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    WagerWeb's Rollover question

    Not trying to bash on them but I'm a little confused.
    I've made another deposit over the weekend for $200 with a 100% Bonus.
    The bonus requires me to meet a 15x rollover.

    I somehow had a extraordinary weekend and turned my balance to $3200. I hit 2 parlays off of freeplay bets netting me $1100.

    My question is this, do I have to meet a rollover for the $400 (deposit + bonus) or the $400 + free play winnings?
    because a $6000 rollover requirement is a big difference than $22,000 requirement. I tried making a payout today for $800 and was told I had a $22,000 rollover requirement

    If this stands true and a common policy, I guess i have no choice. I finally had a winning week and I don't want to get the short end of the stick (runaround).

    I heard Wagerweb was a decent book especially since they took over legends.

    Any light shed would be greatly appreciated.

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    Some do it on winnings, but most Reputable books calculate it: deposit + bonus x rollover. Also, with parlays most only count risk amount toward rollover so you might still have ways to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito97 View Post
    I use WW as well since being thrown there by legends and question just how decent a book they are. The 100% bonus requires a 15x rollover on the deposit + bonus. In your case your rollover on $400 should be $6000, not $22,000. The free play winnings have nothing to do with it and if that's what they are telling you, they are full of ****. They probably took a beating over the weekend.
    Thanks for your info, now i'm worried. Can someone else confirm Bandito's post? If this is true, what are my options? Shit outta luck? I've made over 8+ deposits to WW ever since they took over legends. First time "payout request" and I'm worried.

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    If u won more money on your freeplay winnings most places will add that to the rollover also. Im not 100% sure but they might have that policy, thats why when i get freeplays I try to not win so much more than my deposit amount because it has happened before where i have to get hit with thousands more in rollover. I mean u win a few big dogs on a fresh deposit even only $500 more makes u do $5000 more in rollover on a 10x roll but they have 15x so your gonna do more since u won more. Check the freeplay rules on the site.

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    I'm looking on the site and they seem to have some rules for freeplays. Just go to chat or call them and ask them if u have freeplay winnings more than what was givin does it get added on to your total rollover?
    Let me ask u how much more freeplay winnings did u actually win, compared to your deposit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legions36 View Post
    I'm looking on the site and they seem to have some rules for freeplays. Just go to chat or call them and ask them if u have freeplay winnings more than what was givin does it get added on to your total rollover?
    Let me ask u how much more freeplay winnings did u actually win, compared to your deposit?
    I had a $100 3 team parlay to win me $500 and change. And a $50 4 team parlay also $500 in change. I deposited $200, so thats like a $800 difference?

    I'll deal with the rollover as long as its their policy. Just did'nt want to get some Bull$hit on rollover which will turn into some more bull$hit once I reached the requirement (if i do meet it).

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    Let me update as this was not the case when I first switched from Legends to WW or that's not how it was explained to me. Just spoke with live chat as guest looking to open acct and here goes:

    Guest (12:49:16) : Hi Looking to open an account but wanted to ask a few questions regarding bonus and rollover
    jim (12:44:11) : gREAT, PLEASE GO AHEAD WITH YOUR QUESTIONS...
    Guest (12:50:35) : If i was to claim the 100% bonus when depositing is it a 15 x rollover for deposit plus bonus?
    jim (12:45:32) : Rollover is calculated by adding the deposit amount and the bonus amount then multiplying by the rollover. Something like $100 deposit + $100 bonus x 15 = $3000 in total rollover before you can take a payout using those figures for example.
    jim (12:46:01) : The volume is generated on every wager win or lose, you take the lowest amount in between the risk and win amount and that lowest amount will add towards your rollover volume. However when you win back more than the free play amount at risk then the rollover turns in to bonus winnings "$200" plus deposit "$100" multiplied by the rollover (15)= $4.500 new rollover required before cash out.
    Guest (12:53:18) : so if i had 100 in freeplay, bet it and won 200, then the 200 gets added to original deposit and bonus?
    jim (12:48:29) : the $200 winnings will add to rollover volume
    jim (12:48:45) : so it will go higher than the original $3k
    jim (12:49:04) : best to win back the same amount with the free play


    There you have it, apologize for misinformation. So if the freeplay winnings are more than freeplay bonus, the winnings get added to original deposit and thats the new rollover requirement amount x15.

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    Thanks for all the help. I will keep everyone posted. Hopefully its a good outcome!

    Thanks again all

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    it's unfair if you ask me. It should either be flat on the deposit+bonus (like DSI) or it should be based off the winnings only.

    So if you lose all the freeplays, that part of the rollover should be wiped out

    Instead, they make it minimum 15x deposit+bonus, and there is no max. If you hit a parlay with the freeplay you might never meet rollover.

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    OP from what u r saying if they add the extra rollover on freeplay winnings than it should look like this. 200+1000x15=$18,000. That should be your rollover and that it the standard of how places run with them, some places like DSI and others don't have that policy implemented but from my experience most places do. I do think u should call them and just find out exactly where they came up with those #'s.

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    I just read the rules from Kabbee's link and they have it clearly stated:
    The rollover will count as follows: (Amount deposited + Bonus) Times the Rollover unless the winnings of the Bonus are higher than the bonus itself, it will be: (Amount deposited + Winnings of the bonus) Times the Rollover.

