorry

Thank you for your opinion. Now let us continue the discussion.

Kind regards,
Guy

[mojobullfrog]

that was a waste of 43 pages, ure not getting paid..... never were... sorry

Indeed, perhaps they won't get paid... but trying to make those directors accountable for their actions isn't such a bad intention. But thanks for your peerless insight!

[onemoregoal]

like gambling, you have to asses the risk against the time/money you are going to invest.
you guys invested a lot, im sorry it didnt get you anywhere but from the outside - it seemed inevitable.
still a chance, always is

[samuelson]

How can I find the address of Peter Lord or Graeme? Or direct email? My £10,000 owed was all from football betting and no casino bonus involved. I will not just accept them to steal this money. I will go to their homes or other businesses they have and get what's mine in any way I have to. Pls post details to these crooks.

[GuybrushT]

How can I find the address of Peter Lord or Graeme? Or direct email? My £10,000 owed was all from football betting and no casino bonus involved. I will not just accept them to steal this money. I will go to their homes or other businesses they have and get what's mine in any way I have to. Pls post details to these crooks.

Doesn't matter if that is casino, poker, sports, bonus or no bonus money. Thieves doesn't care from where the money they steal comes...

[onemoregoal]

i was looking for a new asian book that offers some soccer leagues, stumbled across this, lol -

[samuelson]

Doesn't matter if that is casino, poker, sports, bonus or no bonus money. Thieves doesn't care from where the money they steal comes...

Yes but I noticed canbet referred to bonus issues in the problem with payments. The amount I am owed is enough to pursue Peter lord at his home or work and collect what I am owed and will not stop until I get it and will go to any length. Anyone know this guys home address or new workplace?

[GuybrushT]

Yes but I noticed canbet referred to bonus issues in the problem with payments.

Those were only lies to get time. They never had the intention to pay us, they had only one plan...get rich with our money. For now their mission is accomplished.

The amount I am owed is enough to pursue Peter lord at his home or work and collect what I am owed and will not stop until I get it and will go to any length.

I know how you feel pal. If you look the list on page 25, they owe me the same amount us they owe to you. You and me are unfortunately record holders on that list. I don't know for you, but they have stolen years and years oh hard work from me. With a wife and 4 kids under my roof, is hard for me to accept that. I was incredibly stupid to put most of my money on a single bookmaker.

Anyone know this guys home address or new workplace?

Probably they are hidden somewhere in the middle of Australia, living with the Aborigines. With so many people with desire to strangle them, is unsafe for them to be still in public.

[CPGagie]

Peter and Grahame, you can't hide forever, and constantly looking over your shoulder is no way to live. I wouldn't enjoy it anyway.

I'm in Australia now, but travel quite a bit. I'm sure I'll run into one of you guys at some point. When we do cross paths, I certainly hope you'll join me and some of the lads for a friendly picnic in the Countryside.

No hard feelings. God bless.

[GuybrushT]

Peter and Grahame, you can't hide forever, and constantly looking over your shoulder is no way to live. I wouldn't enjoy it anyway.

I'm in Australia now, but travel quite a bit. I'm sure I'll run into one of you guys at some point. When we do cross paths, I certainly hope you'll join me and some of the lads for a friendly picnic in the Countryside.

No hard feelings. God bless.

We are all angry right now, and wrote things like this. But the sad thing is that will happen sooner or later. For example I'm a pacific person, but after all the sleepless nights last months, and with all my money on their personal accounts...well, I'm not sure I would be so pacific if I run in those 2 bastards.

And imagine if someone non pacific as me encounter them...

[CPGagie]

I won't harm them in the slightest, it's not my thing.

I wouldn't be either of them for 10X the money they've ripped off though, of that I'm certain. I enjoy life far too much, and the constant fear of becoming shark food etc, would have me a nervous wreck. No thanks.

I know 10K is a hefty whack to some, but calm down. You'll get way beyond that again as you obviously know what you doing punting. It's just a matter of time, thats all.

[simply]

I am also over 10k owed. If mojobullfrog, shari or some other Aussie will be able to sue fraudsters I will donate what is necessary. Whatever will be outcome of this case, I wish all the worst to bastards in rest of their (hopefully very short) lives.

[GuybrushT]

BTW, the bastards obviously hide between their limited responsibility policy, and ASIC is good with that. Ok, let's say it really happened that way (we know it isn't, but just in theory):


-Canbet has lost all the money (their and ours) in good faith (wrong investments for example). In that case the owners cannot be responsible with their private money. There were no fraud, no bad intentions, just bad luck.
-Canbet sent us a mail in February saying they are doing everything they can trying to collect the money needed to pay us. Let's say that was true (in theory of course).
-ASIC buys that lies and say it is all ok.


Ok, in that case, WHERE is an official statement from Canbet? Their last statement is that mail from February saying they are working on it. I think that someone that is RELLAY working on that, after 5 months will or:
-Give us un update how is going
-Give an official statement that it cannot collect the needed money, that they are sorry things ended that way and blah blah blah


But no, they've disappeared from the earth, with no hope they will let us know anything. And that is ok for ASIC, nothing strange there? Usually when someone bankrupts, their clients, shareholders, and other owed people are informed. But no, in this case they don't care to let us know anything, and for ASIC everything is ok?!

[samuelson]

Their day will come soon. Let's be honest the things you can pay someone £2500 to do is nothing on the £10,000 the stole from me.

[GuybrushT]

Their day will come soon. Let's be honest the things you can pay someone £2500 to do is nothing on the £10,000 the stole from me.

You mean pay someone to torture those bastards?

[gianted]

Isn't Gambling Commission the real guilty here?

No board of inquiry or similar? no TV reports about their fiasco?

[GuybrushT]

Isn't Gambling Commission the real guilty here?

No board of inquiry or similar? no TV reports about their fiasco?

In my case they are the main factor. I've joined Canbet when payment problems were already in progress. Why? Because the GC assured us everything is ok. I know, I was stupid, I believe people too much

Without those GC "guarantees" Canbet would owe me 0 EUR now, not 12k+ EUR, because I would not join at all.

[eddie701]

Can somebody tell me, have they dissolved the company.

[eddie701]

11. How and why can they object? to deregister the company.

Objections or complaints must be in writing and sent to the registrar with any supporting evidence, such as copies of invoices that may prove the company is trading. Reasons could include:

• if the company has broken any of the conditions of its application for example, it has traded, changed its name or become subject to insolvency proceedings during the three-month period before the application, or afterwards
• if the directors have not informed interested parties
• if any of the declarations on the form are false
• if some form of action is being taken, or is pending, to recover any money owed (such as a winding-up petition or action in a small claims court) <-----------------------------------------------------
• if other legal action is being taken against the company
• if the directors have wrongfully traded or committed a tax fraud or some other offence

A full list of conditions can be found in sections 1004 and 1005 of the Companies Act 2

[GuybrushT]

11. How and why can they object? to deregister the company.

Objections or complaints must be in writing and sent to the registrar with any supporting evidence, such as copies of invoices that may prove the company is trading. Reasons could include:

• if the company has broken any of the conditions of its application for example, it has traded, changed its name or become subject to insolvency proceedings during the three-month period before the application, or afterwards
• if the directors have not informed interested parties
• if any of the declarations on the form are false
• if some form of action is being taken, or is pending, to recover any money owed (such as a winding-up petition or action in a small claims court) <-----------------------------------------------------
• if other legal action is being taken against the company
• if the directors have wrongfully traded or committed a tax fraud or some other offence

A full list of conditions can be found in sections 1004 and 1005 of the Companies Act 2

I'm not sure if for us is important if they are dissolved or not. It looks our only hope is a civil action against Lord and White, no hope with Canbet.

[eddie701]

Is there anyone in or around London, who would be willing to take the helm. It would take a lot of work.
Solicitors would need to be contacted and shown the relative information. If the solicitors think we have a case, than we have to work out between us a way to pay them.
First thing is to have Canbet, re-registered as a company. Once they have even a small court claims against them, they can be re-registered as a company.
Then Canbet is open for investigation. But its all up to the solicitors, which path we take.
I would take it on but as I live in Ireland, it would be impossible.
We need a Shari in or around London.