    Sorry bro u gotta do the rollover, they aren't trying anything with u. But just ask them how they came up with the 22k because i counted 18k in rollover.

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    His deposit was 200

    the winnings off the freeplay were 1100.

    The way I understand it, it should be 1300*15=19,500 rollover

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legions36 View Post
    I just read the rules from Kabbee's link and they have it clearly stated:
    The rollover will count as follows: (Amount deposited + Bonus) Times the Rollover unless the winnings of the Bonus are higher than the bonus itself, it will be: (Amount deposited + Winnings of the bonus) Times the Rollover.

    Sorry bro u gotta do the rollover, they aren't trying anything with u. But just ask them how they came up with the 22k because i counted 18k in rollover.
    He has to do it cause its in the rules. But hopefully everyone learns from it what WagerWeb screws you over, and that a 100% bonus there is not equal to 100% bonus at most other shops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yisman View Post
    His deposit was 200

    the winnings off the freeplay were 1100.

    The way I understand it, it should be 1300*15=19,500 rollover
    it seems wagerweb is doing $200 deposit plus $200 freeplay bonus plus $1100 freeplay winnings. that is $1500 x 15 = $22,500.

    i

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    Quote Originally Posted by pologq View Post
    it seems wagerweb is doing $200 deposit plus $200 freeplay bonus plus $1100 freeplay winnings. that is $1500 x 15 = $22,500.

    i
    per their rules, this is not the case.

    It's either 200+200 or 200+winnings, whichever is greater. If the winnings are 300, it's 200+300, not 200+200+300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yisman View Post
    per their rules, this is not the case.

    It's either 200+200 or 200+winnings, whichever is greater. If the winnings are 300, it's 200+300, not 200+200+300.
    i agree with you, he should question them because that is what they are doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by tto827 View Post
    He has to do it cause its in the rules. But hopefully everyone learns from it what WagerWeb screws you over, and that a 100% bonus there is not equal to 100% bonus at most other shops.
    I wouldn't say they are screwing him in any way because it's in the rules and almost every other shop does this with free plays as well. Only a few that I know don't use this rule for free plays, that's why people need to be careful when parlaying free plays because u can get hit with a hefty extra rollover. This has happened to me more than enough on 100% bonuses.

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    ive gotten screwed on 100% bonuses in the past, gotta read all the terms and conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legions36 View Post
    I wouldn't say they are screwing him in any way because it's in the rules and almost every other shop does this with free plays as well. Only a few that I know don't use this rule for free plays, that's why people need to be careful when parlaying free plays because u can get hit with a hefty extra rollover. This has happened to me more than enough on 100% bonuses.
    Screwing over was probably the wrong term. But, with DSI giving players multiple chances at the 100% sportsbook bonus on only deposit + freeplay (nothing with freeplay winnings), this 100% offer from wagerweb is far worse. It's perfectly fine to make him roll it cause its in the rules, I just wouldn't play at a shop with those rules (at least solely for the bonuses)

    I personally use the bonus for longshot parlays, and have the Bengals tonight -6 to close one off to win $650 at DSI, I'm just glad I won't have to roll it over if it wins.

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    Thank you all for your responses, I confirmed with them. It is in fact, the deposit amt + winnings x 15x rollover. I'll keep you all posted on the long process... GL ALL!

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    On another note, just curious.... I know you're not allowed to play both sides to meet your rollover requirements. Like betting both OVER and UNDER in the same game. But does that apply to MLB when you do ML and RL. For instance : Team A on the moneyline, and TEAM B on the runline? Is that against the rules?

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    Pretty sure that's not against the rules.

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    not rolling over anything tonight - website down

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    you win in parlay is 1,100 more or less, then you deposit 200 and 200 bonus, the computation will be parlay winnings x 15 and deposit and bonus x 15, 16,000 for the parlay winnings and 6,000 for the deposit. they are right 16,000+ 6000= 22,000. goodluck for your requirements.

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    Yep, thanks all. They confirmed that my requirement is $20,000 and change. Already @ $17,000!!! Wish me luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodluck View Post
    Yep, thanks all. They confirmed that my requirement is $20,000 and change. Already @ $17,000!!! Wish me luck
    No pun intended



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    Quote Originally Posted by robmpink View Post
    No pun intended


    haha, i'm definitely taking that video and apply it to my posts..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodluck View Post
    Yep, thanks all. They confirmed that my requirement is $20,000 and change. Already @ $17,000!!! Wish me luck
    wish you luck... dont forget my lucky chips ha when you finished the requirements and dont bet parlay...

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    Don't take a bonus. Not worth it. Better yet, don't play at crap book WagerWeb. If they ever allow you to take your money out (many of us were in jail there after Legends fiasco) be prepared to wait literally months for a check or pay 10-15 percent on your low-limit @@ withdraw. Poor customer service too. Cant understand the CS reps, live chat never works, they cant take a deposit after 8 pm and you have to wait until 10 am eastern to deposit. Plus, lines are up much, much later than any other book I've ever played at and they have crap lines. Other than those things, great book. Good luck.

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